RPGM The Last Sovereign [v0.77.2] [Sierra Lee]

[Bonercat]

his grudge for the bartender are in the edgy action "i am gonna kill you for daring selling alcohol to feroholm and insult me for not buying your beer despite someone else will fill up the business after your death shortly after" kind of way, rather than simply not accepting apology for his wife death.

oh yeah also you claim "Killing him didn't resolve the problem but it at least stopped it for how ever short amount of time it was" but simon already raid all his alcohol anyway he pretty much stopped the bartender business "however short amount of time it was" hence his speech of "he was a symptom of a bigger problem" sound like coping when seeing another takeover the bartender business, not considering how extreme his method are when there clearly many alternative option like i have mention, hence my impression at that time the tone or story was mean to be edgy until sierra change it.

in before another reply without actually fully comprehend my comment again with the same copy paste of "he was ruthless because he was weak and have no option boohoo but after he get strong he can do his power fantasy yaay!! suck suck!" which i called bullshit as alternative method already exist when yarra and aka was there.

realistically they would though, considering feroholm are full of alcoholic, they would notice such pile of alcohol taken into a wagon which was such a shore thumb in such place where merchant dont pass by due to being poor place, and especially when their provider get killed and out of business for them to get their alcohol. not considering it still have the church base and guard located there to maintain order (i am not expect them to capture the culprit but the church can certainly add a bounty to the criminal).

yeah, hence why i questioning why early simon even bring altina to such place and accompanied by the hero, simon are pretty thoughless and heartless in the beginning. he can do just fine with only him and the hero as a wrangler to the hero antic, and he wont have any sympathy or depression when the asshole hero die like other has mention. and as i mentioned before the reason it was like that are probably the tone of the story are mean to be dark edgy until sierra change the course or the tone of the story.

 

[Fulminato]

his grudge for the bartender are in the edgy action "i am gonna kill you for daring selling alcohol to feroholm and insult me for not buying your beer despite someone else will fill up the business after your death shortly after" kind of way, rather than simply not accepting apology for his wife death.

no?

 

[manscout]

his grudge for the bartender are in the edgy action "i am gonna kill you for daring selling alcohol to feroholm and insult me for not buying your beer despite someone else will fill up the business after your death shortly after" kind of way, rather than simply not accepting apology for his wife death.

oh yeah also you claim "Killing him didn't resolve the problem but it at least stopped it for how ever short amount of time it was" but simon already raid all his alcohol anyway he pretty much stopped the bartender business "however short amount of time it was" hence his speech of "he was a symptom of a bigger problem" sound like coping when seeing another takeover the bartender business, not considering how extreme his method are when there clearly many alternative option like i have mention, hence my impression at that time the tone or story was mean to be edgy until sierra change it.

in before another reply without actually fully comprehend my comment again with the same copy paste of "he was ruthless because he was weak and have no option boohoo but after he get strong he can do his power fantasy yaay!! suck suck!" which i called bullshit as alternative method already exist when yarra and aka was there.

realistically they would though, considering feroholm are full of alcoholic, they would notice such pile of alcohol taken into a wagon which was such a shore thumb in such place where merchant dont pass by due to being poor place, and especially when their provider get killed and out of business for them to get their alcohol. not considering it still have the church base and guard located there to maintain order (i am not expect them to capture the culprit but the church can certainly add a bounty to the criminal).

Simon did not kill the bartender just because he insulted him, Simon brushes off people that insult him all the time during the story. The insults and other generally scummy dialogue by the first bartender are there to quickly establish that he is very aware of the negative impact his business has on Feroholm, but he is just an asshole and simply does not care about the harm he causes, so cut the whole "poor unlucky bartender who was simply selling alcohol with no ill-intent and just happened to come across that psycho old man Simon sob-sob".

Simon killed the bartender because he needed his stock and because he did not care about keeping the bartender alive, no different from how he kills bandits to defend himself and because he does not care to spare them. Or are you going to say the story is edgy because of that and it should instead have Simon take down every single bandit exclusively through non-lethal means and then Yarra does her magic to make every bandit turn themselves in to the authorities?

