VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.5.0.4p] [Ceolag]

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Pixillin'

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I don't know what I am doing wrong but I can't reach some options. I just heard Medb telling to pack and go away because she was killed and war is coming.
Hmm must not have had enough points with Medb - after she says that, she pauses grits her teeth and tells you you should come to the funeral.
 
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ename144

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Pfff..
Now this is an ass...not that pathetic attempt of earlier ;)

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There's no denying that Medb is an ass. :p


I don't know what I am doing wrong but I can't reach some options. I just heard Medb telling to pack and go away because she was killed and war is coming.
It is unfortunately very easy to miss the funeral scene if you don't get on well with Medb, and still possible to miss it even if you do (though harder than it was originally). IMHO skipping that scene really derails the end of the chapter, but the dev feels strongly that Medb would never tolerate the MC attending Finnabair's funeral merely because he was her friend.
 
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It is unfortunately very easy to miss the funeral scene if you don't get on well with Medb, and still possible to miss it even if you do (though harder than it was originally). IMHO skipping that scene really derails the end of the chapter, but the dev feels strongly that Medb would never tolerate the MC attending Finnabair's funeral merely because he was her friend.
Even when she does invite you, she's conflicted. Her daughter was just killed by Templars and in part she still sees you as a Templar but - if you've behaved yourself, you've shown that you are different from what she is used to - from humans and Templars - you've impressed Medb, their king and you were close to Finn. So after telling you you have to go, she pauses by the door, looks at the ceiling and says that you should come - because Finnabair would have wanted you there.
 
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Knightcvel

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Obviously people are free to feel differently, but motive and intent matters a lot to me. I'm much more likely to allow potential atonement and reconciliation if the motive behind a breach of trust was benevolent rather than malicious, even if the immediate result was the same. And at the core level, wanting to protect your children and give them a better life is benevolent, even if the way they tried to do it was dumb.
I have the conviction that you can and must keep secrets from your enemies because they will use every information to harm you. That's the justification to keep the order hidden, for instance and the identity of each of the templars a secret: protection against enemies. But you should not keep secrets from friends, family, spouses, loved ones. You must be open to them and tell everything to prepare them, make them able to deal with trouble when it arises and PROTECT them from the emotional effects of having a hidden secret disclosed and trust harmed. Secrets kept from loved ones are always toxic, and the damage is produced not because they are disclosed but because they were kept in first place. Secrets are a commom plot device in fiction just because they will demand a lot of resources from protagonists to be kept, it will stress them, consume mental energy and put them in conflict and after the reveal there will be the devastating effect on those who were kept in the dark and had their trust destroyed. So, keep secrets to protect someone? OK. But from enemies, not from beloved ones.
 
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yossa999

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I don't know what I am doing wrong but I can't reach some options. I just heard Medb telling to pack and go away because she was killed and war is coming.
Instead of hating Kaija, you should have befriended Finn. :KEK:
If she considers you a friend, then she calls you "min ebra" and then Medb will allow you to attend the funeral.
 

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I have the conviction that you can and must keep secrets from your enemies because they will use every information to harm you. That's the justification to keep the order hidden, for instance and the identity of each of the templars a secret: protection against enemies. But you should not keep secrets from friends, family, spouses, loved ones. You must be open to them and tell everything to prepare them, make them able to deal with trouble when it arises and PROTECT them from the emotional effects of having a hidden secret disclosed and trust harmed. Secrets kept from loved ones are always toxic, and the damage is produced not because they are disclosed but because they were kept in first place. Secrets are a commom plot device in fiction just because they will demand a lot of resources from protagonists to be kept, it will stress them, consume mental energy and put them in conflict and after the reveal there will be the devastating effect on those who were kept in the dark and had their trust destroyed. So, keep secrets to protect someone? OK. But from enemies, not from beloved ones.
I think you misunderstood me. My statement was not that keeping that secret from their children was beneficial, but that their decision to do so ultimately was from benevolent (if misguided) intent. And that when it comes to forgiveness and reconciliation, it is much easier for me to consider that when the intent that preceded the wrong is benevolent rather than malevolent.

Regardless of the result, MC's parents' intent was to try to protect and give their children a better life. This is vastly different from an ethical standpoint than if their intent was to harm them, even if the direct result was the same. There's a reason why determining intent is often so important in the court of law, and for me it applies as well to forgiveness and reconciliation.
 

ename144

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Instead of hating Kaija, you should have befriended Finn. :KEK:
If she considers you a friend, then she calls you "min ebra" and then Medb will allow you to attend the funeral.
Unfortunately, no. Befriending Finnabair is necessary (and it will get you some helpful points), but it's not enough to get you into the funeral on its own. You need to make a very good impression on Medb to mourn your friend.
 

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Unfortunately, no. Befriending Finnabair is necessary (and it will get you some helpful points), but it's not enough to get you into the funeral on its own. You need to make a very good impression on Medb to mourn your friend.
Actually, now it is easy AF.
All you have to do is after the mercy option, select "how she feels about that" and also "Pet the pussy" when it comes up, otherwise all you need is 13 LP's to get an invite.
 

yossa999

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Unfortunately, no. Befriending Finnabair is necessary (and it will get you some helpful points), but it's not enough to get you into the funeral on its own. You need to make a very good impression on Medb to mourn your friend.
Yeah, right, I omitted that because the guys already discussed it before me. But even if you're on good terms with Medb, Finn should consider you a friend. While I have my doubts, if you genuinely hate Kaija for her "lies", how you can be on a good terms with Medb, she doesn't seem to be known for being particularly honest or friendly with MC at the beginning. :KEK:
 

yossa999

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Actually, now it is easy AF.
All you have to do is after the mercy option, select "how she feels about that" and also "Pet the pussy" when it comes up, otherwise all you need is 13 LP's to get an invite.
Refuse to sit on the bench with Medb or decline her invitation to Elven Culture lessons and see what happens. :KEK:
EDIT: I'm playing Steam version if anything.
 

