VN Ren'Py The ideal female mc game.

[demonbra]

I've played a few different Female mc games now and they all feel basically the same.

It got me thinking.
what would the ideal/ perfect game look like with a female mc in it.

What would the perfect female mc look like and act like. etc.

I've played games like
1.the office.
2. anna.
3. kate.
and others.

One of my favourite game category was female MC. Therefore, I tested a lot of them. Like, really a lot...
Chloe, Claire's Quest, Slutcraft, ... , Good Girl Gone Bad of course, you name it. Even Violated Heroine, Legend of Krystal and stuff like that way before F95. Yeah, I'm kinda old.

Why do I tell all this ? Because from my experience playing all this I came to the conclusion that there are basically two categories of game with Female MC :
- Those who like women and enjoy the female body, get exited about them and like to see them explore their sexuality, have fun, etc.
- Those who hate women and want break them, humiliate them, turn them into sex slaves and such.
Very often MC has some kind of sacrality or be a figure of authority, that will be even more degrading. It's so obvious with japanese games, you could make a social study... Nuns, goddesses, Kamis, elves... The more sacred the better, to crush them in the end.

Now I guess people are free to enjoy both categories without being misogynist (although it clearly helps to play the second...), but I thing your question greatly depends on which one of these two you are interested.
*sarcasm starts here
Because if the answer is the second, then it's really easy to make the "perfect" game :
Take a hyper arrogant or exaggeratedly kind 18yo female. Don't bother to give her a personality or back-story. It's useless here. But give her some kind of sacrality, she must be a princess, an elf, a nun, a paladin, or whatever. And then destroy her. Gang-bang, piss, scat, rape, free use, bestiality, forced pregnancy, the more extreme the better. Oh and she must love it. All of it. The more she screams the more she likes it. That's the basis here. And once she's destroyed choose another cliche and destroy her too. There are enough for you to come with a whole bunch of games.
And don't worry, you will find people to enjoy it and even pay for it.
Some don't go that extreme, and "only" turn the MC into an easy slut, but the principle is still the same.
*sarcasm ends here

And that's pretty much in my opinion why you got the feeling they all are the same. Because they are... Especially from one unholy country I mentioned before.
But you can apply this to many non Female MC games too.


But if you're up the first one then it's a little more complicated.
One would have to find the right balance to make the MC sexy and having fun without turning her into a complete slut. I don't want to see a realistic housewife (absence of) sex life either. That would be very boring as hell...
So the question would be what would make a good porn game ? I guess we all have our personal thoughts on that...
*sarcasm again
You might have to worry about story-telling, scenario, dialogues character writing and other boring stuff. Or even worse in a video game, a gameplay ? Ewwwww...
*sarcasm ends


But to clear up any misunderstanding, I'm not saying that your basic porn game has to be Shakespearian or an essay to reinvent the whole side-scroller genre.
On the contrary, I actually think basic games work best for porn. But even, or maybe especially, basic games must have a very solid foundation, and that require some work and maybe a bit a talent too. It's actually quite easy to hide a bad game behind a whole bunch of characters or an excessively complex story. That's a personal feeling, but I can think of quite a few games that I loved at their start that are now beginning to show us what there are in reality : shallow and not that interesting...



But anyway, those were my two cents to your question. I'm sorry if that wasn't a magical answer (if you expected one).

Edit : it seams that some people deeply misunderstand my point, so I added some "sarcasm labels"

 

[javikaston]

One of my favourite game category was female MC. Therefore, I tested a lot of them. Like, really a lot...
Chloe, Claire's Quest, Slutcraft, ... , Good Girl Gone Bad of course, you name it. Even Violated Heroine, Legend of Krystal and stuff like that way before F95. Yeah, I'm kinda old.

Why do I tell all this ? Because from my experience playing all this I came to the conclusion that there are basically two categories of game with Female MC :
- Those who like women and enjoy the female body, get exited about them and like to see them explore their sexuality, have fun, etc.
- Those who hate women and want break them, humiliate them, turn them into sex slaves and such.
Very often MC has some kind of sacrality or be a figure of authority, that will be even more degrading. It's so obvious with japanese games, you could make a social study... Nuns, goddesses, Kamis, elves... The more sacred the better, to crush them in the end.

