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broiler_x

Creator of The Libido Enigma
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The game has zero appeal. because the characters are just not appealing; that's just the reality.

The developer can try to downplay it or rationalize it, but it doesn't change anything. People don't like the characters, so they don't play and support the game, simple as that.
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Zero appeal is pretty harsh. I mean, the music was pretty good, right? :) *awaits scathing attacks about the music...*
 

fajiker145

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Zero appeal is pretty harsh. I mean, the music was pretty good, right? :) *awaits scathing attacks about the music...*
Yeah it is mostly things that dont really matter the ones holding it back. As you said, girls can have a past but we dont need to know all the details about it. And since they are not going to be fucking the whole town anymore ( hey, at least brooke was getting paid:ROFLMAO:) why does that information even matter, unless you are going to be introducing a plot in which they deal with their STDs collection, come on now lol.
Brooke could be ok being a no sex scort for events, that doesnt mean she is a virgin nun thats never seen a penis, it just make her more appealing as she is no longer selling her body for cash to whatever sick fuck that could pay her. That doesn't mean she didnt have relationships, bfs, one night stands, she could have had those, but they are no longer relevant now that she is going to start a relationship with MC alone right? So why even mention them.
Same for Isabella, her past could be that she never had a meaningful or serious relationship, and just met some people here and there but she is now looking for a serious partner. Thats normal, but why exaggerate and make her just a cum dump that was used, abused and then left for a better option. Why would that make her appealing for the MC when even those thousands of NPCs just saw her as a quick fuck and no relationship material? I mean, I agree with those NPCs because a woman like that is indeed no relationship material.

Lastly the cheating gf, there is no redeeming her, even if she was under the effects of a drug, drunk or whatever. The only acceptable way is to make her avoidable, I have never seen, in 100s games I have played, a cheating gf that was liked or redeemed. I have seen a LOT of devs try though, and they all failed. Just check the thread of the game "Fallen roads" if you want to see a miserable attempt at having a cheating gf as a LI. Dev tried again and again till the game ended up abandoned
 

Timesucker

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I'll address some of the issues that people have brought up, as I think they are valid. I've gotten really positive feedback from my wife and two testers, and also from other online channels, so this response has somewhat blindsided me.
Devs being blindsided here is more common than anyone would imagine. But that fact shows that the whiners are actually a small, insignificant, but vocal group here. Don't feel like this is most members' opinion.

Don't worry too much about that "bunch of whiners." They are a group of antisocial individuals who have banded together to attack this kind of game here on F95. It's best to ignore them.
F95 is actually felicitating this behavior by allowing multiple accounts for one individual. I'd like to hear how this site can justify this practice.

This game is very good, IMO. It's a well-made and entertaining game.
This game reminds me of another game that, at the moment, slips my mind. :cautious:
The plot of that game revolves around an ex-black ops assassin who's now trying to find out about his tragic past and banging all the women in town. The MC's look and mannerisms remind me of this MC. I wish I could remember the game's name. :cautious:

broiler_x , keep doing what you're doing; you have fans here. ;)
 

broiler_x

Creator of The Libido Enigma
Game Developer
Nov 8, 2023
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Yeah it is mostly things that dont really matter the ones holding it back. As you said, girls can have a past but we dont need to know all the details about it. And since they are not going to be fucking the whole town anymore ( hey, at least brooke was getting paid:ROFLMAO:) why does that information even matter, unless you are going to be introducing a plot in which they deal with their STDs collection, come on now lol.
Brooke could be ok being a no sex scort for events, that doesnt mean she is a virgin nun thats never seen a penis, it just make her more appealing as she is no longer selling her body for cash to whatever sick fuck that could pay her. That doesn't mean she didnt have relationships, bfs, one night stands, she could have had those, but they are no longer relevant now that she is going to start a relationship with MC alone right? So why even mention them.
Same for Isabella, her past could be that she never had a meaningful or serious relationship, and just met some people here and there but she is now looking for a serious partner. Thats normal, but why exaggerate and make her just a cum dump that was used, abused and then left for a better option. Why would that make her appealing for the MC when even those thousands of NPCs just saw her as a quick fuck and no relationship material? I mean, I agree with those NPCs because a woman like that is indeed no relationship material.

