The Incest Drought

[gunderson]

It should be pretty obvious by now that people are currently having a hard time selling/funding explicitly incest-themed porn games. Sometimes there are unofficial patches that address the issue, but most of the time people in new (or, more and more often, reworked games that formerly had incest) Patreon games are just neighbors or roommates or whatever and, in my opinion, that sucks for incest fetishists like us when it takes the place of true incest games.

So. Has anybody who enjoys incest-themed porn (games mostly, but maybe also some reliable new source for original incest comics) found a good way to deal with this problem? Are you quietly making your own free game with explicit incestuous content that you want to share (or share information about)? Are you just going back in your archives to watch/play older stuff from before the hammer came down? Is there a site you can recommend that doesn't necessarily get a lot of traffic around here but is involved in making new explicit incest porn games/content?

For example, Jag27 is still around at eyeronikcomics.com. His new stuff is a bit expensive (about 5-6 bucks per issue of his comics), but that dude most definitely has done a lot of pretty neat (and often weird) incest stuff over the years. His new comics don't have dates on them that I can see, but I'm pretty certain he's still putting out new work.

Note: this is a thread for people who love fictional incest. Responses like "You should be ashamed, [fictional] incest is gross!" are not relevant to this discussion. If you really want to express that opinion, I'd suggest one of the various threads celebrating Patreon's efforts to interfere in their clients' work/complaining that not all games that exist have content that they enjoy.

 

[Comrade Anulnyat]

"You should be ashamed, [fictional] incest is gross!" are not relevant to this discussion.

Please, not all of us here are that deranged. Well, maybe a few.

Are you just going back in your archives to watch/play older stuff from before the hammer came down? Is there a site you can recommend that doesn't necessarily get a lot of traffic around here but is involved in making new explicit incest porn games/content?

3d and games usually don't do it for me.
Very rarely I stumble upon something, that I like a lot, but again, rarely.
So I find majority of incest related stuff on sadpandasite.
Yeah, censorship, yeah Japs(not in a bad way, more like matter of taste), yeah, most of the time you encounter "hentai logic" and end up reading for giggles, but a lot of gold lies in there and I keep finding more and more.
So in the end it's pretty much this "Are you just going back in your archives to watch/play older stuff from before the hammer came down?".

 

[OhWee]

My concern is that, now that the thought police have had a few victories on Patreon (via putting pressure on Paypal), they aren't going to stop there. Why just ban incest games when you can ban all erotic games?

The myth of free speech in America is facing the reality that only certain speech is acceptable, everyone else gets thrown under the bus, if certain groups have their way.

On another front, there's a huge push to make brothels illegal in Nevada (currently counties in Nevada with populations of 500,000 or less have the option, some do allow others don't). No Little Girls, the organization behind this, is trying to paint the courtesans as victims, when in reality almost all courtesans are courtesans by choice, and make significantly more money as a courtesan than they have/will make in other professions. A number of gals in the courtesan profession stay long enough to pay for their college educations (so no debt when they leave college), which is much more empowering than having student loans for a good chunk of the rest of your life. Others choose to come back to the profession a bit later in life, once they figure out that 'working for the man' isn't all it's cracked up to be. There's a lot of freedom in being able to choose your work schedule, and for those that come back to the profession, well the downsides are significantly outweighed by the benefits...

Of course, Dennis Hof (owner of Bunnyranch) hasn't done himself any favors, and in a way he brought this on himself. But several other brothel owners may end up paying the price for Hof's arrogance.

Gotta luv when the morality police impose their morals on others, with no concern with the actual cost. I'm sure a number of people are now regretting not voting in the US 2016 Presidential election, but this battle has been going on for a while now.

And, thanks to character assassination efforts on Facebook, etc., those that choose to try to fight this are being beaten down via social media attacks, threats of violence, etc..

Not sure when the pendulum will swing back the other way, but right now we have a number of people in power that have abdicated their views for fear of being thrown under the bus if they choose to speak out or take a stand. But I digress.

The problem with incest patches is that some people will never find out about them, and that trying to tell the story in such a way that you can have 'both versions' is a bit more challenging/seems more contrived at times.