Now I guess people are free to enjoy both categories without being misogynist (although it clearly helps to play the second...), but I thing your question greatly depends on which one of these two you are interested.
Because if the answer is the second, then it's really easy to make the "perfect" game :
Take a hyper arrogant or exaggeratedly kind 18yo female. Don't bother to give her a personality or back-story. It's useless here. But give her some kind of sacrality, she must be a princess, an elf, a nun, a paladin, or whatever. And then destroy her. Gang-bang, piss, scat, rape, free use, forced pregnancy, the more extreme the better. Oh and she must love it. All of it. The more she screams the more she likes it. That's the basis here. And once she's destroyed choose another cliche and destroy her too. There are enough for you to come with a whole bunch of games.
And don't worry, you will find people to enjoy it and even pay for it.
Some don't go that extreme, and "only" turn the MC into an easy slut, but the principle is still the same.


And that's pretty much in my opinion why you got the feeling they all are the same. Because there are... Especially from one unholy country I mentioned before.
You can apply this to many non Female MC games too.


But if you're up the first one then it's a little more complicated.
One would have to find the right balance to make the MC sexy and having fun without turning her into a complete slut. I don't want to see a realistic housewife (absence of) sex life either. That would be very boring as hell...
So the question would be what would make a good porn game ? I guess we all have our personal thoughts on that...
You might have to worry about story-telling, scenario, dialogues character writing and other boring stuff. Or even worse in a video game, a gameplay ? Ewwwww...


But to clear up any misunderstanding, I'm not saying that your basic porn game has to be Shakespearian or an essay to reinvent the whole side-scroller genre.
On the contrary, I actually think basic games work best for porn. But even, or maybe especially, basic games must have a very solid foundation, and that require some work and maybe a bit a talent too. It's actually quite easy to hide a bad game behind a whole bunch of characters or an excessively complex story. That's a personal feeling, but I can think of quite a few games that I loved at their start that are now beginning to show us what there are in reality : shallow and not that interesting...



But anyway, those were my two cents to your question. I'm sorry if that wasn't a magical answer (if you expected one).

And to anyone who feels offended because they feel like I am attacking their favourite kink/game/anime/whatever : I don't give a damn. Too bad for you.

You're response is why I created this forum.

Thank you for the interesting read.

 

[demonbra]

You're response is why I created this forum.

Thank you for the interesting read.

I'm glad you found it interesting. It got a bit saltier than I initially intended, but I would repeat it just the same.

 

[Malachite1789]

There is no such thing as "Perfect" because everyone has different tastes. Personally for me the best female mc would be a 5 foot 6 goth, named Sally, into all my fav fetishes and with a laid back attitude to life in general.

 

[Fzeren]

More than anything I'd want to see some variety. Most of the fem MC games I've seen are so aggressively traditional. Also a problem with male MC games, but still.

Also if it has a dick. it's not a female. It's basic biology. A female is a female and a male is a male.

Imagine dumbing down your own understanding of gender just for a pretense to go on anti-trans ramblings. Snap out of it, bro

 

[Laikhent]

- Those who hate women and want break them, humiliate them, turn them into sex slaves and such.

I just wanted to point out that people on this category do not necessarily hate woman. It could just be a dom/sub or a sado/maso fetish. In general, people tend to avoid things they hate

 

[Oh my]

I just wanted to point out that people on this category do not necessarily hate woman. It could just be a dom/sub or a sado/maso fetish. In general, people tend to avoid things they hate

I don't think it's about hating them.
I think it's about not caring about them; and so people are fine tossing them to the wolves.
Because they become toys.

 

[demonbra]

I don't think it's about hating them.
I think it's about not caring about them; and so people are fine tossing them to the wolves.
Because they become toys.

I could agree with you if it wasn't for all the sick fantasies that goes with this genre.
If they really didn't care there wouldn't be games or hentai about it to begin with.
I would call it a sick fascination with something they venerate and hate at the same time.

But it's an interesting remark. I will keep it in mind.

 

[Laikhent]

I don't think it's about hating them.
I think it's about not caring about them; and so people are fine tossing them to the wolves.
Because they become toys.

When I play it, I put myself in the place of the mc and I get off by being taken advantage of.
Also, my mother is the person I respect most in the world, so I can't agree with "playing that kind of game = not caring about women."
Maybe there are some people that play for the reason you suggest, but it's hard to say the percentage of them. I still believe that most of it is related to the dom/sub and sado/maso kinks.

