VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.4.0] [Ceolag]

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

This is how i feel about yall's argument.

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Holy mother of baby jesus, did you really put Fiona's name with her name?

 

[ename144]

Nah, can't agree on that. She said she was working for government agency, this is an outright lie. She is very dishonest about what the first lie brought with it.

We know Fiona have secrets to share and she even revealed she has some sort of connection to Neverwhere. She did not lie anything as far as we know. Except probably her name but she is on the run(relatively) and be vary about it. Also she is not a childhood friend of MC, so she has time.

But that "as far as we know" is my whole point. *If* it turns out Fiona's backstory is relevant to the MC and recent events around him, the mere fact that Fiona admitted to keeping secrets will be very little comfort.

I don't expect that to happen, but then again I'm willing to give Kaija another chance so you might question my judgement.

 

[Dessolos]

Yeah it does not. You should get that from me turning to ancient memes to make my point.

That is a lie, there is nothing softens that whether it's close to her real job. Btw, it's not close either if that agency was not Men in Black.

I mean I get it still a lie and I know wouldn't make it better for you. I was just saying it just makes better to me personally. The Agency feels close enough to me idk what else would be close if we have to pick some other career. Cause how they have a secret base and all of that. My point was if she said it was something that was not even close to the truth to a small degree It would feel worst for me for some stupid reason idk why makes no sense but it is what it is.

If I had to guess why I feel that way perhaps cause how the MC knew she was going on secret dangerous missions all the time so nothing changed there. If she said she worked a supermarket late shift or something now the MC would have to get used to her being in danger or dying if the MC chooses to get back together with her. At least saying she worked for a agency he is somewhat used to the danger element. Only thing that really changed is the whole Fantasy / scifi element + the MC's family involvement but I'm more focusing on the career portion of the lie.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

But that "as far as we know" is my whole point. *If* it turns out Fiona's backstory is relevant to the MC and recent events around him, the mere fact that Fiona admitted to keeping secrets will be very little comfort.

I don't expect that to happen, but then again I'm willing to give Kaija another chance so you might question my judgement.

But there are some certain facts we know about Fiona. One of the most important one is, she just met MC and not a life long "friend". If MC recently met Kaija and she was not pretending to be his girlfriend then I would not have any problem with her. So whatever her secrets are cannot be same level as Kaija. If MC trust her with his knowledge she reveals more than Kaija within limited timeframe.

For giving her another chance, you do you I guess but that reminds me another person who gave too many second chances.

 

[Leongen43]

Holy mother of baby jesus, did you really put Fiona's name with her name?

Is it possible that Ceolag Tsung took his soul too, that's why he posted that?

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[Grumpy Old Aussie]

Yeah most likely even her name is not real but at least she did not pretend to love MC to serve a secret organisation. Also she is honest about having secrets. So all good in that front.

Kaija is a write off. Trust once broken is very hard to earn back. My MC won't trust her again. Fiona is cute, no question. I think Fiona is probably a sweetheart who has been burned by her family and I'll grow to love her like I do Elea. We don't know that yet so I'm just holding off getting attached to her until we know more. Same with Medb, I'm rather attracted to her, but I'm holding off her as well until we see who she is. She may be a deceitful dark elf succubus for all I know or there might be some sweet sensual warm heart under all that ice. We shall see.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

I mean I get it still a lie and I know wouldn't make it better for you. I was just saying it just makes better to me personally. The Agency feels close enough to me idk what else would be close if we have to pick some other career. Cause how they have a secret base and all of that. My point was if she said it was something that was not even close to the truth to a small degree It would feel worst for me for some stupid reason idk why makes no sense but it is what it is.

If I had to guess why I feel that way perhaps cause how the MC knew she was going on secret dangerous missions all the time so nothing changed there. If she said she worked a supermarket late shift or something now the MC would have to get used to her being in danger or dying if the MC chooses to get back together with her. At least saying she worked for a agency he is somewhat used to the danger element. Only thing that really changed is the whole Fantasy / scifi element + the MC's family involvement but I'm more focusing on the career portion of the lie.

How was she going to explain constant long business trips, all the secrecy, being on-call 24/7 etc. if she said she was working at a supermarket? Do you really think MC would not want to visit the supermarket? The lie she told was the most convenient. Not some portion of it was a lie, it was outright full-fledged lie. For the rest of it, please refer to the last meme.

