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Wow, thank you all for your nice responses, I didn't expect getting that bunch of help, specially BigAlzBub responses help me a lot with the missions playthrough...

I explore other missions/tasks and got stuck in some of them...

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ps: Reiterated thanks to Craudiao and Qahlz, both were very helpful,I have no words to thank you as the same way you both help me on this, and of course special thanks to BigAlzBub (again) for your accurately responses.
 
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Craudiao

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First, many things don't have just one way to achieve them, so don't treat what I write as the only solution, it's just what I know...
Second, most of your doubts involve Sammy being "fluent" in sex.
So get ready to see your Sammy being used and abused if you want to see the development of much of this...

Below I have put the answers along with the questions to make it easier.

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Wow, thank you all for your nice responses, I didn't expect getting that bunch of help, specially BigAlzBub response help me a lot with the missions...

I explore other missions/tasks and got stuck in some of them...

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ps: Reiterated thanks to Craudiao and Qahlz, both were very helpful,I have no words to thank you as the same way you both help me on this
Here are a few more answers

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Wow, thank you all for your nice responses, I didn't expect getting that bunch of help, specially BigAlzBub responses help me a lot with the missions playthrough...

I explore other missions/tasks and got stuck in some of them...

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ps: Reiterated thanks to Craudiao and Qahlz, both were very helpful,I have no words to thank you as the same way you both help me on this, and of course special thanks to BigAlzBub (again) for your accurately responses.
Glad to see someone else asking about number 10. I thought I was crazy and just imagined seeing the Pub gloryhole events with the other barmaids (Trixie and Dani) while playing the older versions months ago. Then I read an old devlog post mentioning both Trixie and Dani being able to get involved when Sam "works the hole".

Thing is, I've been trying to trigger them in the current version and no matter how much time I've spent trying, I haven't been able to trigger them. Not sure what the requirements are, as I've got Dani 100% relationship and working in the pub; but the events just don't show up, even after (in-game) weeks of trying.

Maybe the new updates broke the triggers for it, or maybe it has some hidden stat/perk requirements that I'm unaware of. If anybody solves this one, I'll be curious to read how to get it to happen.
A lot of things in this game feel a bit wobbly with how "random but not random" the various events and triggers are. For instance, on one character/run I've been able to get Dani to ask Sam to watch while she has that post-dance event meeting with a fan; but on my current character, despite having good relationship with Dani she just...doesn't. I can't imagine what the requirement is for that one either.
 

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A lot of things in this game feel a bit wobbly with how "random but not random" the various events and triggers are. For instance, on one character/run I've been able to get Dani to ask Sam to watch while she has that post-dance event meeting with a fan; but on my current character, despite having good relationship with Dani she just...doesn't. I can't imagine what the requirement is for that one either.
Pretty sure that one depends on how much Sammy has been slutting things up. I mean, Dani is hardly going to ask some church-going virgin to keep watch while she goes whoring, no matter how friendly they are. I do not know whether is it locked behind one or both of the Slut/Whore perks, or just a soft check to see if Sammy has been around the block a few times.

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And again, and on a general note, I feel obliged to stress how much these things are part of the game's DNA.

This is not a list of quests to check off. This is not a game that holds your hand every step of the way. This is not a game where you can expect to see every bit of content in a single playthrough.

What it is is a game that expects you to – and rewards you for – trying things. A game where playing differently means that different things will happen. Or not happen. And yes, it is a game that at times does not explain itself clearly, or at all. Much like life.

Now the good news, as mentioned a few days ago, is that an official guide/walkthrough/whatever is in production, and will be bundled with the game once ready. And some things will be tightened up and explained better in-game as development progresses.

And for those who don't want to figure things out by trying different things, and don't want to read a guide when the game fails to hold their hand tightly enough? For those there are literally thousands of other games out there that will do just that. We do not all have to enjoy the same thing.
 
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Pretty sure that one depends on how much Sammy has been slutting things up. I mean, Dani is hardly going to ask some church-going virgin to keep watch while she goes whoring, no matter how friendly they are. I do not know whether is it locked behind one or both of the Slut/Whore perks, or just a soft check to see if Sammy has been around the block a few times.

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And again, and on a general note, I feel obliged to stress how much these things are part of the game's DNA.

This is not a list of quests to check off. This is not a game that holds your hand every step of the way. This is not a game where you can expect to see every bit of content in a single playthrough.

What it is is a game that expects you to – and rewards you for – trying things. A game where playing differently means that different things will happen. Or not happen. And yes, it is a game that at times does not explain itself clearly, or at all. Much like life.

Now the good news, as mentioned a few days ago, is that an official guide/walkthrough/whatever is in production, and will be bundled with the game once ready. And some things will be tightened up and explained better in-game as development progresses.

And for those who don't want to figure things out by trying different things, and don't want to read a guide when the game fails to hold their hand tightly enough? For those there are literally thousands of other games out there that will do just that. We do not all have to enjoy the same thing.
Wasn't criticising the game as a whole/concept or saying I didn't enjoy it; on the contrary I've spent quite a bit of time experimenting and trying different things on different playthroughs.

