RPGM The Last Sovereign [v0.77.2] [Sierra Lee]

[Darkhorn]

Opening the Givini ruins is most certainly not bad, and doing so in chapter 4 is required for the true ending. It is most certanily possible to do so legitimately with Pron even without cheats

Yes, i know, it's possible to open Givini ruins without cheating, and i'm do it this way) When i'm talk about a bad thing, i mean maybe it'is not good at all that we are collecting all this IK items) Maybe there were some bad consequences for this in the future) Sierra seems like doing twists, that no one expect) Well, it's only my wild guess, about IK items)
About pron-cheating without consequences, it's simply strange to me. Make unti-cheat for one important thing, and not make for another?.. Well, Sierra obviously know better what best for her game, and every one must respect her decisions! I'm not complain.

The real surprise is that there are any anti-cheating measures at all.

I am were very surprised too) If i recall correctly no one DEV insert anti-cheating measures in their games) Sierra is uniqe)

 

[hagare]

yeah, I tried doing it legit for the first half. But going in blind and seeing you fail a part because you didn't know it was gonna be affected by something else is frustrating.

So I'm gonna play as big daddy rich bucks xD
I get the appeal, but I guess it just ain't for me.

PS: Loving the wit of the game. Beats most AAA games so far xD

 

[slitherhence]

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[slitherhence]

I'm pretty sure not all scenes will be drawn, since that'd probably take months, maybe years, to properly wrap up. Sierra will probably pick up some of the key scenes for each character as well as important story ones.

Considering many webcomics (Girl Genius, Starpower, Erfworld) output high-quality art 1-2 times a week with only 3 or so artists and support themselves entirely off website ads and store sales... I think a few months would be enough to draw every sex scene in the game with at least a half dozen images each and I don't think it'd be nearly as expensive as one might think.

Not that I really care, tbh. My imagination is plenty good enough I don't actually need pictures.

 

[Waxer2Red]

Considering many webcomics (Girl Genius, Starpower, Erfworld) output high-quality art 1-2 times a week with only 3 or so artists and support themselves entirely off website ads and store sales... I think a few months would be enough to draw every sex scene in the game with at least a half dozen images each and I don't think it'd be nearly as expensive as one might think.

Not that I really care, tbh. My imagination is plenty good enough I don't actually need pictures.

Artists of that kind of skill aren't exactly common. And SL said her biggest concern was never money, but rather consistency wanting to avoid someone who would draw a few dozen images and then get bored and move on. And while there are artists who DO manage to put out artwork on a consistent basis, most of them are busy putting out artwork on a consistent basis.

Pretty much what I mean is, SL didn't want to just hire the first person who messaged her on the internet saying they'd totally could be trusted to draw all 100+ scenes of TLS, but at the same time any artist who had proved themselves in working on projects are 'too passionate' in their own work and therefore unlikely to be willing to pick up the years of work it take to do TLS. (For example imagine the reverse. If a quality artist came forward and said, "Hey SL I'm making a comic but need a writer can you spare the next 5 years for it?")

Regardless I think we got quite lucky with the artist SL has gotten.

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does good work. Though putting out the ENTIRE gallery for TLS in a few months with multiple images for each scene is pretty unlikely.

 

[slitherhence]

Artists of that kind of skill aren't exactly common. And SL said her biggest concern was never money, but rather consistency wanting to avoid someone who would draw a few dozen images and then get bored and move on. And while there are artists who DO manage to put out artwork on a consistent basis, most of them are busy putting out artwork on a consistent basis.

Pretty much what I mean is, SL didn't want to just hire the first person who messaged her on the internet saying they'd totally could be trusted to draw all 100+ scenes of TLS, but at the same time any artist who had proved themselves in working on projects are 'too passionate' in their own work and therefore unlikely to be willing to pick up the years of work it take to do TLS. (For example imagine the reverse. If a quality artist came forward and said, "Hey SL I'm making a comic but need a writer can you spare the next 5 years for it?")

Regardless I think we got quite lucky with the artist SL has gotten.

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does good work. Though putting out the ENTIRE gallery for TLS in a few months with multiple images for each scene is pretty unlikely.

Again, it's not years of work. The most recent Girl Genius update is 7 panels, each with 2-5 characters plus detailed backgrounds in each panel. That's seven highly detailed images in half of a week. And Star Power averages 4-5 pannels per page with slightly less detail but much better line work. Think about your average american comic book... 32 pages a month, also 3-6 panels per page of varying detail. The work for TLS neither needs to be that detailed nor is likely to have more than 2 characters for most images. Assuming SL wants one image per page of each scene... most scenes in TLS are 4-8 images (and that is double what most games dedicate to each scene). That's 2-3 scenes a week, likely more. So yes, a few months was poor word choice. I was thinking more like 8-10 months.

