3D Reaver

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not what you mean, but it's what you had said. i think yous should reevaluate your words, or your thinking.

the mechanism of jealousy require a sense of property, and the fact you substitute the main character withyourslef.
Its not what i said though... thats what you understood from my words "identifying with the MC".
again the discussion changes to pointless technicalities

Identifying with a character means feeling an affinity toward the character that is so strong that we become absorbed in the text and come to an empathic understanding for the feelings the character experiences, and for his or her motives and goals, so em your supposed to understand what Simon is thinking or feeling
at least your understand what i meant. the problem is that i can not and i do not want to get into the mindset of someone like that.

I don't understand why you would try to rationalize what is happening though. My involuntary reaction is disgust. Its not a issue of a it making sense or not.

I'l just ignore the thread because as always the discussion goes nowhere and it would be so much simpler and cleaner to just be upfront with what is present in the game.
 

Snugglepuff

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You do understand that we are supposed to identify with the main character right ?
There's a big difference between a character that we can identify with, and with them being our own personal self-insert that we then blur the lines of reality and rationality to appease fragile egos.
People can identify with Peter Parker. No one gets taken seriously if they cry to others about how their Aunt May was dying so they made a deal with The Devil to save her life at the cost of warping reality to remove the entirety of their marriage to their wife Mary Jane Watson.

Your level of personal involvement to the point of jealousy over fictional characters doing things that make sense with both the characters in question, and the world presented, is at best unhealthy and at worst delusional to the point of requiring psychiatric care.
 
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Evangelion-01

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I'l just ignore the thread because as always the discussion goes nowhere and it would be so much simpler and cleaner to just be upfront with what is present in the game.
If you had taken the time to check the tags there is "cheating", "swinging" and "group sex".
The game doesn't have NTR, you wanting the game to be tagged that way is the main problem, just check ALL Tags before you complain and there won't be "unnecessary" discussions
 

Fulminato

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Its not what i said though... thats what you understood from my words "identifying with the MC".
again the discussion changes to pointless technicalities
you are the one asking adding a tag to the game.
this is a discussion of technicalities, over the definition of the "real" meaning of the tag (no genere can be defined axiomatically, so there alwasy some room of justified dissent) and you started it.

but the thing you are questioning is well beyond this justified space. the thing you want come from the thinking of sharing "my girls" with someone. but they aren't your girls, they are simon's one. it's simon decision to allow or not. because there protagonist of this game isn't a self insert character. yes you can identifying with him, you are not him.
 

muschi26

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you are the one asking adding a tag to the game.
this is a discussion of technicalities, over the definition of the "real" meaning of the tag (no genere can be defined axiomatically, so there alwasy some room of justified dissent) and you started it.

but the thing you are questioning is well beyond this justified space. the thing you want come from the thinking of sharing "my girls" with someone. but they aren't your girls, they are simon's one. it's simon decision to allow or not. because there protagonist of this game isn't a self insert character. yes you can identifying with him, you are not him.
This is obviously an extreme example, but imagine in the coming updates, every one of "Simon's girls" left him for some other chad, and the rest of the game was focused on humiliation content, wherein it's hammered home how much Simon is a "beta cuck" yadda yadda yadda. Now, whether you personally would nope out of there or continue playing, it goes without saying that the purpose of such content would be titillation, and for this to work, the kink assumes and relies on the fact that you, the player, identify with Simon. It wouldn't be a kink otherwise. I don't get cucked if Amber Heard cheats on Johnny Depp, ergo I couldn't experience a cuckold fetish out out of it.

The same applies to the swinging in this game. The point of porn is titillation, and so swinging scenes are meant to please those who like swinging, because those people identify with Simon, and therefore take part in the swinging by proxy. So it's natural that someone who isn't into swinging would be put off by it. Some people might play this game stoically, as "Yes Chad" going, "Hmm, yes, it is natural that a succubus would indeed sleep with other men, because since the 17th century succubi have always represented…" but that's not the point of a porn game, or even fiction in general. It's supposed to make you feel something, and to feel something you have to invest yourself in it.