I agree illusion magic is poorly established, specially early on. The other thing I have seen pointed out is why didn't Yarra use her illusion magic to disguise herself as Qum so we could send Yarra (who was much more willing) to work on the brothel instead of Qum? Maybe Yarra's magic just isn't that strong early on, she can mostly just disguise herself and throw people on sexual stupors and she only learns to do more as she gets stronger. Or maybe Yarra at that point in the story is strongly trying to influence Simon into becoming more ruthless and reckless, like her idea of what an Incubus King should be, so she wouldn't offer to use her powers just so Simon can morally solve everything with magic without ever getting his hands dirty.

And I also do agree the story shifts direction a bit and mostly shies away from morally conflicting actions later on. I'd say the big turning point is probably the 3AW since optimal saves can easily get through that without taking any ruthless actions (never have to raid, only "edgy" action I can remember would probably be having Mestan kill the Aram commander that was going against our war plans). The argument of Simon being more responsible with his power doesn't even show up until late into chapter 5 either, and while I do think it is a good explanation for some of it, I do also think the story softened up first and found an explanation for it later.

But I don't think Simon's character was ever meant to be "edgy" like you are saying, where it is implied he is hiding a darker side, just that the story itself got less "edgy" with how it wanted conflicts to be solved and things to pan out as a reward for players with optimized playthroughs.

yeah, hence why i questioning why early simon even bring altina to such place and accompanied by the hero, simon are pretty thoughless and heartless in the beginning. he can do just fine with only him and the hero as a wrangler to the hero antic, and he wont have any sympathy or depression when the asshole hero die like other has mention. and as i mentioned before the reason it was like that are probably the tone of the story are mean to be dark edgy until sierra change the course or the tone of the story.

We don't know why Altina was there but I really doubt Simon requested her to be there, maybe she volunteered because she wanted to work with Chosen, maybe Simon received orders from the church to let her tag along so she could get some combat experience.

But the important thing to remember is that the prologue mission in the Withered Fortress was never meant to be dangerous, it was supposed to just be a mostly empty hovel of straggled deserters of the IK's army, a really easy task, specially for Kai who was one of the stronger Chosen Simon ever got to work with. Simon lies about it being dangerous or it being a potential base of the Incubus King's army because Chosen are all extremely arrogant and get offended if they are being sent on training missions instead of whatever is the most important task available.

If it had gone as expected, Simon would have probably used Altina's help as a way of convincing Kai that working as team is an important skill for him to learn, and then either kept Altina around for the easier missions or requested that the church relocate her to some other work before she got into harm's way. Things only went really badly because Riala laid a trap there with herself plus a couple of elite succubi, specifically to catch Simon, using information from spies she had within the church, it was something completely unexpected and that Simon couldn't prepare for.

 

[Goi]

Also a point to remember is Altina would have surpassed Simon as combat capable very quickly because she had a lot of potential, similar to how Simon had so many people pass him as fighters with much less effort.

But yeah was meant to be an easy mission to the point mr might straight up run of a cliff to death, as the record holder for fastest death of chosen did would survive.

 

[Bonercat]

no?

nothing wrong for hoping the situation getting worse to exploit willing buyer its not like he deliberately sabotage it himself to make it worse it just simple cruel business, he definitely not "poor unlucky bartender who was simply selling alcohol with no ill-intent and just happened to come across that psycho old man Simon sob-sob" but he do not deserved to be killed though but acceptable for me for simon to simply raid his alcohol that can make him out of business for a while, but i say early simon certainly quite psycho with his extreme method.

"because he did not care about keeping the bartender alive" but he should care not to kill the bartender a "civilian" though because as i has say previously "realistically that action should make him into an easy culprit and wanted criminal (rather than simple burglary which with yarra seduction to distract the owner or magic should be easy to resolved) which can result in him getting exposed or getting painted as target which he supposed to not want to happen" the bartender are not simple bandit, also i remember we even get an option to spare a bandit actually so we can get better loot.

huh true you remind me another point where early simon can be heartless to sell Qum to the brothel with no alternative method atleast it was optionable.