That's my main issue with what people keep saying. "Years" this and "fortune" that. That may be the case for this artist or that artist. But it's not fundamental truth. It doesn't have to be years. It doesn't have to be A year. And that doesn't have to be out of the financial reach of someone with a successful Patreon. It might be so in the case of Annikath and TLS... and that's fine... but it's not an absolute. And artists of that calibre are not that uncommon... not among professional artists. You know, the ones that will take a job and not move on out of boredom because they are paying their bills and buying their food with the income from that job? It just bugs the hell out of me to see people claiming something that is clearly not correct and then using that incorrect claim to prop up an argument.

Also I agree Annikath's art is great. I would say I'm looking forward to it but, again, I'm happy with the way the game is now and not likely to replay it just to see the art when it's added. At most I'll end up unpacking the assets archive to browse the images that way. But that's just me.

 

[Waxer2Red]

Again, it's not years of work. The most recent Girl Genius update is 7 panels, each with 2-5 characters plus detailed backgrounds in each panel. That's seven highly detailed images in half of a week. And Star Power averages 4-5 pannels per page with slightly less detail but much better line work. Think about your average american comic book... 32 pages a month, also 3-6 panels per page of varying detail. The work for TLS neither needs to be that detailed nor is likely to have more than 2 characters for most images. Assuming SL wants one image per page of each scene... most scenes in TLS are 4-8 images (and that is double what most games dedicate to each scene). That's 2-3 scenes a week, likely more. So yes, a few months was poor word choice. I was thinking more like 8-10 months.

That's my main issue with what people keep saying. "Years" this and "fortune" that. That may be the case for this artist or that artist. But it's not fundamental truth. It doesn't have to be years. It doesn't have to be A year. And that doesn't have to be out of the financial reach of someone with a successful Patreon. It might be so in the case of Annikath and TLS... and that's fine... but it's not an absolute. And artists of that calibre are not that uncommon... not among professional artists. You know, the ones that will take a job and not move on out of boredom because they are paying their bills and buying their food with the income from that job? It just bugs the hell out of me to see people claiming something that is clearly not correct and then using that incorrect claim to prop up an argument.

Also I agree Annikath's art is great. I would say I'm looking forward to it but, again, I'm happy with the way the game is now and not likely to replay it just to see the art when it's added. At most I'll end up unpacking the assets archive to browse the images that way. But that's just me.

Sorry but you are WAY off base in almost all of your argument. Your average american comic book is not a one man (or in TLS case woman) operation. Any comic book or manga is made by at least one head artist and a team of three to four assistants helping with shadings and the such. All of them working full time 8 hours a day.

Secondly, I don't know how much money you think SL makes off her patron but it's not a fortune. It's less then $5,000 grand a month if you account for how much patron takes there own cut. And since this is certainly is her full time job, you have to subtract all dental, tax, health, rent, food, and other necessities from that.

With that in mind I VERY much doubt SL is able to pay more then $1000 dollars a month towards Annikath for art. And even that is a VERY generous estimate. And accounting for Annikaths own dental, tax, health, rent, food, and other necessities, I very much doubt she is able to take on this project as anything more then part time work.

And lastly keep in mind at this stage art for TLS is very doubtful to bring in that many new patrons to the last sovereign. So SL is quite literally paying for this out of her own pocket for likely a net loss, so don't act like she should ought to be paying for a full comic book team to make artwork for you.

 

[slitherhence]

Sorry but you are WAY off base in almost all of your argument. Your average american comic book is not a one man (or in TLS case woman) operation. Any comic book or manga is made by at least one head artist and a team of three to four assistants helping with shadings and the such. All of them working full time 8 hours a day.

Secondly, I don't know how much money you think SL makes off her patron but it's not a fortune. It's less then $5,000 grand a month if you account for how much patron takes there own cut. And since this is certainly is her full time job, you have to subtract all dental, tax, health, rent, food, and other necessities from that.

With that in mind I VERY much doubt SL is able to pay more then $1000 dollars a month towards Annikath for art. And even that is a VERY generous estimate. And accounting for Annikaths own dental, tax, health, rent, food, and other necessities, I very much doubt she is able to take on this project as anything more then part time work.

And lastly keep in mind at this stage art for TLS is very doubtful to bring in that many new patrons to the last sovereign. So SL is quite literally paying for this out of her own pocket for likely a net loss, so don't act like she should ought to be paying for a full comic book team to make artwork for you.

For the third (3rd) time: I don't want art for this game. I like it the way it is. And I'm explictely not arguing SL should do anything more or less than they already are. So trying to make this about me being entitled is just more of you trying to twist facts to fit your narrative. Bottom line is that what you claim is impossible is something I witness being accomplished a dozen times every week and have done for almost a decade now. That's the whole issue for me. And you've not addressed anything I've said except to claim, incorrectly, that american comics are drawn by large teams (they usualy have 2-3 artists)... never mind that I've given examples of a single artist pulling it off with a shoestring budget. Since you have clearly decided to throw integrity out the window and turn hostile this'll be my stop.