Lastly the cheating gf, there is no redeeming her, even if she was under the effects of a drug, drunk or whatever. The only acceptable way is to make her avoidable, I have never seen, in 100s games I have played, a cheating gf that was liked or redeemed. I have seen a LOT of devs try though, and they all failed. Just check the thread of the game "Fallen roads" if you want to see a miserable attempt at having a cheating gf as a LI. Dev tried again and again till the game ended up abandoned
Like I said earlier, I get it now. And expect an updated Chapter 2 in a couple of weeks. I just got back from a lunch walk and had a few ideas...

I think you are going a bit far in calling Isabella a cum dump who has serviced thousands of NPC's. She mentioned that she had a couple of guys who were booty call (she said "couple" and she has proven to be quite honest and forthcoming). To use that to call her a cum dump of a whore is really going far. She's 38ish and never been married so things can happen. But I do acknowledge that my mistake was having her admit it at all in the first place. That will be fixed. Isabella has actually shown some pretty strong character with her advice about Emily and also in dealing with MC after they witness the cheating GF incident.

Speaking of Miranda, the cheating gf, I have yet to comment about her. She was definitely a plot device and I tried to make her not too pretty or too endearing so that the player wouldn't get too attached to her. That's also why that all unfolded fairly early.Here's what I was thinking if you are interested. MC, Isabella and Giselle are all in their 30's, but I wanted them all to be single for obvious reasons. I decided to give the MC a girlfriend because I thought it would strange if they all just happened to single at that age (not impossible but a bit too convenient). I also really liked the idea that Isabella witness the events because it would bring her and MC much closer together. I also saw this as a great opportunity to introduce Giselle as a mysterious character, and she would also have this tough shared experience. I purposefully put all three 30-somethings in that scene. Remember, Isabella was already very openly wary about what she thought about Miranda and she was right. MC made a mistake in dating Miranda. I think we've all made mistakes in relationships and I really liked this as a coming together moment. Again I tried to make Miranda very forgettable and brief to minimize. Now the last reason I included her is what I'll probably get ripped for: I needed a sex scene in Chapter 1. I needed the audience to know that this was truly going to be an adult game. Remember that I did make that sex scene optional for this very reason. I did not want the MC to have sex with any of the LI's because I wanted some build up for Chapter 2. That was extremely important to me. So I included an optional throw-away sex scene, just for the main reason of identifying this as adult. Without that scene my game technically wouldn't have even qualified for F95 based on their rules. Games must have true adult content, a little nudity isn't enough by their written rules.

The hug in the alley between Isabella and the MC was the goal. And their later talk in her office. Isabella has been lamenting for years that she didn't pursue a real relationship with the MC 10 years ago. But the timing and their various relationships never worked out. This harsh shared event gave her the big opening she was hoping for. Does that make sense?
 

Raziel_8

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Lastly the cheating gf, there is no redeeming her, even if she was under the effects of a drug, drunk or whatever. The only acceptable way is to make her avoidable
From what i have seen so far and the banner as well, i didn't get the impression the ex is supposed a LI.

As for the she was/is under the drug...i don't really think so from what we have seen.
From what we heard she wasn't particular faithful even before, not sure if she cheated with the other guys like MC's co-worker that was mentioned. Also she doesn't give of the vibes like the the other test subject, being in desperate need for sex, i mean, she could just fuck the MC if that were the case.
Of course there could be other effects or a different drug, but so far i just see her as a thot.
That being said, i agree, making (or trying) to redeem a cheating gf never workes, or at least i never saw it working.
 

broiler_x

Creator of The Libido Enigma
Game Developer
Nov 8, 2023
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From what i have seen so far and the banner as well, i didn't get the impression the ex is supposed a LI.

As for the she was/is under the drug...i don't really think so from what we have seen.
From what we heard she wasn't particular faithful even before, not sure if she cheated with the other guys like MC's co-worker that was mentioned. Also she doesn't give of the vibes like the the other test subject, being in desperate need for sex, i mean, she could just fuck the MC if that were the case.
Of course there could be other effects or a different drug, but so far i just see her as a thot.
That being said, i agree, making (or trying) to redeem a cheating gf never workes, or at least i never saw it working.
Thanks, I went into a deep dive about Miranda just above your post (I believe). We were probably writing at the same time.
 

Lemmon Sweat

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Devs being blindsided here is more common than anyone would imagine. But that fact shows that the whiners are actually a small, insignificant, but vocal group here. Don't feel like this is most members' opinion.