""But I don't think Simon's character was ever meant to be "edgy" like you are saying, where it is implied he is hiding a darker side, just that the story itself got less "edgy" with how it wanted conflicts to be solved and things to pan out as a reward for players with optimized playthroughs" yeah thats the part i mean as edgy in the earlier simon more about his "questionable extreme action" not simon personality specifically outside of his grudge that can goes pretty dark though.

still simon can refuse altina to join the party or request a male companion to the church instead, and get the same result about the value of teamwork while enduring the hero antic and insult, without risking female companion become the hero sex victim, also the risk still there however small it is hence simon failure due to him underestimating the Withered Fortress but a defensible fortress nonetheless with an army station there, should have hired a mercenary from the beginning to increase their chance of success though or goes to the forest mission.

 

[DistantNeko]

nothing wrong for hoping the situation getting worse to exploit willing buyer its not like he deliberately sabotage it himself to make it worse it just simple cruel business, he definitely not "poor unlucky bartender who was simply selling alcohol with no ill-intent and just happened to come across that psycho old man Simon sob-sob" but he do not deserved to be killed though but acceptable for me for simon to simply raid his alcohol that can make him out of business for a while, but i say early simon certainly quite psycho with his extreme method.

"because he did not care about keeping the bartender alive" but he should care not to kill the bartender a "civilian" though because as i has say previously "realistically that action should make him into an easy culprit and wanted criminal (rather than simple burglary which with yarra seduction to distract the owner or magic should be easy to resolved) which can result in him getting exposed or getting painted as target which he supposed to not want to happen" the bartender are not simple bandit, also i remember we even get an option to spare a bandit actually so we can get better loot.

huh true you remind me another point where early simon can be heartless to sell Qum to the brothel with no alternative method atleast it was optionable.

""But I don't think Simon's character was ever meant to be "edgy" like you are saying, where it is implied he is hiding a darker side, just that the story itself got less "edgy" with how it wanted conflicts to be solved and things to pan out as a reward for players with optimized playthroughs" yeah thats the part i mean as edgy in the earlier simon more about his "questionable extreme action" not simon personality specifically outside of his grudge that can goes pretty dark though.

still simon can refuse altina to join the party or request a male companion to the church instead, and get the same result about the value of teamwork while enduring the hero antic and insult, without risking female companion become the hero sex victim, also the risk still there however small it is hence simon failure due to him underestimating the Withered Fortress but a defensible fortress nonetheless with an army station there, should have hired a mercenary from the beginning to increase their chance of success though or goes to the forest mission.

You do realize and understand that Simon canonically has killed people (probably several? Many if we're counting Orcs and Succubi) as a result from being involved in the war as a soldier, right? Whether someone is a "civilian" or not hardly maters when one is committing acts that Simon would consider in bad faith and down right harmful to the people around them. Better to kill that person to alleviate the problem in the short-term then to do nothing about it.

Simon would 100% kill someone (or leave them to their demise) if he sees no good/practical benefit in keeping them alive (The Impaler is one such example with his raiding and Simon using stopping it to use to his advantage) or if keeping them alive would cause more harm then it would do good (simply killing the Impaler). And such has been shown throughout the story plenty of times.

And again, Feroholm was pretty poor/back water. Judging by the NPC's reactions, they really didn't care for each other in individual/personal level like that. It wouldn't mater to him or the others in that place if the bartender were to go missing or were to be replaced.

Also, Simon thought only the Chosen were able to defeat the Incubus King with their power. At that point in the story, he did not see, nor realistically (emphasis on realistic) believe anyone had a chance of taking them down other than the Chosen.

Simon was a nobody/he was poor, he didn't have money to hire a mercenary much less a mercenary group. He simply tried to make do with what he had (despite how fruitless he thought it was.) And if he did have such money, you need to remember that he was also paying for Robin's tuition at the time.

But as the other commenter said, Simon believed it to be a relatively deserted base of IK deserters. Not to have his planning undermined because someone way above him (at the time) had something else in store and compromised his plans (with hum unknowing). He did not underestimate anything to make it clear.