And as for new incest games, I'm sure there may be a few new ones coming down the pike, but a lot of developers are in this for the money, whether or not they choose to admit that - to themselves and/or others. And, since Patreon isn't a 'sure thing' anymore, well I think the days of quality releases that we were seeing before the crackdown (thinking Big Brother and Dreams of Desire here) are behind us, at least until/if some other adult friendly sponsorship system manages to get firmly established.

In short, I think incest games are just the first casualties in the wave that's coming. Erotic games will always have the underground option, but if it's strictly underground, yeah there will be less releases, and of lesser quality thanks to the game writers not being able to invest their pledges into better hardware, modeling assets, the ability to spend more time on releases due to additional income, etc.

Hopefully the Japanese hentai games will keep things alive at least, but I have rather enjoyed the Western Erotic Games wave we were riding up to this point.

 

[NandabaCanti]

If you don't mind getting into manga, here is a search with almost 900 entries for the seach terms: incest, uncensored, and English.

You must be registered to see the links

There is a fair bit of reposts/updates in there, but even if only half of them are unique entries that still ought to be enough to keep you going for at least months, and by the time you are through them all there'd bound to be dozens, if not hundreds, more that got released while you were going through those, heh. There's a ton more if you are fine with censoring, a large portion of which comes in the form of little black bars that often do little to obscure anything (part of the reason so many end up uncensored by fans).

 

[Catwashere]

Please, not all of us here are that deranged. Well, maybe a few.



3d and games usually don't do it for me.
Very rarely I stumble upon something, that I like a lot, but again, rarely.
So I find majority of incest related stuff on sadpandasite.
Yeah, censorship, yeah Japs(not in a bad way, more like matter of taste), yeah, most of the time you encounter "hentai logic" and end up reading for giggles, but a lot of gold lies in there and I keep finding more and more.
So in the end it's pretty much this "Are you just going back in your archives to watch/play older stuff from before the hammer came down?".

Does that site have games?

 

[Comrade Anulnyat]

Does that site have games?

No, it doesn't. Manga, doujinshi, comics, that kind of stuff.

 

[Chingonerio]

Does that site have games?

No, it doesn't. Manga, doujinshi, comics, that kind of stuff.

Actually, some of the game CG rips on the site do in fact contain the full games in question when you download the gallery as an archive or use its torrent files, but it's not a guaranteed thing. It's hard to tell at a glance, though, and I'm not entirely certain it's a practice the staff of the sadpanda site approve of.

Usually the uploader or some other user will leave a comment that points out the gallery includes the game, and whether or not it's been patched in any way. It's also a little telling when the information of the gallery's size is much larger than the images contained within, or there's a suspiciously large amount of odd cropped images that share the same filenames, etc.

On topic: I don't know if there's really a drought of incest games out there so much as a drought of the theme in Patreon works. I'm quite certain that Pixiv artists and developers who draw and write incest do in fact keep creating said content to be distributed via Pixiv's Fantia fanbox service thing (which is essentially yet another Patreon).

 

[Gomly1980]

The myth of free speech in America

The myth is people think that free speech translates over to the internet, it doesn't.

Here the rules are set by the people that run the sites and you'll say what they allow you to say.

In other words the internet isn't America, the constitution means less than shit here.

 

[Oiz]

I honestly don't really see a drought.
Most of those patches are actually by the dev team or some person trusted with that task and incest is probably still the served fetish in recent updates.

 

[Agent HK47]

Well, I was never a fan of the patreon censoring either, but I understand why creators feels the need to change the game, if they rely on their patreon earnings for making the game.

As for myself, I don't like being limited creatively. I am preparing to make a game of my own, which will be made without patreon and released for free, so I will have the freedom to tell the story I want to tell. It will take a while though. I still need to purchase many more assests for the game (dat shit's expensive) so I probably won't be ready to start actually working on the game until the end of the year.

Currently, I am using my time to outline the different plots of the game, think of a name, characters and such.

 

[gunderson]

Well, I was never a fan of the patreon censoring either, but I understand why creators feels the need to change the game, if they rely on their patreon earnings for making the game.