That being said, if the game has swinging, it has swinging lol, that's just the dev's choice: deal with it. As others have pointed out, it's tagged.
 
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Fulminato

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This is obviously an extreme example, but imagine in the coming updates, every one of "Simon's girls" left him for some other chad, and the rest of the game was focused on humiliation content, wherein it's hammered home how much Simon is a "beta cuck" yadda yadda yadda. Now, whether you personally would nope out of there or continue playing, it goes without saying that the purpose of such content would be titillation, and for this to work, the kink assumes and relies on the fact that you, the player, identify with Simon. It wouldn't be a kink otherwise. I don't get cucked if Amber Heard cheats on Johnny Depp, ergo I couldn't experience a cuckold fetish out out of it.
but well... there is nothing in the game even remotely like this. if the story will shift like this... probably a ntr tag will be due. but because it isn't no tag is needed.

and we are in the last strech of the game, will be a sucidal change the tone of the game at this point.
not impossibile, but i can think a lot of things more with an high probability to happen, like half life (episode) 3. if you do know what i mean

The same applies to the swinging in this game. The point of porn is titillation, and so swinging scenes are meant to please those who like swinging, because those people identify with Simon, and therefore take part in the swinging by proxy. So it's natural that someone who isn't into swinging would be put off by it. Some people might play this game stoically, as "Yes Chad" going, "Hmm, yes, it is natural that a succubus would indeed sleep with other men, because since the 17th century succubi have always represented…" but that's not the point of a porn game, or even fiction in general. It's supposed to make you feel something, and to feel something you have to invest yourself in it.
no, this isn't true, this reasoning is true for the self insert protagonist type of game, but we already stated TLS isn't that type of game, some content can be totaly off for some people regardless the amount of identification with the protagonist. anyone had them, a list of thing they cannot even stand and watch without feel repulsion. obviously any game with content related this list will be unplayable for them, and this is right and good. personal taste are in a realm beyond any reasoning, so interact with them with some reasonable talk is pointless. if i hate seafood... i hate it. there isn't a 'reason' beyond it, often the mere "smell" of seafood nauseate me. this mean there is a problem for other eating it? no, simply isn't my cup of tea, and nothing more. [the extra fun fact is there are very few selected seafood recipe i can actualy eat, it's basically crazy, but this is the reality]

to return on the matter of the discussion, if anyone get revulsed by some sharing content in TLS no one can tell them "you are wrong, you should enjoy it". because that it's how they feel for that content, but a total different situation if they came and say "i hate ntr, i hate this game, so it must labeled ntr". it's a little deformed view of reality they have.

tag are label, label mean definition, better definition and better undestraning of that definition it's only a positive thing to do.
and because this type of definition spurn any axiomatic formulation they alwasy became hot topic with a lot thing write/said
and on top of this there are some thing usualy one can even enjoy, chaning in a intollerable light by the context they are placed, muddling the water more.
 

Dqslime

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tl;dr This game does not contain the specific definition of NTR and therefore does not need to be labeled as such. Let‘s just end it there.

As for identifying with Simon… I suppose this and any other porn game that doesn’t allow you to name your character is basically a voyeur thing right? Maybe it’s just me but I don’t identify with the male actor when I watch porn… Not really a discussion that has any real importance though. Whether you live vicariously through Simon or not, does it really matter?

Instead, we should complain about the Incubus Prison.
 

Goi

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least your understand what i meant. the problem is that i can not and i do not want to get into the mindset of someone like that.

I don't understand why you would try to rationalize what is happening though. My involuntary reaction is disgust. Its not a issue of a it making sense or not.