Kaija is a write off. Trust once broken is very hard to earn back. My MC won't trust her again. Fiona is cute, no question. I think Fiona is probably a sweetheart who has been burned by her family and I'll grow to love her like I do Elea. We don't know that yet so I'm just holding off getting attached to her until we know more. Same with Medb, I'm rather attracted to her, but I'm holding off her as well until we see who she is. She may be a deceitful dark elf succubus for all I know or there might be some sweet sensual warm heart under all that ice. We shall see.

Yep yep, she is a write off.

Is it possible that Ceolag Tsung took his soul too, that's why he posted that?

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[Dessolos]

How was she going to explain constant long business trips, all the secrecy, being on-call 24/7 etc. if she said she was working at a supermarket? Do you really think MC would not want to visit the supermarket? The lie she told was the most convenient. Not some portion of it was a lie, it was outright full-fledged lie. For the rest of it, please refer to the last meme.

o I agree it would make no sense if it was a supermarket all I was saying since it was close enough for me personally that anything that was hypothetically far away from it would make it worst to me. Did I say only a small portion of it was a lie then my bad didn't mean to. I thought I said I was just focusing on the career part of it not the entire thing. if im being honest like 1/2 of your meme's fall on deaf ears to me even tho I been on the internet my entire life pretty much I never paid attention to meme's so I don't really get alot of meme's I see lol.

But anyways i'm gonna go back to mostly ignoring this thread but devlogs nothing you said but I find it better for me personally. Since I kind of hate talking about Kaija most of the time as of a 1 - 3 months ago . As you guys are too good about bringing up some valid points but still cant get myself to agree lol. Which sometimes makes me feel shitty or ruins my mood for the rest of the day for liking her so much after long discussions about her as I feel I should dislike her but I cant. I guess I was bored today.

 

[ThorinKing]

hey still better to have a believable lie than saying I work at Walmart

I think that might be a good cover, though. Have you been to Walmart? Aliens and folks from alternate realities everywhere! Where do you think the 300lb people wearing their pajamas come from? They come through a Neverwhere portal from a dimension that is all single-wides in a place that resembles West Virginia!

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

o I agree it would make no sense if it was a supermarket all I was saying since it was close enough for me personally that anything that was hypothetically far away from it would make it worst to me. Did I say only a small portion of it was a lie then my bad didn't mean to. I thought I said I was just focusing on the career part of it not the entire thing. if im being honest like 1/2 of your meme's fall on deaf ears to me even tho I been on the internet my entire life pretty much I never paid attention to meme's so I don't really get alot of meme's I see lol.

But anyways i'm gonna go back to mostly ignoring this thread but devlogs nothing you said but I find it better for me personally. Since I kind of hate talking about Kaija most of the time as of a 1 - 3 months ago . As you guys are too good about bringing up some valid points but still cant get myself to agree lol. Which sometimes makes me feel shitty or ruins my mood for the rest of the day for liking her so much after long discussions about her as I feel I should dislike her but I cant. I guess I was bored today.

Don't stress mate. There is nothing wrong with liking Kaija. Just remember one man's psycho harpy is another man's sweet princess. Unfortunately I've experienced the psycho harpy, but now I have the sweet princess.

 

[Milton749]

Kaija is a write off. Trust once broken is very hard to earn back. My MC won't trust her again. Fiona is cute, no question. I think Fiona is probably a sweetheart who has been burned by her family and I'll grow to love her like I do Elea. We don't know that yet so I'm just holding off getting attached to her until we know more. Same with Medb, I'm rather attracted to her, but I'm holding off her as well until we see who she is. She may be a deceitful dark elf succubus for all I know or there might be some sweet sensual warm heart under all that ice. We shall see.

But why have we just met Fiona. We know she's hiding stuff, and it may be really innocent, but I'm really suspicious, that she has popped into MC's life on purpose and what she's hiding is going to affect MC in a big way in coming episodes. Or maybe I'm just a conspiracy theorist!

 

[Dessolos]

Don't stress mate. There is nothing wrong with liking Kaija. Just remember one man's psycho harpy is another man's sweet princess. Unfortunately I've experienced the psycho harpy, but now I have the sweet princess.

