VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.5.0.4p] [Ceolag]

[Maviarab]

They are mostly a family centered order where most of the members are sons and daughters of senior members. Very few find out about them and request to join. They are like zealots who want to do anything and everything for what they believe. They are indoctrinated since very young and their actions are an element of instability. Remember that the Elvar wants them dissolved and out of Neverwhere and Elvar are not imperalistic warmongers.

Enough already.

Your job, your life....have absolutely zero to do with this story and/or game

Sure you're job is very interesting but no one cares and it is...off-topic.

https://f95zone.to/threads/the-neverwhere-tales-off-topic-discussion.236175/#post-15587657

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Remember that the Elvar wants them dissolved and out of Neverwhere and Elvar are not imperalistic warmongers.

From what we have seen so far, the Elvar appear to interact with the Templars as representatives of humans.

 

[yossa999]

They are mostly a family centered order where most of the members are sons and daughters of senior members. Very few find out about them and request to join. They are like zealots who want to do anything and everything for what they believe. They are indoctrinated since very young and their actions are an element of instability. Remember that the Elvar wants them dissolved and out of Neverwhere and Elvar are not imperalistic warmongers.

Oh, come on, Grand Master, enough of these jokes, they brought your predecessor to auto-da-fé. We still have elves to slaughter here, and you've already gotten drunk in the Order's cellars.

 

[Krytax123]

Oh, come on, Grand Master, enough of these jokes, they brought your predecessor to auto-da-fé. We still have elves to slaughter here, and you've already gotten drunk in the Order's cellars.

Its kinda funny how the templars are apparently a evil cult which indoctrinates their own kids and yet at the same time the MC's parents are HATED here for not involving their kids in their work/"cult" sooner and keeping them as far away from it as possible.

Make up your goddamn mind

 

[Maviarab]

Its kinda funny how the templars are a evil cult which indoctrinates their own kids and yet at the same time the MC's parents are HATED here for not involving their kids in their work/"cult" sooner and keeping them as far away from it as possible.

Make up your goddamn mind

Templars are just as hated. Only 2 so far in the organisation we have seen that don't seem like complete douches.

Also, no one ever said they wanted the parents to 'involve' them....

 

[Krytax123]

Templars are just as hated. Only 2 so far in the organisation we have seen that don't seem like complete douches.

Also, no one ever said they wanted the parents to 'involve' them....

I mean i dont even disagree that the templars seem to be a shit organisation (like most organisations like that) lol

There isnt this one great everybodys darling faction in this game (which is good imo).

There are a lot of people blaming the parents for not being honest/revealing the truth. And im not even saying thats wrong per se.

And telling your immature son that youre the grandmaster of the templars and that other dimensions exist is pretty much involving them, who wouldnt be curious after knowing that?

You could tell it would at least be the mc's own decision like that ... but is it really when you grow up hearing tales about neverwhere and all these fantasy elements or could it be seen as indoctrination already?

 

[Maviarab]

And telling your immature son that youre the grandmaster of the templars and that other dimensions exist is pretty much involving them, who wouldnt be curious after knowing that?

Why immature? No one is expecting him to tell a godamn 6 year old.

Who also said anything about telling about them who you are exactly and about other dimensions and shit. You're extrapolating and fantasising.

 

[Krytax123]

Why immature? No one is expecting him to tell a godamn 6 year old.

Who also said anything about telling about them who you are exactly and about other dimensions and shit. You're extrapolating and fantasising.

In my opinion the MC is even still immature at the start of the story and only slowly got better over the course of the story and is in a somewhat good place now.

I mean .. what else were they supposed to tell him if not about neverwhere or being templars? The whole Kaija thing is connected to that, revealing the one without the other doesnt make a lot of sense or am i wrong?

There is a valid reason to tell the MC and the sister and its because they are in danger due to it. But you kinda have to explain everything if it isnt supposed to be completly nonsensical.

 

[nitkonikic]

From what we have seen so far, the Elvar appear to interact with the Templars as representatives of humans.

And based on that, humanity is lucky they didn't yet decide to deploy alfar version of nukes.
That alone shows how patient and understanding Alfar leadership is.

Its kinda funny how the templars are apparently a evil cult which indoctrinates their own kids and yet at the same time the MC's parents are HATED here for not involving their kids in their work/"cult" sooner and keeping them as far away from it as possible.

Make up your goddamn mind

Personal opinion, not involving him is the only good thing MCs parents have done so far in the story.
Everything else they did makes them shitty parents.

 

[Knightcvel]

Enough already.

