VN Ren'Py The King of Summer [v0.5.7-full] [No Try Studios]

[ahoboman]

I don't get that feeling at all from either of the games you mention. All the side characters in this game feel like appropriate additions to build a harem or show conquest.

And Adding a toxic NTR path in Arato is just adding a different slant to NTR. Kendo is more of the loving Dom, Arato is more the sadistic user. Different kinks for different people. Not everyone wants Daddy Kendo and not everyone wants Bratty Arato.

I do understand your feeling though, as that is 100% my issue with SAO right now. Kind of killed the game for me being cockblocked to deal with some character I give zero fucks over.

I just don't see it here, but to each their own.

If you played the Shadow of Desire update lately, you would understand that that recent update was terrible. No build up. No fleshing out. No pacing. Just a bunch of new characters added who no one cares about because they got no back story, jump to groping, ball sucking and ball hopping. It became messy. Almost as if nothing matters anymore. What was impactful in the last chapter just gone. There is no point in reading. Sure some people like this quick to sex so they can get to bust a nut quick, but for the reading, its just terrible pacing and not hot at all. Anyway this isn't about Shadow of Desire.

Here... Mary jumped on Arato nuts too quick. She has to build up with Kendo up to chapter 3 to start hoping his nuts. Her corruption took place and then by chapter 5 it full on love and commitment willing to do things for Kendo even if it means having sex with others. Where Arato comes in at chapter 3, its straight action and balls deep in with very little build up within 1 chapter? Bruh? Because of drug? Partner swinging? Sex frustration? Blackmail? Isn't she already kind of in love with Kendo? So she gonna cuck the guy who cuck the guy she cheated on? What? That is just I don't know? Terrible writing. No pace. No build up

It becomes like other NTR games I dislike. Now you got three partners, the MC, and the two antagonist while those two antagonist are also banging each others harems and the main. I am not fan of multiple different partners with no substances. Who do I pay attention to? Maybe once the main girl is corrupted. used and reach the peak of corruption then it makes sense for her to go around give herself up. I Just like build up and consistency. Otherwise what is the point in reading the story. I liked the the beginning to mid of King of Summers because it was grounded. But as new character came, just like SOD, things dragged out. Messy.

 

[No Try Studios]

DEV, its your game, and you do what you must and will to make you happy and enjoy your product first. I already stated I don't care if Arato is there or not. It was just the way he was shoe horn in stole the whole game as it went that kill my fire for the game. It made the game what it is already and you can't fix that without a restart or rewrite of the entire story. I would of love Arato if he was the main antagonist of his own story perhaps tie your game's universe . Regardless, you are an awesome devoloper and game creator.

I am the process of starting my own game. Concepts on an MC, antagonist, main girl, and side girls. I even concept a universe in case if I plan on adding other antagonist, side stories or spin off. I plan to stay grounded but not completely realistic. The concepts are still fresh. I used you as an inspiration. You, No Try Studio SHAMANDEV, NTRMAN, ObliviousNTR and some concept from JAV. PC parts like my rtx 4090, ryzen and 9000 series, motherboard are twoo weeks away. Anyways thank for being a drving force into my NTR game journey!

I've been trying not to respond to you other than to clear some misconceptions, since you have your own opinion of the story and that's fine. I'm not going to try to defend my narrative choices or anything, that's something that'll only lead to a circular and increasingly more hostile conversation.

...That said, for the love of god don't tag me if you're going to go on about these points in other threads, in conversation with other developers, with the same backhanded compliments. That's just rude.

 

[ahoboman]

I've been trying not to respond to you other than to clear some misconceptions, since you have your own opinion of the story and that's fine. I'm not going to try to defend my narrative choices or anything, that's something that'll only lead to a circular and increasingly more hostile conversation.

...That said, for the love of god don't tag me if you're going to go on about these points in other threads, in conversation with other developers, with the same backhanded compliments. That's just rude.

Noted. Best wished DEV. And its not back handed. I apologize if you feel that way.

 

[ChinPowa]

Finally, after getting several comments about how bad NTR is, that button will eventually turn simply into the "No" button. Once you press it, the game will be completely erased from your device, but only after sending your banking data my way as a reward for following your suggestions.

Shut up and take my money! Speaking of which, any new pregnancy content? Still in a waiting mode for my subscription renewal.

 

[Smasher69]

Here... Mary jumped on Arato nuts too quick. She has to build up with Kendo up to chapter 3 to start hoping his nuts. Her corruption took place and then by chapter 5 it full on love and commitment willing to do things for Kendo even if it means having sex with others. Where Arato comes in at chapter 3, its straight action and balls deep in with very little build up within 1 chapter? Bruh? Because of drug? Partner swinging? Sex frustration? Blackmail? Isn't she already kind of in love with Kendo? So she gonna cuck the guy who cuck the guy she cheated on? What? That is just I don't know? Terrible writing. No pace. No build up

Well, an argument for the quicker dick hopping can be argued that Kendo at that point, has made Mary's inhibition to cheating a little more loose since she has gotten the good old big dicking that is not from her bf. Unfair you can call it, but I doubt its much of a stretch.