What I meant is that what exactly triggers certain things/events/behaviours feels very nebulous at times. That can be frustrating when trying to get a specific result or route - especially when I know for a fact it exists. Most interactions in the game are passive and based on weighted random chance with hidden checks - meaning a lot of time can be spent just "hanging out" waiting for things to maybe happen. A lot is out of player's control, aside from trying to "lean" a certain way during a playthrough. It causes a fair bit of confusion what triggers things like I mentioned above: I think my playthrough has all the requirements for something to happen, I try to create situations where it can happen, many times and it just...doesn't. At that point I start wondering what is the hidden check, is the trigger broken or have I "soft-locked" myself out of that content without knowing.

I think the randomness is both one of the game's biggest strength and weakness, oddly enough. Being surprised with how things turn out is nice and feels organic, but having not a whole lot of agency in getting to them isn't. Most of the time you're just a spectator in how it plays out. It can even end up feeling "grindy" to try and get a certain result because it often ends up being a case of "talk to X character over and over until they feel like initiating an event-tied dialogue" or "repeat action until randomly you get a special variation on it". After having seen almost everything the game has to offer for now, I'm simply tring to get those special variations to show up.

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While we're talking, since you're working on a walktrhough. Do YOU know what's required to get Trixie/Dani scenes in the Pub with working the gloryhole? The old Patreon post says: "There are quite a few variations of this image where Dani joins you, Trixie joins or a guy joins. It's even possible for 4 of you to all be jammed in there at the same time while the guy switches between Sammy and Dani with Trixie massaging his balls."

I simply haven't been able to trigger any of those scenes, despite having Dani working there and "grinding" at the hole for weeks.
 
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Wasn't criticising the game as a whole/concept or saying I didn't enjoy it; on the contrary I've spent quite a bit of time experimenting and trying different things on different playthroughs.
Oh, no, I did not take it as such. It was a general note directed at the content (and tone) of some of the posts over the past couple of days or three. [Some of which would likely trigger another complete meltdown if replied to, so it is better to put those thoughts down next to a more level head…]

Most of the time you're just a spectator in how it plays out.
This is also by design. This is Sammy's story, not your story. You get to nudge and direct her to some extent, but you are never in control.

While we're talking, since you're working on a walktrhough. Do YOU know what's required to get Trixie/Dani scenes in the Pub with working the gloryhole? The old Patreon post says: "There are quite a few variations of this image where Dani joins you, Trixie joins or a guy joins. It's even possible for 4 of you to all be jammed in there at the same time while the guy switches between Sammy and Dani with Trixie massaging his balls."

I simply haven't been able to trigger any of those scenes, despite having Dani working there and "grinding" at the hole for weeks.
I am not writing any such thing. Sam, the dev, is. All that I know is that an early version is expected Soon™.

And, no, other than the two obvious answers (1. You have to make a gloryhole before there can be gloryhole events. 2. RNG), I do not know the triggers. I have seen the images in question, but whether that was in the game or in some post I cannot remember. I have never actively looked, and not been invested enough to passively make much note either.

The only thing that occurs to me to be worth trying is that – unless memory fails me – there are two different methods of working the hole. Either through the work-the-bar dialog, or by just walking into the toilets. It might be that it is only available through one of those.

The other option is that it actually is not in the game yet, and we both just remember seeing the pictures posted and talked about. In that case the only solution is to wait for the Dani update. Or Oskar update, as is its official name:


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While we're talking, since you're working on a walktrhough. Do YOU know what's required to get Trixie/Dani scenes in the Pub with working the gloryhole? The old Patreon post says: "There are quite a few variations of this image where Dani joins you, Trixie joins or a guy joins. It's even possible for 4 of you to all be jammed in there at the same time while the guy switches between Sammy and Dani with Trixie massaging his balls."
I don't think this is in the game yet. Latest post on that topic from 2024-01-21 says
And if you remember from a loooong time ago, I already drew Dani and Trixie gloryhole scenes. So we should see them added in at some point soon.
I have searched the changelogs (as those are usually the definitive record of what made it into the game), and none of them mention these scenes actually being added.
 

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Glad to see someone else asking about number 10. I thought I was crazy and just imagined seeing the Pub gloryhole events with the other barmaids (Trixie and Dani) while playing the older versions months ago. Then I read an old devlog post mentioning both Trixie and Dani being able to get involved when Sam "works the hole".
I drew the art for these scenes, but never managed to find time to actually write them. Possibly this update since I am expanding the dance girls.

A lot of things in this game feel a bit wobbly with how "random but not random" the various events and triggers are. For instance, on one character/run I've been able to get Dani to ask Sam to watch while she has that post-dance event meeting with a fan; but on my current character, despite having good relationship with Dani she just...doesn't. I can't imagine what the requirement is for that one either.
Basically if you have slutty perks, high enough sex knowledge or pass an int check, when you see Dani going alone then Sammy will know whats going on. Then when you speak to her next time Sammy will bring it up in conversation (this is where most people fail because they cheat jump to the next event without having spoke to Dani). After the next event, Dani will ask you to wait for her while she goes with the guy.

