Movikx

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Is this a good game ? looking for some replacements for LOQO Series.
yes, 100% recommend, do u need a guide? no, will u find everything and get the best results no, unless u are a fuckin genius (or grind A LOT for it), i played the first time everything with no guide, now after playing it again with a guide i would say i got like 60-75% things right, pro tip tho, if the characters say u probably wont be able to return to some place if u get out now, U WONT BE ABLE TO GO THERE AGAIN LATER
 

Almantus

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ok i will try , thanks .
But i hate following guides. i like to explore everthing myself.

Tried it. Story cant say , Gameplay good, but art really not my style... horrible. Sorry but it looks like a child made them.
Not even close to the preview screens.
 
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marcx666

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ok i will try , thanks .
But i hate following guides. i like to explore everthing myself.

Tried it. Story cant say , Gameplay good, but art really not my style... horrible. Sorry but it looks like a child made them.
Not even close to the preview screens.
Yeah carry on, you'll understand why the art is the way it is in the beginning
 

MandyF

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Started a couple minutes ago and I can already see from the quests that I'm guaranteed to lose a fight. RPGs where the player gets railroaded into losing an early boss fight are already a pet peeve of mine, can it at least have the decency to pull the wool over my eyes before it happens? I also hate this puke of an MC, but I guess that's the point.
 

MandyF

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That guy isn't the MC, and yes you're supposed to hate him/them... Yes, them, you'll see more of them throughout the game.
Yeah, I guess the point was indeed for him to be a fake-out MC, be annoying and die. I just noticed this game was by the same people that did Ouroboros so I'm strapped in for a lot of those unwinnable battles, twists, eternal cycles, "half the characters die" moments and so on, as well as some pretty intense anti-cheat measures (though luckily it looks like there's a mod for this one).
 

Snugglepuff

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so I'm strapped in for a lot of those unwinnable battles
I'm honestly having trouble remembering others outside of the beginning that aren't specifically plot-related, and even then there's very few.

as well as some pretty intense anti-cheat measures (though luckily it looks like there's a mod for this one).
I honestly wouldn't bother with a mod for cheating.
The wiki links in the OP are a good enough guide for what not to/how much to cheat.
 

MandyF

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I'm honestly having trouble remembering others outside of the beginning that aren't specifically plot-related, and even then there's very few.
I get what you're saying, but plot related or not, an unwinnable battle's an unwinnable battle. I remember a bunch in Ouroboros, and looking through the wiki for this game it looks like there are a fair few scattered about. It's less of an annoyance in games that don't care so much about the combat or make such an effort to ensure sure the enemies the player encounters are beatable if their patterns are learned, but in a game that really pushes the player to learn, strategize and tweak composition it feels like a bit of a 'fuck you' to throw in battles you can't win no matter what. Suppose you can throw scripted battles in general in that category too.

I honestly wouldn't bother with a mod for cheating.
The wiki links in the OP are a good enough guide for what not to/how much to cheat.
In this case it's less about knowing what to do and more about time consumption. It doesn't take many fights to learn how to mop up any monster party composition in a given area, but each fight takes a couple minutes and you basically have to fight and kill everything to scale enough to keep progressing. I'd rather murder them all with the instant kill button after I learn their patterns and save the legit fighting for the bosses and unique enemies, than spend hours fighting the same three mooks arranged in different patterns.
 

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I get what you're saying, but plot related or not, an unwinnable battle's an unwinnable battle. I remember a bunch in Ouroboros, and looking through the wiki for this game it looks like there are a fair few scattered about. It's less of an annoyance in games that don't care so much about the combat or make such an effort to ensure sure the enemies the player encounters are beatable if their patterns are learned, but in a game that really pushes the player to learn, strategize and tweak composition it feels like a bit of a 'fuck you' to throw in battles you can't win no matter what. Suppose you can throw scripted battles in general in that category too.
if you learn the enemies patterns you will learn the pattern for the unwinnable one.
usualy can be spottedby by overwhelming damage the enemies do or the irrilevant/null damage you do.
if you are playing legit isn't very hard to spot. no normal fight is unwinnable, they are battle against notorious powerful enemies.

the only real point is wasting restorative items in a battle you cannot win. but the game can be beated without using them (aside a couple of sections clearly labeled as such)
 
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Goi

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I mean in terms of unwinnable fights there is two if you count fights where you have to lose, a few more fights where the win con is doing a certain amount of damage(the fight general ends after that point is reached) or just enduring through a few rounds but are usually hinted at before hand.

also there isn't really that bad anti cheat a few things here and there but mostly that is stopping getting optional stuff
 

mahligl

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it feels like a bit of a 'fuck you' to throw in battles you can't win no matter what
If the game were battle-centric, sure. But this one is not, even though the battles here are very fun and sometimes present a challenge. Narratively, I would just say that the in-game party battles, as well as global conflicts you take part in, grow to cosmic proportions later in the game, and they become unwinnable in no sense of the word. But I'm not sure you'd like what follows if it hasn't clicked for you in the first 3-4 hours.
 

Almantus

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You guys get me wrong.
Well, you know why we ALL play games like these, good Story, combat and sexy pics for the effort.

If you start a Game and see This, you think its the entire game so. Do you get my point ?

Same as LOQP Series....Trading Cards look bad and some illustriations too. She should have hired a better painter.

Btw, 170 hours ? thats more or less Witcher3+Addons Gametime with all quests. Uff thats much.

Edit unwinnable battle's ? Hm... i like challanges but if its so......not sure to start the game now. if i reach such a point ( and i will not cheat) and cant win , i will be frustrated and quit and be angry about the wasted time.
 
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Goi

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I mean the game started with no pictures and personally the picture do not add a lot to the game at all.

Also no I have to very much disagree with that seeing that makes you think the rest of the game will be like that.

This is a proper RPG game so is long one, Like there is 5 Chapters and the prologue and epilogue(prologue being only like 3 maps and 6 fights, the first section of Chapter 1 with fights is 4 maps and 14 fights and that is like one of 5 sections(depending how broad you make the sections with multiple fights) and that is the smallest chapter of them all
 
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Of the hundreds of games I've seen here, only this one seems to have an Exe installation. I don't understand why such a preference was made. Having the game files openly in Zip or RAR without setup helps to make a safer installation when scanning for viruses.
 
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