I wouldn't call his early actions edgy though and more along the lines of someone who would be willing to almost do anything to further his goal of defeating the Incubus King if it wasn't extremely abhorrent or he had a way of eternally justifying it. Such examples being: Letting Varia's rape happen/dominating her, the potential loss of Civilians for his Doom Plan namely Battle of Yhinlin, supporting the extermination of Orcs, letting Altina be a cocksleeve, using Trin's power on certain people, raiding the Chalice states during the 3AW and so on.

The goals/moral compass Simon has is certainly good. Though the actions he did to get where he was before things were stable certainly wasn't all sunshine and rainbows (but war isn't all sunshine and rainbows o begin with to be fair). And he's pretty manipulative in pursuit of his goals as others have stated within the story too.

 

[mahligl]

Alright, when there was a trolling dude, it was funnier. Still interesting, though.

 

[Bonercat]

sigh.... you clearly try to twist my comment again or purposely misunderstand it to create an argument.

theres nothing wrong for simon killing bandit and orc am i complaining about that? no. but cmon... killing civilian with such reason are extreme and counter intuitive to his objective to remain anonymous at that time. also "down right harmful to the people around them" what? for selling alcohol he deserve to die? even though he already raid his alcohol to the brim? not considering he dont force the customer to buy his alcohol or anything, "Simon would 100% kill someone (or leave them to their demise) if he sees no good/practical benefit in keeping them alive" and again what practical benefit killing the dude do? not long after someone take over and do the business again anyway and simon dare to say "he was a symptom of a bigger problem" what a nonsense coping.

as i say "realistically" it would matter if they saw someone haul lots of alcohol from the tavern to a wagon that so stick out in such place, also they would care when the provider of alcohol they crave for is no more since theres a lots of alcoholic in feroholm. hence i think it feel so nonsense at that time.

when i mean mercenary someone like aka or individual mercenary which simon apparently can afford to hire not an army.

"Simon believed it to be a relatively deserted base of IK deserters" thats what i called underestimating, not considering the element of the defensible fortress, you know the reason ppl build fortress because you can defend it with relatively smaller army right? also fortress probably have many trap anyway to usher infiltrator.

i have no complain about simon guide or accompany the hero though, just he need to consider the female companion (the friend one like altina not stranger disposable mercenary like aka at that time as an example) become a victim or make party control to only hire male companion.

"I wouldn't call his early actions edgy though and more along the lines of someone who would be willing to almost do anything to further his goal of defeating the Incubus King if it wasn't extremely abhorrent or he had a way of eternally justifying it. Such examples being: Letting Varia's rape happen/dominating her, the potential loss of Civilians for his Doom Plan namely Battle of Yhinlin, supporting the extermination of Orcs, letting Altina be a cocksleeve, using Trin's power on certain people, raiding the Chalice states during the 3AW and so on."
meanwhile for me personally your description make it sound even dark edgy though, and agree that simon are manipulative dont take his word for granted and think he speak the truth.

 

[DistantNeko]

sigh.... you clearly try to twist my comment again or purposely misunderstand it to create an argument.

theres nothing wrong for simon killing bandit and orc am i complaining about that? no. but cmon... killing civilian with such reason are extreme and counter intuitive to his objective to remain anonymous at that time. also "down right harmful to the people around them" what? for selling alcohol he deserve to die? even though he already raid his alcohol to the brim? not considering he dont force the customer to buy his alcohol or anything, "Simon would 100% kill someone (or leave them to their demise) if he sees no good/practical benefit in keeping them alive" and again what practical benefit killing the dude do? not long after someone take over and do the business again anyway and simon dare to say "he was a symptom of a bigger problem" what a nonsense coping.

as i say "realistically" it would matter if they saw someone haul lots of alcohol from the tavern to a wagon that so stick out in such place, also they would care when the provider of alcohol they crave for is no more since theres a lots of alcoholic in feroholm. hence i think it feel so nonsense at that time.

when i mean mercenary someone like aka or individual mercenary which simon apparently can afford to hire not an army.

"Simon believed it to be a relatively deserted base of IK deserters" thats what i called underestimating, not considering the element of the defensible fortress, you know the reason ppl build fortress because you can defend it with relatively smaller army right? also fortress probably have many trap anyway to usher infiltrator.

i have no complain about simon guide or accompany the hero though, just he need to consider the female companion (the friend one like altina not stranger disposable mercenary like aka at that time as an example) become a victim or make party control to only hire male companion.