 

[blacktag222]

Isn't she already kind of in love with Kendo?

In my opinion, she is in love with sex with Kendo, and if a suitable replacement is found, then I think she will not need much time to enjoy this replacement. And in general, she accepts Kendo's sex with other women and if she allows this for Kendo, then she sets the same boundaries of behavior for herself. I think they are most likely a couple of swingers in spirit and Arato is quite suitable for Mary's sexual partner.

 

[ahoboman]

Well, an argument for the quicker dick hopping can be argued that Kendo at that point, has made Mary's inhibition to cheating a little more loose since she has gotten the good old big dicking that is not from her bf. Unfair you can call it, but I doubt its much of a stretch.

It is still bad writing and pacing though. Because Arato haven't gotten rid of Kendo so the switch is hard to enjoy. Its the MC that gotten rid of Kendo. For Mary to all of the sudden go replace Kendo and lose all interest in Kendo and MC himself is a big stretch. But it is what it is.

 

[ahoboman]

In my opinion, she is in love with sex with Kendo, and if a suitable replacement is found, then I think she will not need much time to enjoy this replacement. And in general, she accepts Kendo's sex with other women and if she allows this for Kendo, then she sets the same boundaries of behavior for herself. I think they are most likely a couple of swingers in spirit and Arato is quite suitable for Mary's sexual partner.

It is still bad pacing and plot because she is in love with sex with Kendo and not Arato. Kendo has a bigger thing. Supposedly better at sex. Also they share an imitate relationship. The only thing Arato has is money. But that isn't used until later until late in his update. Anyways at this point, it is what it is. At least DEV admit it is not the best way to introduce Arato. At this point I will like to respect DEV and keep my opinion to myself since I am already the motion creating my own game.

 

[Alandir]

It's just a different route . . . . if you don't like Arato, then choose to kick him to the curb. If you do so, his entire plot is a blip on the story. If you chose to keep him around and lose Kendo, then that's kind on you.

Different routes in games have different vibes.

Ya'll new to VNs?

Have you even read what I wrote? I know he fucks off back into the background after you choose kendo. The problem that he has just huge amounts of forced content before you get to choose.

 

[aris666]

Have you even read what I wrote? I know he fucks off back into the background after you choose kendo. The problem that he has just huge amounts of forced content before you get to choose.

And he still sometimes appears in Kendo route, which implies that he is still supposed to be an unresolved issue. I think I would be more accepting of his pressence, if we would finally get plotline of Kendo "stealing" Shizuka.

 

[Alandir]

And he still sometimes appears in Kendo route, which implies that he is still supposed to be an unresolved issue. I think I would be more accepting of his pressence, if we would finally get plotline of Kendo "stealing" Shizuka.

Eh, I don't think that's an issue. It's clear the dev has something planned for kendos true ending. So just let dev cook.

 

[bobthe slayer]

I have heard everyone's feedback.

First, for those who'd rather not have Arato content, I shall add a "No Arato" button, which will erase all content featuring him on your game.

Since I have also received feedback about how Kendo is boring or too terrible of a person and thus shouldn't exist, in the update after that the "No Arato" button will turn into "No Arato & Kendo" button, which will take all their content out of the game, turning it vanilla.

Furthermore, I have also gotten valuable feedback about how whiny and horrible Satoshi is, and thus in the following update from the one mentioned above, I will add the "No Arato/Kendo/Satoshi" button, effectively eliminating most content from the game.

Finally, after getting several comments about how bad NTR is, that button will eventually turn simply into the "No" button. Once you press it, the game will be completely erased from your device, but only after sending your banking data my way as a reward for following your suggestions.

Hopefully these changes will make everyone happy.

Or simply charge them for game development lessons so they make their own games

 

[G. Marquez]

I have heard everyone's feedback.

First, for those who'd rather not have Arato content, I shall add a "No Arato" button, which will erase all content featuring him on your game.

Since I have also received feedback about how Kendo is boring or too terrible of a person and thus shouldn't exist, in the update after that the "No Arato" button will turn into "No Arato & Kendo" button, which will take all their content out of the game, turning it vanilla.

Furthermore, I have also gotten valuable feedback about how whiny and horrible Satoshi is, and thus in the following update from the one mentioned above, I will add the "No Arato/Kendo/Satoshi" button, effectively eliminating most content from the game.

Finally, after getting several comments about how bad NTR is, that button will eventually turn simply into the "No" button. Once you press it, the game will be completely erased from your device, but only after sending your banking data my way as a reward for following your suggestions.

Hopefully these changes will make everyone happy.

Only girls and Yoshi. That´s the game I want

 

[Leo D. Marstone]

Because of situations like this I am glad that I decided for myself a long time ago to only play the finished product and not in updates.
I do believe that many peoples frustrations stem from playing the game update by update and are stuck with situations they are not comftable with like with the last 2 updates being arato ones. I thought the dev wanted to rewrite the introduction of arato a bit to adress these concerns but it seems he decided not to do it after all.