I think the randomness is both one of the game's biggest strength and weakness, oddly enough. Being surprised with how things turn out is nice and feels organic, but having not a whole lot of agency in getting to them isn't. Most of the time you're just a spectator in how it plays out. It can even end up feeling "grindy" to try and get a certain result because it often ends up being a case of "talk to X character over and over until they feel like initiating an event-tied dialogue" or "repeat action until randomly you get a special variation on it". After having seen almost everything the game has to offer for now, I'm simply tring to get those special variations to show up.
The game is sort of designed to be played spread out. Speak to many characters and do many things. So usually events will trigger in a somewhat natural way. A fair few people though tend to focus down specific content or characters without having progressed much of the rest of the game and end up blocked from specific content. A good example is some of Robins stuff. People will focus on her but not done any bar work, spoke to soccer boys, beach or anything else. So conversations to find out more about her just doesn't come up. You can't find out Robin gets off on the idea of you being a pub whore if you don't work the pub.

A lot is out of player's control, aside from trying to "lean" a certain way during a playthrough. It causes a fair bit of confusion what triggers things like I mentioned above: I think my playthrough has all the requirements for something to happen, I try to create situations where it can happen, many times and it just...doesn't.
As pointed out while I wrote this, it's kinda by design. Sandbox games where you are in complete control ends up getting weird giving full control. One moment you are a submissive sex slave, the next you are murdering criminals with chopsticks. To avoid that I gave Sammy her own will and character and keep everything in line and consistent with that. So it does mean you more play the role of the devil on Sammy's shoulder and not actual Sammy. Think of her more like a Tamagotchi. Keep her happy and she will do what you say. Upset her and she will tantrum.
 

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Basically if you have slutty perks, high enough sex knowledge or pass an int check, when you see Dani going alone then Sammy will know whats going on. Then when you speak to her next time Sammy will bring it up in conversation (this is where most people fail because they cheat jump to the next event without having spoke to Dani). After the next event, Dani will ask you to wait for her while she goes with the guy.
One thing that might help here would be some kind of indicator that new dialogue is available for a character - maybe something like an exclamation mark on the chat button.
Granted, it won't help if people just progress to the next event via cheats, but it will help if the player just doesn't talk to Dani anymore because they assume they've seen all of her dialogue.
 

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One thing that might help here would be some kind of indicator that new dialogue is available for a character - maybe something like an exclamation mark on the chat button.
Granted, it won't help if people just progress to the next event via cheats, but it will help if the player just doesn't talk to Dani anymore because they assume they've seen all of her dialogue.
That kinda sorta already exists though. Everyone you can talk to has a bunch of standard dialogs they return to. Once you see a couple of those in a row, it is a good indication to do something else for a bit.

Sure, not as clear as a marker, but how would Sammy know they have something new to say without talking to them? And these are supposed to be her friends and classmates and such. Shooting the shit for a bit without it being a booping quest every time should just be a part of daily life, no?
 

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I'm seeking advice and I'd really appreciate your inputs, I read someone posted that they don't have the undressing bug because they started on a fresh save. My save is really old but i only used it in stable builds so I'm thinking of starting a new game because i really can't put up with it (yes it's that annoying) and i don't know if a fix will come since the dev has already moved on to working on next update. The problem is I don't want to start from scratch and then many updates later my save becomes obsolete and full of problems just like what's happening to me now.
Do I risk it and start over or just wait maybe for a fix or till the game is finished to go back to the start?
 

HDussen

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I'm seeking advice and I'd really appreciate your inputs, I read someone posted that they don't have the undressing bug because they started on a fresh save. My save is really old but i only used it in stable builds so I'm thinking of starting a new game because i really can't put up with it (yes it's that annoying) and i don't know if a fix will come since the dev has already moved on to working on next update. The problem is I don't want to start from scratch and then many updates later my save becomes obsolete and full of problems just like what's happening to me now.
Do I risk it and start over or just wait maybe for a fix or till the game is finished to go back to the start?
I just start a new game whenever there is a new update. There are games where I am attached to a particular save and want to keep it, but this is not one of them. But that's me.

There is another option you may want to consider: Start a new save, but hang on to the old one in case there is a fix. Efforts are being made to keep saves compatible between public versions, and, as far as I know, nothing has been declared stable yet. The previous one went to 04 before it was called stable, and I believe that was considered a bug-light release. So I would not be surprised to see more work on the public before the next test cycle starts in earnest.
 

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I just start a new game whenever there is a new update. There are games where I am attached to a particular save and want to keep it, but this is not one of them. But that's me.

There is another option you may want to consider: Start a new save, but hang on to the old one in case there is a fix. Efforts are being made to keep saves compatible between public versions, and, as far as I know, nothing has been declared stable yet. The previous one went to 04 before it was called stable, and I believe that was considered a bug-light release. So I would not be surprised to see more work on the public before the next test cycle starts in earnest.
Thank you I think I'll do that, I just started testing with a fresh save and no more undressing bug (though it's worth to mention that i didn't pick exhibitionist perk this time so that could be a reason)
Anyway everything seems to be running smooth so far.
 
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