Thanks always appreciate the kind words Grumpy. I get that, tho I admit sometimes it does get to me and I forget that once in awhile. Especially when it feels like im one of the only pro Kaija ones active on the thread. ( I know there are others but at times doesn't feel like it) So I kind of just choose not to take part in those conversations much anymore , as much as I want to at times lol.

 

[Ceolag]

Hey everyone,

A bit earlier again since I'll be away later today until Sunday.
This week is a bit lower on the numbers because of our trip last weekend, a national holiday mid-week, and me spending some time creating my next test build.
The build includes the "shortcut path" with all renders and music.
After that, I started working on the long path through Chapter 5 which will keep me busy for the next several weeks.

Next week will be a bit like this week. Lots of work (the one that pays the bills) and no time on the weekend.
So the numbers next week will probably be pretty similar to this week.
After that, we're back to the normal schedule (hopefully).

The numbers for this week:
60 static renders for a total of 1494
no new animations
233 new lines in the script file for a total of 3989

Have a nice Star Wars weekend, guys.

Cheers,
Ceolag

 

[Raziel_8]

Nah, can't agree on that. She said she was working for government agency, this is an outright lie. She is very dishonest about what the first lie brought with it.

I mean yeah, that isn't anywhere close to the truth, but honestly that is a lie i don't even care much about.
The whole reason about the relationship, never loved him, MC in danger cause his parents etc that is a different story.

To be fair saying saying she was a government agent was probably as close as she could get to the truth that would be believable without showing the MC the Templar base / Neverwhere.

IIRC didn't the templars have a registered security company where the whole car pool was listed.
She could have just said she works for that private security company and due to the nature of the jobs they are classified...would be way closer to the truth.

Also wouldn't this private security firm a good way to find new recruits for the templars ?
They can see how competent/trustworthy they are, introduce them slowly to magical stuff, you know a ''unexpected'' encounter here and there, and if they proved themself introduction to the order.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

But why have we just met Fiona. We know she's hiding stuff, and it may be really innocent, but I'm really suspicious, that she has popped into MC's life on purpose and what she's hiding is going to affect MC in a big way in coming episodes. Or maybe I'm just a conspiracy theorist!

You maybe right, we don't know, she could be as big a sweetheart as Elea, we have to wait and see. Only Ceolag knows but then again maybe he hasn't thought that far ahead yet.

 

[Tulrek]

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

if im being honest like 1/2 of your meme's fall on deaf ears to me even tho I been on the internet my entire life pretty much I never paid attention to meme's so I don't really get alot of meme's I see lol.

Yeah, that's actually a problem of mine. In high school time I spent fair amount of time communicating through memes, that became an habit of mine. Most of the time when I talk about something, I am half joking, usually exaggerating etc. and suddenly I find myself in a serious discussion. I need to be more aware of what I said tbh.

But anyways i'm gonna go back to mostly ignoring this thread but devlogs nothing you said but I find it better for me personally. Since I kind of hate talking about Kaija most of the time as of a 1 - 3 months ago . As you guys are too good about bringing up some valid points but still cant get myself to agree lol. Which sometimes makes me feel shitty or ruins my mood for the rest of the day for liking her so much after long discussions about her as I feel I should dislike her but I cant. I guess I was bored today.

Hey, it makes you feel shitty I can stop it, no worries.

Don't stress mate. There is nothing wrong with liking Kaija. Just remember one man's psycho harpy is another man's sweet princess. Unfortunately I've experienced the psycho harpy, but now I have the sweet princess.

That is actually correct. It can even be both at the same time. I don't know if I ever talked about it before but my last relationship was like that. She was one of the sweetest person I know, always kind to people, has a bubbly personality but we were so toxic to each other she became a witch. While she was a psycho harpy to me, she was still sweet to other people.

But why have we just met Fiona. We know she's hiding stuff, and it may be really innocent, but I'm really suspicious, that she has popped into MC's life on purpose and what she's hiding is going to affect MC in a big way in coming episodes. Or maybe I'm just a conspiracy theorist!

Unless Ceo retcon things it's not likely, we have her thoughts after she met MC and there is no indication that it was something planned. Though, I am also curious about her past. It's huge blank so far and Ceo can draw almost anything on it.

Also wouldn't this private security firm a good way to find new recruits for the templars ?
They can see how competent/trustworthy they are, introduce them slowly to magical stuff, you know a ''unexpected'' encounter here and there, and if they proved themself introduction to the order.

That would be logical which Templars unfamiliar with, so no.