This can be a two edged sword because promising games gets abandoned but I have still my peace of mind. Y'all need to step a way back and wait for 2-3 updates.

Playing finished products in my own pace removes this to a great degree and I can just continue to see the conclusion of a bad situation. I dunno I might be talking out of my as as well xD

Lastly it is interesting as always to see that when people on F95 are up in arms of a certain thing and the patreons, like the dev mentioned, are super chill. Such a stark contrast and I am wondering why that is

 

[Daves12345]

Bruh just played the latest update. Yup, Satoshi deserved all those sht.

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[G. Marquez]

That Satoshi deserved all the evil ok, but that an old, fat and ugly man did it, hahhahahaha

To me is not that important how the person that stole Mary from him looks. What is really bad is that it was his own uncle

 

[kgirlffx]

If you played the Shadow of Desire update lately, you would understand that that recent update was terrible. No build up. No fleshing out. No pacing. Just a bunch of new characters added who no one cares about because they got no back story, jump to groping, ball sucking and ball hopping. It became messy. Almost as if nothing matters anymore. What was impactful in the last chapter just gone. There is no point in reading. Sure some people like this quick to sex so they can get to bust a nut quick, but for the reading, its just terrible pacing and not hot at all. Anyway this isn't about Shadow of Desire.

Here... Mary jumped on Arato nuts too quick. She has to build up with Kendo up to chapter 3 to start hoping his nuts. Her corruption took place and then by chapter 5 it full on love and commitment willing to do things for Kendo even if it means having sex with others. Where Arato comes in at chapter 3, its straight action and balls deep in with very little build up within 1 chapter? Bruh? Because of drug? Partner swinging? Sex frustration? Blackmail? Isn't she already kind of in love with Kendo? So she gonna cuck the guy who cuck the guy she cheated on? What? That is just I don't know? Terrible writing. No pace. No build up

It becomes like other NTR games I dislike. Now you got three partners, the MC, and the two antagonist while those two antagonist are also banging each others harems and the main. I am not fan of multiple different partners with no substances. Who do I pay attention to? Maybe once the main girl is corrupted. used and reach the peak of corruption then it makes sense for her to go around give herself up. I Just like build up and consistency. Otherwise what is the point in reading the story. I liked the the beginning to mid of King of Summers because it was grounded. But as new character came, just like SOD, things dragged out. Messy.

I've not played the latest Shadow Patch, so can't comment there.

As for Mary, I saw her hooking up with Arato as an extension of her corruption from Kendo. He had brought her to the point of wanting sex all the time, enjoying the taboo of it, and a bad actor took advantage of that.

The jump made sense to me. Arato was at the right time in the right place and had the balls to take what he wanted.

 

[kgirlffx]

Have you even read what I wrote? I know he fucks off back into the background after you choose kendo. The problem that he has just huge amounts of forced content before you get to choose.

I mean, that's just called gameplay. I get wanting to focus on one character, but this is the story the Dev wanted to tell, and you really are way inflating how much Arato is in the game.

He is hardly in it at all in comparison to Kendo if you take Kendo's route.

If you want a porn gallery just ask for a save file with the sexy scenes saved, or better, find a way to DL the CG. Stories sometimes need story.

 

[AtotehZ]

I still don't know how Arato ending 1 is obtained. Do any of you know?
EDIT: I think I have the gist of it. Arato ending 1 must be on Satoshi's route.

 

[ahoboman]

Because of situations like this I am glad that I decided for myself a long time ago to only play the finished product and not in updates.
I do believe that many peoples frustrations stem from playing the game update by update and are stuck with situations they are not comftable with like with the last 2 updates being arato ones. I thought the dev wanted to rewrite the introduction of arato a bit to adress these concerns but it seems he decided not to do it after all.

This can be a two edged sword because promising games gets abandoned but I have still my peace of mind. Y'all need to step a way back and wait for 2-3 updates.

Playing finished products in my own pace removes this to a great degree and I can just continue to see the conclusion of a bad situation. I dunno I might be talking out of my as as well xD

Lastly it is interesting as always to see that when people on F95 are up in arms of a certain thing and the patreons, like the dev mentioned, are super chill. Such a stark contrast and I am wondering why that is

Actually I only followed Kings of Summers in early 2023. So most of the chapters were already fleshed out. But when it comes NTR games and dialogue, I often time invest in reading the story plot, character development, and build up. The frustration is not the characters themselves, but the actual pacing. This series is one of my favorite since it started off so grounded from chapter 1 to 3. Its was unique from a lot of other NTR games as the randomness and 0 to 100 is not so everywhere that you actually enjoy following along. Well at least I did. The introduction of this Arato can be anyone. A chad, shota, old fart or ugly mofo. I just don't care. Its was the way how it was shoe horn in there and just over take the plot that started to kill the enjoyment.

Anyways I am passionate about it because this series is one of the series that inspired me to journey into making my own game. DEV is a great artist regardless. Its just my criticism whether is matter or not. I am not asking DEV to change anything as it is his product. Beside, as Thanos once said, "fine I'll do it myself."