Don't worry too much about that "bunch of whiners." They are a group of antisocial individuals who have banded together to attack this kind of game here on F95. It's best to ignore them.
F95 is actually felicitating this behavior by allowing multiple accounts for one individual. I'd like to hear how this site can justify this practice.

This game is very good, IMO. It's a well-made and entertaining game.
This game reminds me of another game that, at the moment, slips my mind. :cautious:
The plot of that game revolves around an ex-black ops assassin who's now trying to find out about his tragic past and banging all the women in town. The MC's look and mannerisms remind me of this MC. I wish I could remember the game's name. :cautious:

broiler_x , keep doing what you're doing; you have fans here. ;)
Is 53X the game you are thinking of?
https://f95zone.to/threads/53x-homecoming-v0-2-8-1-agent-53x.56656/
 
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rooney10

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So far 90% or more of the comments reflect the same issues, so it's not just a few people that have issues. Even had good comments about some of the content. And nothing wrong with helping a new dev with future content that doesn't go with whatever genre he is working on to save headaches down the road. Some advice helps, some doesn't. Dev is doing a excellent job replying to, and considering comments.
Fair play but allow me to suggest 90% of comments HERE, while consistent and maybe worthy of dev's address, do not actually reflect 90% of the game's actual players bcuz most players don't post here. So what appears 90% on this thread might only be 5-10% IRL. Who knows? The larger "piling on" point is to bring awareness to the problem that when somebody starts pulling a negative string, too many members here want to join the crowd and clamp on to the same string, often bcuz they're too incompetent to think for themselves or they feel like daddy suddenly gave them permission.

FTR, these aren't serious players or commenters seeking to improve the game...they're morons.

And nothing wrong w/constructive criticism either but I find many of the "criticisms" on this forum are just childish, sniping comments from trolling nobodies. For example, I just read this gem, "The (this) game has ZERO APPEAL. because the characters are just not appealing; that's just the reality." Really? Comments like this have ZERO SERIOUSNESS bcuz while this might be one man's opinion, frankly, it's an insignificant grain of sand on a beach. It's not serious, nor should it be taken as such when so many other's have offerred positive feedback and support for this game.
 

th3n

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You bring up some very well thought out points and present them well, I really appreciate that. I had to actually google "town bike" as it's come up twice now. I guessed what it meant, and confirmed my suspicions. In my mind, Isabella's behavior fits her personality. She's bold and brash and she goes for what she wants. She is actually loosely based off of a real female biotech CEO that I know. But I understand how she can be off-putting with her casual attitude towards sexual relationships. Heck before I was married I've had booty call and I've been booty call, and I have only fond memories of it personally myself. What I was trying to hint at was that she is now maybe ending that phase of her life (finally!).

Emily's actions also fit her personality, and like you, I really like her a lot. She was not featured much in Chapter Two as I focused more on learning about the two mystery women from Chapter One (Giselle and Brooke). But as the ending hints at, Emily will have a bigger role in Chapter 3 (and beyond).

And Brenda, the sex-crazed text subject? I fucking love her too! I had so much fun with that entire sex clinic scene. I actually completely scrapped the script that I wrote for that whole scene and improvised it real time. Originally it was supposed to be a serious and somber realization that something is truly amiss. Instead I decided to make it fun and lighthearted, and that included Brenda's behavior and dialogue. And also the music and the two technicians that argue like an old married couple. But when you see Brenda looking all scared in that dark corner, but then suddenly pop out into the light and demands some action... That was so fun! Also her responses to your decision were a blast too.

Anyway, long-winded response. But I do like the feedback, and I agree some of the plot lines were a little too forced and unrealistic. I will keep that in mind as I continue to create this VN. As a life long scientist, I appreciate the data, and "bad" data is just as important as "good" data. I will keep your thoughts and others in mind as I write future chapters.

Thanks!
Yeah, now she is all ours! (translation: My past doesn't matter, im all your now!)
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TKdropemoff

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Devs being blindsided here is more common than anyone would imagine. But that fact shows that the whiners are actually a small, insignificant, but vocal group here. Don't feel like this is most members' opinion.

Don't worry too much about that "bunch of whiners." They are a group of antisocial individuals who have banded together to attack this kind of game here on F95. It's best to ignore them.
F95 is actually felicitating this behavior by allowing multiple accounts for one individual. I'd like to hear how this site can justify this practice.