"I wouldn't call his early actions edgy though and more along the lines of someone who would be willing to almost do anything to further his goal of defeating the Incubus King if it wasn't extremely abhorrent or he had a way of eternally justifying it. Such examples being: Letting Varia's rape happen/dominating her, the potential loss of Civilians for his Doom Plan namely Battle of Yhinlin, supporting the extermination of Orcs, letting Altina be a cocksleeve, using Trin's power on certain people, raiding the Chalice states during the 3AW and so on."
meanwhile for me personally your description make it sound even dark edgy though, and agree that simon are manipulative dont take his word for granted and think he speak the truth.

I feel like you're focusing too hard on the civilian part, when it doesn't really matter or isn't relevant at all.

That bartender was sleazy and was indeed part of a problem that was making Feroholm more of a shithole then it needed to be. Even if killing him was a temporary solution, keeping him alive had zero upside whatsoever.

He even agreed (or took part in) of assassination of Nobles (who are civilians) that would have hindered the Doomed King plan/Yhinlin or oppose the Queen in general. (These novels so attempted the same against the queen).

So no, it's not really extreme at all and lines up and makes sense that Simon would do such acts. It would only be "extreme" if you were trying to apply our values of extreme to their world which makes no sense to begin with.

You assume they hauled the Alcohol into the wagon during a time in which people could see it but that doesn't seem like it was the case.

Again, he didn't underestimate nothing. You can't call it underestimating when someone subverts the expectation of what should be. Underestimating that fortress would be to just throw the Chosen one into it by himself and not ad a group.

What occurred at the prolouge was the enemy using spies to subvert the expected (Stated by Riala as such), not underestimating the enemy (Simon is a veteran to begin with it makes zero sense he would underestimate this).

Also wouldn't matter if the prolouge companion at the start at was male because it just would have been another death (aka, the gender is irrelevant and the outcome would have been the same regardless).

Wouldn't call it edgy and just the reality of the world they live in. It's not all sunshine and rainbows after all.

 

[Bonercat]

you are focus on to much on fanboying simon that you purposely ignore or purposely misunderstood many of my comment again" killing civilian with such reason are extreme and counter intuitive to his objective to remain anonymous at that time"

"That bartender was sleazy and was indeed part of a problem that was making Feroholm more of a shithole then it needed to be. Even if killing him was a temporary solution, keeping him alive had zero upside whatsoever. " oh~ but simon say he is a "symptom" of a bigger problem not a "problem", see just being sleazy as businessmen make him killed by simon like it personal for him, despite theres no benefit whatsoever to feroholm or to himself and realistically should paint him as wanted criminal hence the early nonsense part that i agree with the previous commenter as example.

yeah a "problematic rebel noble" where he want to take over yhilin from, do i complain about that? it seems more that you are the one focus on to much on the "civilian" word than me and make it broader than me focus on the bartender case, though to be honest i wont called this rebel noble as civilian though, even real world military wont categorize them as civilian when they deliberately sent assassin and attempt in military coup. oh yeah it also help that the queen was on their side to keep them stay anonymous.

"he didn't underestimate nothing. You can't call it underestimating when someone subverts the expectation of what should be" uhm...thats what underestimating are because its not what he expect it to be, hence why i say he should goes to the forest mission rather than jump to the fortress, also aka are valuable to notice a trap the outcome may change by not falling into the "fortress trap" that make them cant escape, also still better fate than being rape and become cocksleeve breeding stock (without consent) for orc.

the early one are certainly edgy, even manscout agree that the story shift from morally conflicting action and have "personal edgy scene" like "ordering Mestan kill the Aram commander that was going against our war plans" and mention how "The argument of Simon being more responsible with his power doesn't even show up until late into chapter 5 either" , except if you play optimally it can be sunshine and rainbow though.

 

[lolwhatxd]

So is this a good game? Should I play it? Opinions pls.

 

[Haamster]

So is this a good game? Should I play it? Opinions pls.

I like it, it might be one of my favorite games period.
But if you come here expecting the most sexually arousing game that'll make you cum in 10 seconds this isn't it.
If you came here expecting the game to hook you from the outset with the most engaging RPG mechanics you've ever seen then this isn't it.