As for myself, I don't like being limited creatively. I am preparing to make a game of my own, which will be made without patreon and released for free, so I will have the freedom to tell the story I want to tell. It will take a while though. I still need to purchase many more assests for the game (dat shit's expensive) so I probably won't be ready to start actually working on the game until the end of the year.

Currently, I am using my time to outline the different plots of the game, think of a name, characters and such.

Sounds cool, and it's great to hear another person trying to make what they want rather than trying to turn their hobby into a low-paying job by compromising their vision. I look forward to checking out your game when you have something to show.

One thing I've always wondered, though...isn't this technically a pirate forum? It always seemed weird to me that people will steal a $5 game but pay hundreds or thousands of dollars for 3D modeling assets. I would imagine, for example, that some enterprising/unscrupulous game dev would say that they were spending a bunch of money on Daz models and outfits but actually just rip those off from other pirate sites instead of waiting months to scrape up the cash. Maybe just spend a few bucks instead on a decent P2P VPN.

Not, of course, that I would encourage anybody to do that, but that is just the sort of behavior I might expect around a forum like this. Best of luck with your legitimate purchasing endeavors!

 

[Nottravis]

One thing I've always wondered, though...isn't this technically a pirate forum? It always seemed weird to me that people will steal a $5 game but pay hundreds or thousands of dollars for 3D modeling assets. I would imagine, for example, that some enterprising/unscrupulous game dev would say that they were spending a bunch of money on Daz models and outfits but actually just rip those off from other pirate sites instead of waiting months to scrape up the cash. Maybe just spend a few bucks instead on a decent P2P VPN.

*peeks in*It's a fair point but for what it's worth (which isn't much she suspects) to part answer your question I download the assets here to try them - and then if they are any good and I'm going to use them, buy them.

Seems too risky to my little bear brain to be putting a game out there with pirated assets (also it seems a tad unsporting!) but on the other hand I don't want to waste money on assets which look rubbish or don't form as I want them too either. So..steal (or borrow!) then buy.

It will take a while though. I still need to purchase many more assests for the game (dat shit's expensive) so I probably won't be ready to start actually working on the game until the end of the year.

Well worth getting the DAz premium package when you do start buying assets. The savings are mad. Really!

 

[roger545353535353]

All the NTR games update so fast, and then the incest ones take months. Ugh such a shame i don't have the fetish of watching my wife fuck another man.

 

[Rastafoo]

First of all, my incest game recommendations

1. Four Elements Trainer (Zuko x Azula)
2. SnowDaze (Hypno Incest)
3. Insexual Awakening (THE #1 INCEST GAME OUT THERE!!!)
4. Girl Knight Milk (A single scene with her dad but he impregnates her and she has the kid! Haven't beaten the game yet, so there could be more!)
5. [Cannot post here]

I think this list could DEFINITELY be better but its weird... I feel like this site is tons of NTR games and fewer and fewer incest games by the day - mostly because incest games usually include something that breaks the rules like shotas. SAD! But if you give me a like, that'd make me less sad.

 

[gunderson]

I think it's ultimately what you intend to do with your game that determines whether or not it makes sense to 'borrow assets forever.' Example: if I'm making a free game (like Agent HK47 said they were) and if I further never intend to sell it, why on Earth am I spending Patreon-level dollars on my just-for-fun hobby? And in that case, real world porn star images are also fair game because, again, not for profit.

Glad that people who like Japanese stuff are finding stuff they like. For those of us whose genitals strongly prefer Western stuff, it's still a pretty tricky proposition outside of the occasionally-updated game around here that happens to have an incest patch to find new 'good stuff.'

 

[Agent HK47]

Sounds cool, and it's great to hear another person trying to make what they want rather than trying to turn their hobby into a low-paying job by compromising their vision. I look forward to checking out your game when you have something to show.

One thing I've always wondered, though...isn't this technically a pirate forum? It always seemed weird to me that people will steal a $5 game but pay hundreds or thousands of dollars for 3D modeling assets. I would imagine, for example, that some enterprising/unscrupulous game dev would say that they were spending a bunch of money on Daz models and outfits but actually just rip those off from other pirate sites instead of waiting months to scrape up the cash. Maybe just spend a few bucks instead on a decent P2P VPN.