I could agree with you if it wasn't for all the sick fantasies that goes with this genre.
If they really didn't care there wouldn't be games or hentai about it to begin with.
I would call it a sick fascination with something they venerate and hate at the same time.

But it's an interesting remark. I will keep it in mind.

At first I thought you were a women hater that thought others played that kind of game for the same reason as you. But then you said

...the more extreme the better. Oh and she must love it. All of it...

which suggests you take pleasure when she takes pleasure, which could not happen if you actually hated women.

Maybe you have the wrong idea of what hate means? There are many possible reasons why one would play such kind of game. I don't know why you chose to believe that the main reason is out of hate.

 

[Oh my]

When I play it, I put myself in the place of the mc and I get off by being taken advantage of.

Yeah and I can fap to this too.
But it is a play-toy joyride.

Also, my mother is the person I respect most in the world, so I can't agree with "playing that kind of game = not caring about women."

What does your mother have to do with this?
In the case in which I choose this path, son LI Romance is lost.
And I can fap to that too, but it's at an expense.

Maybe there are some people that play for the reason you suggest, but it's hard to say the percentage of them. I still believe that most of it is related to the dom/sub and sado/maso kinks.

Yeah.
There can be multiple reasons why, but I think people care around quadriplegic phase where human decency is concerned: rather than a Romance buffer.
The general theme gets gradually more extreme than oppressive air, nipple tassels and rope.

 

[Oh my]

No, you got me all wrong. Sorry I wasn't clear about it. I had second thoughts about it later but I kept it this way anyway.

I'll put it in a spoiler not to... spoil the threat.

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Be careful to not dilute the term misogyny to the point where it becomes reasonable.
It's not a term to fling around casually or at all.
I don't think it's helpful for anything other than divisive politics.
I can easily reference male MC fem-dom as misandrist and we can go back and furth.
Men and women are complementary.

 

[demonbra]

Be careful to not dilute the term misogyny to the point where it becomes reasonable.
It's not a term to fling around casually or at all.
I don't think it's helpful for anything other than divisive politics.
I can easily reference male MC fem-dom as misandrist and we can go back and furth.
Men and women are complimentary.

I'm not sure I follow you.

I totally agree man and women are complementary. We clearly are not the same, and it's a good thing.

When did I say that being misogynist was resonable ? I thought I said the exact opposite... Well, there was a heavy dose of sarcasm in my first post, but I thought I cleared it out.
That put aside,there is a lot to say about M MC and fem-dom too, but maybe in another thread ?

 

[javikaston]

How about we keep the Drama out of this thread shall we... Cut the fighting or whatever. we all have our own opinions. If anyone is getting butt hurt here. Please fucking leave. This is thread was made to help create ideas and express ideas and shit. NOT FOR PEOPLE TO FIGHT!

 

[anne O'nymous]

Is to actually talk about what a perfect mc female character looks like and acts like.
Not to give vague answers.

Well, my answer will not please you, because you'll feel it "vague", but my perfect female MC looks like a human and act like a human.

This mean that, with really too few exceptions, it's a female MC that can be found only in games that give you the choice for the MC gender. Because they have an imperative, serving the story, and therefore will have a MC that act in the same way through the whole game, this whatever his/her gender. It's a shame to say it, but they are the most realistic female MCs because they are serving a story initially designed for a male MC.

Games that only offer only one choice, a female MC, (almost) all focus on the sexuality of the character ; even pure lesbian games. While male MC can be an idiot or a stud, can have a rewarding job or a degrading one, can try to solve a mystery, fight for his life, or simple to not die virgin, female MC are (almost) every time here to be fucked, optionally to fuck but it's rare, period.
Even games that aren't too bad, like Good Girl Gone Bad, do not offer real choices regarding your play through. While male MC can be dominant, romantic or submissive, all this inside the same story, female MC can either be prude (and you'll miss all the lewd content) or accept to be turned into a cum slut. The only variation depending of the level of sluttyness you accept for her ; will she just be a whore, or will she be a pure brainless sex slave ? Thought question...
In the end, the one who achieve to not do it wrong was Bright Sun Studios. All the games have a female MC, and all the female MC are humans acting like humans. Too bad the author was a jerk and only finished two games, abandoning all the others because it wasn't the expected money rain.

