raven54

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That's the downside of creating games with Honey Select
It's actually PlayHome, not Honey Select. Both are released by Illusion Soft, so everything else mentioned here still applies. Also odds are that they reused code because the studio part of Illusion games look very similar.

For this game to be released as a for sale game anywhere, the graphics would have to be made royalty free through something like Daz. This means redoing every single image and video. That could have been a realistically sized task in the early days, but not anymore. Personally I would likely have opted for Daz from the start due to the ability to provide higher quality images, but then again it has been stated that PlayHome was picked because it comes with a number of spanking animations, which is a valid argument, particularly when considering the quality goal and graphic skills during the early days. It's possible Illusion Soft would have been avoided if it had been predicted what the game would have grown into today, but multi year game developments almost always end up with learning something in the early days, which turns out to not be the best choice for how it end up. It's kind of like building a house and then want major changes after all the walls have been built. Once you are far enough in what you are doing, your path has been set.

In a way talking about changing this is like the proposal somebody came with in this thread ages ago where 3D models should be used at runtime to change clothing on the fly rather than pre-render every single image. Cool idea, but not supported by Ren'py so it would mean rewriting basically all the code and possibly all the text. Again not really a realistic workload. Also I actually quite like that it uses Ren'py for text display as it does that part quite well. Some old visual novels are awful because the VN text handling engine is outdated and awful. An awful engine results in an awful experience regardless of how good the story is.

Overall the choices made for the game are good or it wouldn't be a good game (and we all know it's a good game). The issue isn't the game, but the proposed changes people show up with late into development.

... and since Illusion shut down earlier this year even the theoretical chance of getting an agreement with the holder of the rights is gone, since nobody knows who it is.
It's a valid question if the current owner of the PlayHome IP is even aware of their ownership. It's not uncommon for bankrupt companies to be sold off in pieces where each piece is a package of multiple items. Going through every single item at an auction would take ages and would likely result in less interesting stuff having no buyers. This means somebody might have bought package A without being aware that the PlayHome IP was included in that package. There are games where nobody knows who owns them. The internet claims it's company X, but when you ask that company, the answer is that they don't know and it would cost too much for their legal department to investigate since that would cost more than they would ever make selling such an old game.
 

pothb

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If it was $10 for the full game, why not.
$10 for an update, not so much.
I understand what you're getting at.. but at the same time, comparatively to the rest of the gaming space, porn games are still a niche, which usually means less money is in it. Price rise accordingly, since the demand is more than the supply, especially when it's one of quality.

I can't shell out as much as some others, so I'll pay some here and there (like upon completion or significant content), but I'm definitely grateful for the people who's willing to shell out more to keep the ball rolling.
 

telgalad

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I wonder if in version 0.15 they will fuck Ruth?
Not likely. If i had to guess that wont happen until later in the next chapter, if even then. If i recall this update wont even include an end to this chapter. The last step is the same i think which is get grades and discipline to 100.

It would be interesting to get a road map from the developer on his plans for the next year...


As for supporting the creator, ive already supported 3 times this year, cant right now with holiday's being money tight. But i really enjoy this game so I will probably support again in 2024 whenever a update is released.
 

LegendBear

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Not likely. If i had to guess that wont happen until later in the next chapter, if even then. If i recall this update wont even include an end to this chapter. The last step is the same i think which is get grades and discipline to 100.

It would be interesting to get a road map from the developer on his plans for the next year...


As for supporting the creator, ive already supported 3 times this year, cant right now with holiday's being money tight. But i really enjoy this game so I will probably support again in 2024 whenever a update is released.
There is a road map floating around. It's only focused on the girls, not on the teachers though. Lemme see if I can find it.
 
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LegendBear

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Not likely. If i had to guess that wont happen until later in the next chapter, if even then. If i recall this update wont even include an end to this chapter. The last step is the same i think which is get grades and discipline to 100.

It would be interesting to get a road map from the developer on his plans for the next year...


As for supporting the creator, ive already supported 3 times this year, cant right now with holiday's being money tight. But i really enjoy this game so I will probably support again in 2024 whenever a update is released.
Found it here. https://f95zone.to/threads/the-headmaster-mykocks-manor-altos-and-herdone.23470/post-10521980 The release numbers are off because of the delay in 0.14, but the order should be the same, just moved back one step. Zoe will be the main student antagonist and will be introduced at the end of "Part 2" and begin "Part 3" which (I think) is the final part of the story.
 