Not, of course, that I would encourage anybody to do that, but that is just the sort of behavior I might expect around a forum like this. Best of luck with your legitimate purchasing endeavors!

Well, I guess I am an angel in disguise. Or a devil in disguise.

Seems too risky to my little bear brain to be putting a game out there with pirated assets (also it seems a tad unsporting!)

Well worth getting the DAz premium package when you do start buying assets. The savings are mad. Really!

Pretty much this. I don't expect anybody to catch me if I used pirated assets, but the paranoid voice in my head keeps telling me I COULD be wrong, so I prefer to be on the safe side here. And yeah, PC+ on Daz and Renderosity prime are really great for saving a ton a money. I save at least 50% on most purchases on both sites.

 

[Agent HK47]

I think it's ultimately what you intend to do with your game that determines whether or not it makes sense to 'borrow assets forever.' Example: if I'm making a free game (like Agent HK47 said they were) and if I further never intend to sell it, why on Earth am I spending Patreon-level dollars on my just-for-fun hobby? And in that case, real world porn star images are also fair game because, again, not for profit.

Well, to answer that question, I might have to tell a bit more about myself. About 10 years ago, I began grow bored of watching porn and began to get interested in reading erotic novels/short stories. After about 2-3 years of reading a shit-ton, I began to write my own. At this point I probably have around 5-10 finished stories, and another 50 that I either dropped or am just not currently working on. I released 3 stories to the public, which were pretty well recieved, with only minor criticism, but they all had to taken down shortly after due to *drum roll* ....... censoring.
I didn't want to censor my stories, so I just kept them to myself, since I am just making them for fun. Many times over the years, I wished I could somehow add some visuals to those stories, and then I stumbled upon Lesson of passion, which introduced me to adult visual novels/dating sims. This seemed to combine the 2 things I wanted, but it was only recently that I learned how I could actually make it happen.

So now, this is my hobby (in addition to writing erotic stories). This is what I want to do with my time and energy, when I am not playing video games or spending time with other people. I don't mind spending money on my hobby, because I am doing it for myself. The game (If I ever get as far as to release it) will be made for me first and foremost. Sure, I hope other people will enjoy it, but I am aiming the game at myself, which is why I am striving to be as accurate as a highly flawed individual can be.
As for using images of real pornstars, that is all well and good, but then what will I do when I need a character to have a certain pose/outfit/whatever that I need, which doesn't excist? Either I compromise or forget the idea, which again is not acceptable for me.

 

[NandabaCanti]

Don't get me wrong, I've done my fair share of pirating over the years and while I've bought a lot of the things I've pirated after finding I really enjoyed them, that isn't always the case. But one point worth considering is that pirating assets that you really like and get a lot of use out of without ever paying for them is basically a form of self-destructive community cannibalism. The reason people need those assets in the first place is that they usually lack the skill or time to develop their own.

Developing them requires many years of building up several skills and each asset can typically take days or weeks of work to produce. If those artists, who've sacrificed perhaps decades of their lives to produce assets so that you don't have to, aren't justly compensated then you dramatically lower the incentive for them to keep going on and serving an ungrateful community. Which leads to the best artists moving on to greener pastures, shrinking the pool of higher quality assets getting released, and in turn lowering the quality of the games that can be produced. Either by forcing devs to settle for lower quality offerings or keep reusing the handful of good assets that everyone else have used hundreds of times before.

 

[Nottravis]

*points up* Wish I could double like this one. Totally spot on.

 

[gunderson]

Let me remind those here: Patreon has told us to go fuck ourselves as far as funding incest games. You wanna make a NTR game or a gay game or a lesbian game or a 'lots of people in a house who have no particular relationship to each other but are weirdly prudish about sex' game, you potentially have resources available to you to pay for 3D modeling software via crowdfunding. But if your game involves out-and-out blood relative incest, all resources come out of your own pocket or from whatever you can find on the web.

So here in this thread, here specifically and not in threads with people who have the means to get funding assistance for their game if they wish and/or mean to sell their work, I see no reason whatsoever to encourage people to be squeamish about testing out assets while they make free games that they literally have no practical means to sell or gather donations for.