Your job, your life....have absolutely zero to do with this story and/or game

Sure you're job is very interesting but no one cares and it is...off-topic.

https://f95zone.to/threads/the-neverwhere-tales-off-topic-discussion.236175/#post-15587657

I was just explaining my hatred for those who claim to be the "legacy of templars". Before I was in my current position, I supported a candidate who lost and the winner, a freemason, put his brother (blood, not from the order) in my place and transfered me to a very distant place. There were other related to the last government but also a bunch of freemasons, demolays, Job's daughters, order of rainbow, etc. Most relatives of those in power. They treated us as trash making us do hard work in cleaning, loading and unloading trucks, cleaning spider infested buildings and instructed others to never talk to us. As soon the government denied wage increase and I detected revolt in others, I joined the leading for a general strike that interrupted activities for 15 days and it brought my name to proeminence. They "punished me" by paying my wages just for staying at home for six months without working or disturbing them. Well, it's off topic, but I posted that and this just to explain why I deeply abhor groups and people who claim to be related to templars and like.

 

[Knightcvel]

From what we have seen so far, the Elvar appear to interact with the Templars as representatives of humans.

But they want the dissolution of the order. It's their demand for the kidnapping.

 

[Knightcvel]

Why immature? No one is expecting him to tell a godamn 6 year old.

Who also said anything about telling about them who you are exactly and about other dimensions and shit. You're extrapolating and fantasising.

My mother and father told me I was adopted when I was 7 years old. I believe they spared me a lot of trauma and suffering if I had it figured out later in life. I am glad for not having parents like MC.

Their crime is even worse by staging a relationship just for keeping an eye on him. This single move is unforgiveble.

 

[Knightcvel]

Its kinda funny how the templars are apparently a evil cult which indoctrinates their own kids and yet at the same time the MC's parents are HATED here for not involving their kids in their work/"cult" sooner and keeping them as far away from it as possible.

Make up your goddamn mind

They set a fake relationship just to watch over him.

 

[motseer]

Ya'll should consider trying this my way. My MC has learned that everyone has their own agendas and are equally worthy of his mistrust; except, of course, the lovely Fiona. Therefore, he is fully prepared to hate everyone equally. Victor stat solus.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

But they want the dissolution of the order. It's their demand for the kidnapping.

I doubt that once the Templars were disbanded, the Elvar magically began to get along with every other human organization

except, of course, the lovely Fiona. Therefore, he is fully prepared to hate everyone equally. Victor stat solus.

What if Fiona was the third faction?

 

[Rehwyn]

What if Fiona was the third faction?

Wouldn't surprise me at all if her family is involved. She specifically talks about them liking to stir up conflict.

 

[nitkonikic]

My mother and father told me I was adopted when I was 7 years old. I believe they spared me a lot of trauma and suffering if I had it figured out later in life. I am glad for not having parents like MC.

Their crime is even worse by staging a relationship just for keeping an eye on him. This single move is unforgiveble.

Exactly!
They've set him up with woman that (depending on early choices) can turn out not to even love him.
She was just doing her job, his parents knew that, and kept their mouths shut.

There is no forgiving that. It's absurd how much mental damage that can cause to person, being in relationship with someone that doesn't love them for years, with his own parents keeping quiet about it since it makes their lives easy.

I am not running a single save with MC forgiving parents. Just can't.

Minor edit for those pedantic people around here:
technically they didn't set Kaija for him, but they sure as fuck did nothing to stop it, on either route.
They left that choice to her, even on non-love route. Fuck that shit.

 

[RNasc4444]

I am not running a single save with MC forgiving parents. Just can't.

Or Kaija. Why would you forgive the 3 main villains of this story?

 

[Knightcvel]

Exactly!
They've set him up with woman that (depending on early choices) can turn out not to even love him.
She was just doing her job, his parents knew that, and kept their mouths shut.

There is no forgiving that. It's absurd how much mental damage that can cause to person, being in relationship with someone that doesn't love them for years, with his own parents keeping quiet about it since it makes their lives easy.

I am not running a single save with MC forgiving parents. Just can't.

Minor edit for those pedantic people around here:
technically they didn't set Kaija for him, but they sure as fuck did nothing to stop it, on either route.
They left that choice to her, even on non-love route. Fuck that shit.

They asked her, and voted in the council. The only opposing vote was from that templar MILF. It means MC's own father supported the decision.

 

[nitkonikic]

Or Kaija. Why would you forgive the 3 main villains of this story?

Love? No.
Deep friendship (missing only 2-3 points total from not kissing her)? Yes.

Mostly for other side of story and to see how she develops when having to choose between MC and Templars.
I highly recommend playing through her high score route as well. Some great character development there, as much as I hate her.