 

[manscout]

Didn't see anyone calling names here so I don't know where this argument turned "hostile", but regardless, the point about comic book art being the same and done cheaper/faster really doesn't hold up. The average comic book panel is a tiny image with partial-body shots standing in simple poses, the low resolution allows artists to cut all kinds of corners in terms of lighting and level of detail, it is really unfair to compare the average comic book panel with Annikath's work, which tends to be high resolution full-body shots in erotic poses (and if anything you were making it sound the average comic book panel was more work than a full CG because it has random low-detail stuff in the background sometimes). I'm not gonna get into if a full comic page is more work or not than a CG since at that point I think it becomes about the artist's skillset and preference, but a single average panel is not even a contest.

Also, it is a bit pointless to bring in "professional artists" into the discussion, how many of them are willing to do commissioned pornographic work? Annikath is not a co-creator here. Also Sierra's income from TLS is just the patreon, the webcomics you mentioned are not running solely on patreon, they have ads on their websites, physical sales in conventions, merchandise, mainstream recognition and appeal, that stuff adds up. It is too apples to oranges to derive any simple conclusions from, if instead you compare to other adult artists working on commission, then the estimates of it taking over a year and being expensive make a lot more sense.

 

[Fulminato]

Is their a way to cheat the percents of funds remaining in the house of petions in the court and slums?

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variable 73 (discretionary) and 167 (slum discretionary)

 

[maddrd]

thanks

 

[kailius]

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[Zaq Reman]

How do I use these ?

Right-click, copy image location, go to https://f95zone.to/account/signature, click in that text box, ctrl-P, ctrl-v, save.

Edit: optionally, then click on that image, click Link on the far right, and paste in https://f95zone.to/threads/the-last-sovereign-v0-48-2-sierra-lee.616/ to make your signature a link to the OP of this thread.

 

[maddrd]

How to get the fourteenth guy on forging ties says it is order mage but can't find him on govern yihin 3?

 

[Fulminato]

How to get the fourteenth guy on forging ties says it is order mage but can't find him on govern yihin 3?

is a "she". but she appear (located near the exit of order ground) only after robin complete "yhilin magic" research project.

 

[maddrd]

Ia

is a "she". but she appear (located near the exit of order ground) only after robin complete "yhilin magic" research project.

I at the end of govern yihlin 3 and have qum's project researching only have one more research and that is the magic research is it still possible to complete?

 

[Darkhorn]

I at the end of govern yihlin 3 and have qum's project researching only have one more research and that is the magic research is it still possible to complete?

Robin must complete Order Trials right after you visiting Zirantia. Later (after Eustrin) it's not possible. To that point you must finish all Order research.

 

[Fulminato]

I at the end of govern yihlin 3 and have qum's project researching only have one more research and that is the magic research is it still possible to complete?

qum research will take the '3.5' iteration, not the '3'. if you obtain aka spell during simon's route you are fine, all research can be done. if you not i STRONGLY advice to block qum research and complete all the 'normal' research project.

Robin must complete Order Trials right after you visiting Zirantia. Later (after Eustrin) it's not possible. To that point you must finish all Order research.

the mage 'candidate' for yarra quest don't need to complete the trial. only "yhilin magic" a project you can pick before the ardford summit (if you recover aka spell, obv.)

 

[Darkhorn]

qum research will take the '3.5' iteration, not the '3'. if you obtain aka spell during simon's route you are fine, all research can be done. if you not i STRONGLY advice to block qum research and complete all the 'normal' research project.

I disagree! Qum's research is important for aftermath of 3AW! You need it to prevent some bad consequenses) That research can't kick off (better f**k Dari and Unpeople if you don't have Aka's spell)

the mage 'candidate' for yarra quest don't need to complete the trial. only "yhilin magic" a project you can pick before the ardford summit (if you recover aka spell, obv.)

But she appears when Robin make attempt to do the Trials.
Well, maybe i'm wrong here, and you are right. I never have real problems with this vulunteer. She always appears at the same point)

 

[Fulminato]

I disagree! Qum's research is important for aftermath of 3AW! You need it to prevent some bad consequenses) That research can't kick off (better f**k Dari and Unpeople if you don't have Aka's spell)

not complete all the researchs projects will block robin special project in the end of chapter 3, this is a huge hindrance in a couple of important sections in chapter four. missing the qum bomb is a pittance in comparison.

But she appears when Robin make attempt to do the Trials.
Well, maybe i'm wrong here, and you are right. I never have real problems with this vulunteer. She always appears at the same point)

the condition for the volunteer is "yhilin govern 2" started and "yhilin magic" researched. when both are true she appear.