I mean I was agreeing with Fulminato also calling Simon a cuck is just straight up wrong wether you don’t like swinging is another matter and is 100% up to you because like people say the game is 100% upfront with what is in it with the tags that are there already they cover what you have an issue with love interest willing to sleep with those outside the relationship aka an open relationship


I have to agree though in my case any type of content I can’t see myself as a character though I identify somewhat as someone else and how they think

the incubus prison was well, it was thing
 

lop333

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Its not what i said though... thats what you understood from my words "identifying with the MC".
again the discussion changes to pointless technicalities


at least your understand what i meant. the problem is that i can not and i do not want to get into the mindset of someone like that.

I don't understand why you would try to rationalize what is happening though. My involuntary reaction is disgust. Its not a issue of a it making sense or not.

I'l just ignore the thread because as always the discussion goes nowhere and it would be so much simpler and cleaner to just be upfront with what is present in the game.
> Insert the monologue about how fucked up and wrong you are because you feel a degree of possessiveness towards the character you care about. in a fucking game that goes out of its way to insult 90% of the genre it putting itself in.

I kinda get why this dude is mad. Lets be real not everyone reads ALL the tags before downloading the porn game they just look at the few they like and download it, this game kinda bases itself on the whole bait and switch in the first place. I see nothing wrong about getting disgusted with the whole swing thing when its sus in the first place how it happens, kinda fails the whole point of reforming the succubi.
On one hand everyone should read the tags but on the other, its kinda jarring in a game that is a commentary on hentai games. In a way that some may not like.
 
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MangaKing

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Man, I'm really liking the "IW Airships" music, I couldn't find it online, did he make it or something?
 

Dqslime

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I see nothing wrong about getting disgusted with the whole swing thing when its sus in the first place how it happens, kinda fails the whole point of reforming the succubi.
Well, the point of "reforming" the succubi was never to stop them from having copious amounts of sex. It was mostly to get them to stop raping people and instead have copious amounts of consensual sex. I think the only rape scenes containing a succubi that actually matters (fuck the background characters) are when Simon gets reverse raped by Riala and then Esthera... Well the point is, reforming them was never gonna stop the orgies.

Man, I'm really liking the "IW Airships" music, I couldn't find it online, did he make it or something?
I think there's a page on the wiki that contains the names of all the music Sierra uses and their sources. You could probably just google "The Last Sovereign soundtrack" or something and it'll pop up.
 
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I'm stuck in the infested house in chapter 1, can't get to the last bit of loot. Can I return there later in the chapter, or in another chapter, and the shining sword will still be there? Can't beat 3 spiders at once. Done all the other quests in town.
 
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I'm stuck in the infested house in chapter 1, can't get to the last bit of loot. Can I return there later in the chapter, or in another chapter, and the shining sword will still be there? Can't beat 3 spiders at once. Done all the other quests in town.
No unfortunately it's now or never but It's not required to get in order to progress
 

Evangelion-01

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I'm stuck in the infested house in chapter 1, can't get to the last bit of loot. Can I return there later in the chapter, or in another chapter, and the shining sword will still be there? Can't beat 3 spiders at once. Done all the other quests in town.
It's doable, but you might need to switch your team up abit.
Also you should notice that even defeated Team members recieve Exp on victory.
I don't remember how I managed that battle since it had been a long time but you can definately win it without cheating
 

pilot24

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I using Hilstara here and also 4 thief pins, which grants immunity to poison. Stun with Simon AOE spiders. Aka and Robin to deal damage. use Robin to heal. And Simon. Hilstara to aggro and tank spiders.
 
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The 2 small spiders are the problem. They both hit twice. Simon usually gets out sped by the big one, so it still gets 1 spray off before being silenced. Haven't got any pins, though.
 

pilot24

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You can buy pins. But each cost 1100. Also Hilsstara wits Tower shield is god tank. Casr Shieldwall. Also you may change Aka to Quim. For extra healing.
 

Slybeast99

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Does anyone know why they changed the investment page on the wiki with this.

I get that it has more information but I am way to use to the old version and I had that favorited but now it just goes to the new page and I can't find the old one anymore.

Just in case this need more context there is the one I just linked and one that was sort of structured like the walkthrough.
 
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