This game is very good, IMO. It's a well-made and entertaining game.
This game reminds me of another game that, at the moment, slips my mind. :cautious:
The plot of that game revolves around an ex-black ops assassin who's now trying to find out about his tragic past and banging all the women in town. The MC's look and mannerisms remind me of this MC. I wish I could remember the game's name. :cautious:

broiler_x , keep doing what you're doing; you have fans here. ;)
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Anyway.

Overall I appreciate this dev for taking his time and listening to the feedback.. Good and bad. If he don't want to, he don't have to change shit. But the fact he is taking it into consideration, and making some changes says alot. He even said changing it do not effect the plot that much, it's not much of an issue then. If it will make the Li's more appealing, and make his time easier, and loosen a head-ace, what's the issue? Game is still early, so these changes are coming at the right time, then later on when it gets more exposure. Nothing is wrong with a dev making changes.. no one is forcing him too.. if he want to ride it out with what he got, so be it..

I am willing to give this one another go as long as the LIs are better.. Which overall, is one of the most important factors when it comes to a novel.
 
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broiler_x

Creator of The Libido Enigma
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Nov 8, 2023
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Just curious, if do make some changes will those that don't currently like this come back and support this? Or am I wasting my time? I've come up with a really great Brooke alternative angle, something that I want to keep secret for now (I'm pretty sure it will be acceptable to those that didn't like her as an escort). Isabella is a much easier change as it has zero impact on the story. But, if I go through and make these changes will the "haters" (I mean that in the nicest way) be willing to come back? I want to stay true to my story and vision, and I can do so and assuage the current doubters. Am I wasting my time?
 

TKdropemoff

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Just curious, if do make some changes will those that don't currently like this come back and support this? Or am I wasting my time? I've come up with a really great Brooke alternative angle, something that I want to keep secret for now (I'm pretty sure it will be acceptable to those that didn't like her as an escort). Isabella is a much easier change as it has zero impact on the story. But, if I go through and make these changes will the "haters" (I mean that in the nicest way) be willing to come back? I want to stay true to my story and vision, and I can do so and assuage the current doubters. Am I wasting my time?
i'm going to be real.. some most likely slapped ignore on the game due to the whole Brooke, and Isabella, etc. But I will say, you are fine. Like I said your game is still pretty new, and you are not the first dev who made changes early on. Those devs went on, and there games are doing fine. Like I said, if those changes do not make a big impact on your vision of the story, and those bits of changes to those characters, then you are not swaying much away from your vision. I think this change will loosen the current head-ace and future head-ace as well for new players who try your game. But once again, it's all up to you. At the end of the day, it's your game.. You don't have to change anything and ignore all the noise if you want too.. Also I think more choices would have loosen some of the blow as well when it came to the Lis..

if a game is good, support will come. Hell I came back because of you being open to changes being made, and I am sure more people will too..

Overall don't worry about it. You of course cannot please everyone I do agree.. But you already doing a damn good job if you implement those changes to what people mostly have an issue with.:D
 
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th3n

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Just curious, if do make some changes will those that don't currently like this come back and support this? Or am I wasting my time? I've come up with a really great Brooke alternative angle, something that I want to keep secret for now (I'm pretty sure it will be acceptable to those that didn't like her as an escort). Isabella is a much easier change as it has zero impact on the story. But, if I go through and make these changes will the "haters" (I mean that in the nicest way) be willing to come back? I want to stay true to my story and vision, and I can do so and assuage the current doubters. Am I wasting my time?
No, people are not going to come back, maybe they will in 1 years when they forget or if the game get a rework. The changes will be useful when new people come to the game, and the people that already give you the idea that they would like it more if you change it. At the end of the day people are getting mand and going because people look for games using filters, filter ntr out and romance in, you see romance tag, get in and think, i think i dont want to romance a prostitute!. Your game is yours, you shul do what you want to do about your game, but the opinion of people is theirs (unless they are trolling), This is a forum after all!. Some people are rude, I was too and I apologize for my performance, but you need to know when it comes to games there are two types of people, the people who pays it like it is a movie or a porn video, just fap and ctrl, and the people who insert itself in the protagonist, the second are very vocal cause the feelings can be real.
 