If you came here in the hopes of getting a really tight fantasy story where it follows through on the consequences of "what if there actually was a empire devoted to sex in a fantasy", With character writing that goes a lot deeper than you'd expect and moment to moment writing that is actual novel level?
then this might be it.

 

[Goi]

you are focus on to much on fanboying simon that you purposely ignore or purposely misunderstood many of my comment again" killing civilian with such reason are extreme and counter intuitive to his objective to remain anonymous at that time"

"That bartender was sleazy and was indeed part of a problem that was making Feroholm more of a shithole then it needed to be. Even if killing him was a temporary solution, keeping him alive had zero upside whatsoever. " oh~ but simon say he is a "symptom" of a bigger problem not a "problem", see just being sleazy as businessmen make him killed by simon like it personal for him, despite theres no benefit whatsoever to feroholm or to himself and realistically should paint him as wanted criminal hence the early nonsense part that i agree with the previous commenter as example.

yeah a "problematic rebel noble" where he want to take over yhilin from, do i complain about that? it seems more that you are the one focus on to much on the "civilian" word than me and make it broader than me focus on the bartender case, though to be honest i wont called this rebel noble as civilian though, even real world military wont categorize them as civilian when they deliberately sent assassin and attempt in military coup. oh yeah it also help that the queen was on their side to keep them stay anonymous.

"he didn't underestimate nothing. You can't call it underestimating when someone subverts the expectation of what should be" uhm...thats what underestimating are because its not what he expect it to be, hence why i say he should goes to the forest mission rather than jump to the fortress, also aka are valuable to notice a trap the outcome may change by not falling into the "fortress trap" that make them cant escape, also still better fate than being rape and become cocksleeve breeding stock (without consent) for orc.

the early one are certainly edgy, even manscout agree that the story shift from morally conflicting action and have "personal edgy scene" like "ordering Mestan kill the Aram commander that was going against our war plans" and mention how "The argument of Simon being more responsible with his power doesn't even show up until late into chapter 5 either" , except if you play optimally it can be sunshine and rainbow though.

I mean a Man might become cum slave for the succubus and guess what if he went to the forest the exact same thing would have happened because Riala set the trap where he was going and he didn't know she had spies in the church, in fact in this case aka and Atilina would have been the same, because Altina was stronger than Aka was at that point. So Riala would have just shown up and personally took them down and there was nothing they could do because she is just that much stronger.

Riala knowing where he was going is why he lies about the direction he was heading with Tal which delays Riala for about a day which still would mean she would still show up and take them down with no effort, just be the next day.

Most of the nobles he killed were just normal nobles that were the in the way of their goals. A lot of them were in a diffrenint city than the Coup planning.

Literally no one noticed or cared about his death but as the only person with money would care about his stock going missing, that would be even more noticeable

 

[mahligl]

So is this a good game? Should I play it? Opinions pls.

It is a well-written RPG made by an intelligent person who wanted to convey something genuine. This is why it is so different from 99% of "adult" games. Thematically, it stands apart from other well-written RPGs (like Disco Elysium, Planescape: Torment, Betrayal at Krondor - you name it), because:

• there is a heavy focus on adult themes (it is a harem-story, duh),
• it puts a whole bunch of large-scale religious, political and social issues in the spotlight,
• it successfully integrates the focus stated above with a personal story of the protagonist, which may give you a power rush,
• it carefully tracks your progress using an enormous amount of variables that reflect your decisions.

Your opinion on some aspects may vary. For instance, the discussion above (whether one of the decisions was in character for the protagonist, whether it was edgy, etc.) is not baseless, even If I think that the person with qualms about the disussed stuff is completely wrong. But the game is still damn impressive, and if some of the elements it presents resonate with you, you're gonna have a great time. For me, it is certainly the best RPG experience I've had in the last five years or so.

And it is quite fun. The gameplay is somewhat challenging, but not overly so. The visuals and sound-design is lush and bright, even when using bits and pieces you've already seen in other RPGMaker games. A real pleasure.