Of course, like I said, there's some exceptions, but they really are exception. As if authors feared to present a female MC that is something else than a walking sex toy, while in the same time believing that strong women can only be found in femdom stories. Something that never cross their mind when they write a story for a male MC. They see no problem for him to be the roughest guy in town, and in the same time crawl to kiss any women feet he'll cross.

So yeah, I agree with those saying that there's a problem with the depiction of female MC in the scene. And whatever if you respect your mother, sisters, wife, or whatever, your vision of what a female should be in an adult game is still shitty and a bit (when not more) misogynistic.


By the way, in before, despite what my pseudonym say, I'm a guy.

 

[demonbra]

How about we keep the Drama out of this thread shall we... Cut the fighting or whatever. we all have our own opinions. If anyone is getting butt hurt here. Please fucking leave. This is thread was made to help create ideas and express ideas and shit. NOT FOR PEOPLE TO FIGHT!

I can only speak for myself, but I didn't have the feeling that we were fighting about anything ? I think we were more or less on the same page.
But if it bothers you I'll quit, no problem.

 

[javikaston]

Well, my answer will not please you, because you'll feel it "vague", but my perfect female MC looks like a human and act like a human.

This mean that, with really too few exceptions, it's a female MC that can be found only in games that give you the choice for the MC gender. Because they have an imperative, serving the story, and therefore will have a MC that act in the same way through the whole game, this whatever his/her gender. It's a shame to say it, but they are the most realistic female MCs because they are serving a story initially designed for a male MC.

Games that only offer only one choice, a female MC, (almost) all focus on the sexuality of the character ; even pure lesbian games. While male MC can be an idiot or a stud, can have a rewarding job or a degrading one, can try to solve a mystery, fight for his life, or simple to not die virgin, female MC are (almost) every time here to be fucked, optionally to fuck but it's rare, period.
Even games that aren't too bad, like Good Girl Gone Bad, do not offer real choices regarding your play through. While male MC can be dominant, romantic or submissive, all this inside the same story, female MC can either be prude (and you'll miss all the lewd content) or accept to be turned into a cum slut. The only variation depending of the level of sluttyness you accept for her ; will she just be a whore, or will she be a pure brainless sex slave ? Thought question...
In the end, the one who achieve to not do it wrong was Bright Sun Studios. All the games have a female MC, and all the female MC are humans acting like humans. Too bad the author was a jerk and only finished two games, abandoning all the others because it wasn't the expected money rain.

Of course, like I said, there's some exceptions, but they really are exception. As if authors feared to present a female MC that is something else than a walking sex toy, while in the same time believing that strong women can only be found in femdom stories. Something that never cross their mind when they write a story for a male MC. They see no problem for him to be the roughest guy in town, and in the same time crawl to kiss any women feet he'll cross.

So yeah, I agree with those saying that there's a problem with the depiction of female MC in the scene. And whatever if you respect your mother, sisters, wife, or whatever, your vision of what a female should be in an adult game is still shitty and a bit (when not more) misogynistic.


By the way, in before, despite what my pseudonym say, I'm a guy.

Blooming Love is a great game. first. second.

"but my perfect female MC looks like a human and act like a human."

I like your answer. I agree with alot of what you have to say.

 

[javikaston]

I can only speak for myself, but I didn't have the feeling that we were fighting about anything ? I think we were more or less on the same page.
But if it bothers you I'll quit, no problem.

I'm speaking in general. and possibly I did read it wrong. I just want this thread to keep growing with productive ideas and no drama. That's all. If someone hates women. Feel pitty for them and more on.

 

[Oh my]

I can only speak for myself, but I didn't have the feeling that we were fighting about anything ? I think we were more or less on the same page.
But if it bothers you I'll quit, no problem.

Yeah I don't think we were fighting either.
I just said something I thought would be useful.

 

[javikaston]

Yeah I don't think we were fighting either.
I just said something I thought would be useful.

Then I stand corrected. Carry on lol!

 

[Oh my]

female MC can either be prude (and you'll miss all the lewd content)

I don't get this.

I hate male MC fuck-fests and fight for my life to dodge pussy.

What's so wrong with female MC Romance?