Vortex@

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Just curious, if do make some changes will those that don't currently like this come back and support this? Or am I wasting my time? I've come up with a really great Brooke alternative angle, something that I want to keep secret for now (I'm pretty sure it will be acceptable to those that didn't like her as an escort). Isabella is a much easier change as it has zero impact on the story. But, if I go through and make these changes will the "haters" (I mean that in the nicest way) be willing to come back? I want to stay true to my story and vision, and I can do so and assuage the current doubters. Am I wasting my time?
I'm willing to give it a try again. The back story of brooke and the mentioning of ex's by the women was my main issue. so far I liked the rest. Only other main issue for me is harem. I prob sub to like 30 VN's and they are all harem possible endings. Depending how far along in the story we can go before forcing us too choose li's will be a big factor for me. Maybe at the end you choose, then see her ending? then you can reload your save at the choosing point and pick another to see her ending? I get attached to the women, and it makes me sad having to turn the rest down. It's why I hardly ever play solo Li vn's
 
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rooney10

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Just curious, if do make some changes will those that don't currently like this come back and support this? Or am I wasting my time? I've come up with a really great Brooke alternative angle, something that I want to keep secret for now (I'm pretty sure it will be acceptable to those that didn't like her as an escort). Isabella is a much easier change as it has zero impact on the story. But, if I go through and make these changes will the "haters" (I mean that in the nicest way) be willing to come back? I want to stay true to my story and vision, and I can do so and assuage the current doubters. Am I wasting my time?
Truth is some will leave but most will stay bcuz creatively and technically, this game is very good at it's core. In an era w/an ocean of shite adult games, that means something. And keep in mind, once this current wave of whiny dregs takes their toys and goes home, you'll have your loyals while still attracting new players. If and when you rework the story, ALWAYS communicate and clarify why in the changelog, and move on. Players in general are very forgiving as long as changes are legit improvements. Upgrade/maintain an engaging, provocative banner and gallery on the OP and most people will form a "Will I play or won't I" impression from these visuals, especially newbs. If your visuals "sell" the game well enough (and your models are hot enough to easily do this btw), most people won't even give AF about any shortcomings from the original v1 or v2. For newbs it will just be an extended v3.
 

BTLD

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love how some are insulting everyone saying anything remotely bad (from their PoV) about the game and yet ... they are still not subbed ... :)))
"yeah man keep the game with hoes and sluts and everything it's going great, look at all the support you're getting bruh!!"
yikes... :KEK: :KEK: :KEK: :KEK:
 

broiler_x

Creator of The Libido Enigma
Game Developer
Nov 8, 2023
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Truth is some will leave but most will stay bcuz creatively and technically, this game is very good at it's core. In an era w/an ocean of shite adult games, that means something. And keep in mind, once this current wave of whiny dregs takes their toys and goes home, you'll have your loyals while still attracting new players. If and when you rework the story, ALWAYS communicate and clarify why in the changelog, and move on. Players in general are very forgiving as long as changes are legit improvements. Upgrade/maintain an engaging, provocative banner and gallery on the OP and most people will form a "Will I play or won't I" impression from these visuals, especially newbs. If your visuals "sell" the game well enough (and your models are hot enough to easily do this btw), most people won't even give AF about any shortcomings from the original v1 or v2. For newbs it will just be an extended v3.
Thanks. Chapter 3 is coming along so well, and I love it! I will make some changes to chapter 2 and release that soon. This game was really meant to be a romantic and intriguing thriller, and I wasn't trying to offend anyone really. I'm trying to focus on the quality of writing, visuals and music (no has mentioned the music, I spent so much time on that and even payed real money to license some of these songs... I suck for trying to play by the rules, lol). Anyway, I'm trying my best to be accommodating, without hurting the story arc. I think I can do both without compromise.
 

broiler_x

Creator of The Libido Enigma
Game Developer
Nov 8, 2023
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love how some are insulting everyone saying anything remotely bad (from their PoV) about the game and yet ... they are still not subbed ... :)))
"yeah man keep the game with hoes and sluts and everything it's going great, look at all the support you're getting bruh!!"
yikes... :KEK: :KEK: :KEK: :KEK:
Look, I'm listening and trying to make some changes that's all I can do. I still don't think that 38 year old Isabella is a hoe or a slut for having a couple of guys as booty call (in the past!). I've been there. She is certainly not a cum whore for thousands of guys as someone stated. But I will change that. Yeah, I get the Brooke hate and it will also be addressed. I think I'm being very reasonable, just give me some time. Thanks for the input, I honestly appreciate it.
 
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