 

[Netori Popeye]

Any games like this but with a more modern engine? I already played Renryuu but I'm wondering if there are more.

 

[Qwasar]

So is this a good game? Should I play it? Opinions pls.

a rare gem, albeit not easy.

 

[Bonercat]

I mean a Man might become cum slave for the succubus and guess what if he went to the forest the exact same thing would have happened because Riala set the trap where he was going and he didn't know she had spies in the church, in fact in this case aka and Atilina would have been the same, because Altina was stronger than Aka was at that point. So Riala would have just shown up and personally took them down and there was nothing they could do because she is just that much stronger.

Riala knowing where he was going is why he lies about the direction he was heading with Tal which delays Riala for about a day which still would mean she would still show up and take them down with no effort, just be the next day.

Most of the nobles he killed were just normal nobles that were the in the way of their goals. A lot of them were in a diffrenint city than the Coup planning.

Literally no one noticed or cared about his death but as the only person with money would care about his stock going missing, that would be even more noticeable

true but so far as i saw it the male usually get sucked dry to their soul first like what happen to the first hero rather than preserve it as their cum slave since they have orc for that, hence we rarely see any male prisoner and if the succubus dont have such tendency i bet many male would volunteer more on purpose.

except if in the forest they have a better chance to runaway and hide since its an open field, and if its in the castle as i mention aka can notice trap layed there hopefully opening a path for them to escape that hopefully at least give a chance for different outcome.

i am pretty sure the noble that got killed was forming a combatant to face the doom king or attempt rebellion or proven to scemming a coup or against the well of the kingdom or simply being corrupt.

huh true about the stockholder.

 

[Goi]

true but so far as i saw it the male usually get sucked dry to their soul first like what happen to the first hero rather than preserve it as their cum slave since they have orc for that, hence we rarely see any male prisoner and if the succubus dont have such tendency i bet many male would volunteer more on purpose.

except if in the forest they have a better chance to runaway and hide since its an open field, and if its in the castle as i mention aka can notice trap layed there hopefully opening a path for them to escape that hopefully at least give a chance for different outcome.

i am pretty sure the noble that got killed was forming a combatant to face the doom king or attempt rebellion or proven to scemming a coup or against the well of the kingdom or simply being corrupt.

huh true about the stockholder.

Noticed the chosen had a small to escape by Simon and co fighting to buy time but guess what they can surround and take them down by ambushing say in the cave system that is set up to even corrupt and weaken them anyway.

Also we get a direct example of succubus keeping male and raping him and having kids with them and dying young for being drained a lot as an example. Hell being kept alive as a sex toy is what Simon expects to happen to him after Riala catches him which is why he askes her to end him quickly out of respect instead.

We don't know for sure that the first hero died to the succubus since, as we see even when you don't try and kill them they die if touched wrong. Simon even wonders if that is what actually killed them all.

they would have exactly the same chance like how Simon was able to run away from the castle, also aka would not have noticed anything because the trap as is was was literally just that Riala and the elites were there, though Riala by herself would have been more than enough, would take a bit more effort to trap in a forest but easily done since you know broken mage is broken strong and can trap you very easily with barriers and/or illusions.

really the issue is they try an run and Riala just them them with lust spell mega caused them to collapse overwhelmed by lust, Open ground just gives riala all the more range to hit them with and that is her playing nice not just, They are walking through the forest and instantly lose to surprise lust spell from unable to be seen or sense riala. because none of them can detect Illusions

kind of like Yara much later can take down a bunch of guard at once with a single lust spell after she becomes a proper elite late game

 

[ThatGuynumber11]

Will you get more divine shards for the harem after the ending or will you only get them if you kill Grynyth?
I don't want to let Grynyth live if it means letting harem girls die

 

[Goi]

You won't directly get more as we play but it will not kill any of them, like is brought up during the choice to kill Grynyth in the first place since can either split some of one of the goddess(like the anak did with his to make Incubus kings), use a level of advanced magic like Ulrissa did(also a few others) and even more so error will find out in like a week when the next version becomes public

Like genuine there is no issue because multiple paths to such thing and you have years to figure it out even in the worse case.

In theory you could even cheat and breaks bits of simon shard off for it since that is possible