SilentType

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This thread is surprisingly quiet, is this game dying in popularity? I can sort of see why as content has decreased in size and frequency, but even smaller games have a lot of activity with a new release.
 

drea2

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This thread is surprisingly quiet, is this game dying in popularity? I can sort of see why as content has decreased in size and frequency, but even smaller games have a lot of activity with a new release.
Not when they're behind a paywal.
 

drea2

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How much would you have paid if you were an update tier patreon since the last update?

Even if you just paid once for each update or special, wouldn't the game have cost you about $200 by now?
Probably if you count beta and full releases.
But there is 15 major versions so I would say $140(initial release + 14 updates) ? but even then, this game will not be worth $20 once finished.
 

devonY7

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This thread is surprisingly quiet, is this game dying in popularity? I can sort of see why as content has decreased in size and frequency, but even smaller games have a lot of activity with a new release.
only people who follow this thread are mostly aware that an update is out . once the update is out and this game is on page 1 of latest updates i would not be surprised if this thread becomes very active .
 

Living In A Lewd World

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Probably if you count beta and full releases.
But there is 15 major versions so I would say $140(initial release + 14 updates) ? but even then, this game will not be worth $20 once finished.
This game will actually be available for free, once it is finished. And the dev makes every version available for free appr. one month after an beta-update is released. Patroning the game doesn't mean to buy it, it means to contribute to it's development and help the dev to finally finish the game.
If such a game would be available only finished for less than 20$ to buy, we would probably never see only one such complex and well written game like this, as there would be far too few people buying it for rectifying the big amount of time a developer puts in conceiving ideas, building story structure, writing, creating images, adding gamification features and putting it all together in code. This may work for an AAA-game with a millions budget and a big advertisment campaign, that's bought by millions. But probably not for a lewd game, that might be finally bought by some thousands, if at all.
 

drea2

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This game will actually be available for free, once it is finished. And the dev makes every version available for free appr. one month after an beta-update is released. Patroning the game doesn't mean to buy it, it means to contribute to it's development and help the dev to finally finish the game.
If such a game would be available only finished for less than 20$ to buy, we would probably never see only one such complex and well written game like this, as there would be far too few people buying it for rectifying the big amount of time a developer puts in conceiving ideas, building story structure, writing, creating images, adding gamification features and putting it all together in code. This may work for an AAA-game with a millions budget and a big advertisment campaign, that's bought by millions. But probably not for a lewd game, that might be finally bought by some thousands, if at all.
I think you overestimate the efforts put into this game. It's just your average Honey Select game. You may like the story, but let's be serious, it's not "well written", even for a porn game. Maybe the developpement of this game is chatotic, so the developper take a lot of time, it seems likely that is the case(hat and the recently health issues). And if the developpement takes time, it's more likely that the developper isn't a developer in the first place, and just learnt for this game (RenPy is pretty easy, it's just some Python and this games doesn't do any fancy things)
Really, aside from the "base settings", that may fit to your tasting and that's okay, this game is nothing special to any game on this website
And $20 is a big price, see Paradise Lust who is sold for $10 with live 2D renders. Or just any officially translated eroge.
 

c3p0

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I think you overestimate the efforts put into this game. It's just your average Honey Select game. You may like the story, but let's be serious, it's not "well written", even for a porn game. Maybe the developpement of this game is chatotic, so the developper take a lot of time, it seems likely that is the case(hat and the recently health issues). And if the developpement takes time, it's more likely that the developper isn't a developer in the first place, and just learnt for this game (RenPy is pretty easy, it's just some Python and this games doesn't do any fancy things)
So, I assume, you've have something to bolster your claims, eg. your own fabulous game or so?

From my expierence, even the things that looks easy often aren't easy and needed a lot of work, either cause out of 5 tries one was good or because it has 100 details that need be accounted for.

Overall, I doubt developing a game, regardless of adult or not, Ren'Py or not, is anything but easy and I don't mean easy as not anyone can do as this place shows the opposite, but in easy as in doing it without skill for some average quality in a limit amount of time.
 
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