SamualHand

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Yeah, right, I omitted that because the guys already discussed it before me. But even if you're on good terms with Medb, Finn should consider you a friend. While I have my doubts, if you genuinely hate Kaija for her "lies", how you can be on a good terms with Medb, she doesn't seem to be known for being particularly honest or friendly with MC at the beginning. :KEK:
I told you already, it has nothing to do with Medb the crazy bitch, it has something to with Kaija, they all want to fuck her and doing their best to earn a visit... Once you accepted that, you'll see every behavior makes sense then....
 
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While I have my doubts, if you genuinely hate Kaija for her "lies", how you can be on a good terms with Medb, she doesn't seem to be known for being particularly honest or friendly with MC at the beginning. :KEK:
Personally I don't remember Medb ever lying to us. There were no evidence of it. That is unless I missed smth.
She was always pretty straight forward in her hatred towards Templars in general and MC who is also a Templar.

I think your hatred towards Kaija haters started clouding your own judgment :)
 
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Grumpy Old Aussie

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...if you genuinely hate Kaija for her "lies", how you can be on a good terms with Medb, she doesn't seem to be known for being particularly honest or friendly with MC at the beginning. :KEK:
The difference for me is, MC wasn't in a relationship with Medb. MC did have a relationship with Kaija. For me that is a huge difference. Medb can keep secrets, she has no reason to be honest with the MC unless she is trying to gain his trust. Kaija on the other hand was living with the MC in a marriage like relationship, she should have been honest with him about things that effect them or their relationship.
 

Knightcvel

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I think you misunderstood me. My statement was not that keeping that secret from their children was beneficial, but that their decision to do so ultimately was from benevolent (if misguided) intent. And that when it comes to forgiveness and reconciliation, it is much easier for me to consider that when the intent that preceded the wrong is benevolent rather than malevolent.

Regardless of the result, MC's parents' intent was to try to protect and give their children a better life. This is vastly different from an ethical standpoint than if their intent was to harm them, even if the direct result was the same. There's a reason why determining intent is often so important in the court of law, and for me it applies as well to forgiveness and reconciliation.
I believe I understand your point of view. The closest real-life comparison to this situation is when a child is adopted and only finds out after growing up. The feelings are the same as the MC's in the "Burn Bridges" route. Adopting a child is a noble act, even more so, I believe, than simply giving birth to one, and the parents who hid the truth from their adopted children did not do so out of malice—quite the opposite. However, the effects are equally devastating because we are human and not always rational; we have an entire emotional framework.

I’ve seen cases where children became enraged, left, and never reconnected. A young woman near where I live attempted suicide. Others cut ties with their entire family. Reading some posts on Reddit and Quora, I’ve seen parents asking for advice on how to tell the truth, and they behave just like the MC’s parents. They delay, promising to tell as soon as the holidays are over, or once their son or daughter finishes their college exams, or when they feel more stable. They try to find excuses to delay right there in the online discussions, just like the MC’s parents who wanted to wait until he was 18, then until Jess turned 18, then until she got into college and he settled into his new job. And everyone who has gone through this says: it’s much worse. When the truth comes out, if the children are now adults, it will be devastating.

That’s what happens in the route where the MC cuts ties, and it’s what we see happening in real life all the time. The other scenarios don’t capture this with the same precision. I’m interested in the topic because I was also adopted, but my mother told me when I was 7 years old and always reinforced how important I was. If she had kept it a secret and I had only found out as an adult, I would have hated my uncles and aunts, my cousins, brothers, and sisters who conspired to keep me in the dark. That would have destroyed my family life. Thankfully, my mother knew how to handle it, and I will be eternally grateful to her and my father, who literally saved my life by welcoming me and never deceiving me.


That’s what happened with the MC. Out of excessive caution, his parents caused significant harm, and in real life, it doesn’t get resolved as easily as in the game. Despite the noblest intentions, emotions come into play, and reason doesn’t survive.
 

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I was seeing some art on gallery. Fiona is running and in some of them she seems like a female green arrow. Any cues about her hidden nature? What are those green folk beings from Ireland? Leprechauns?
Again...look through the Lore and Legends thread....
I just finished chapter 5. Is it possible that Finnabair is just missing in action?
No. She's dead.
 

Knightcvel

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I told you already, it has nothing to do with Medb the crazy bitch, it has something to with Kaija, they all want to fuck her and doing their best to earn a visit... Once you accepted that, you'll see every behavior makes sense then....
Both Medb and Fiona are hiding things but they were not in a relationship with MC. The first is tecnically a polite enemy at first and the second is sharing slowly as most people who just met each other would do. That's entirely different of a life of lies and deceit against one who was almost her husband.
 

Knightcvel

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Refuse to sit on the bench with Medb or decline her invitation to Elven Culture lessons and see what happens. :KEK:
EDIT: I'm playing Steam version if anything.
I did everything, even resisted the sucubus but I was not able to have sex or attend the funeral. Some choices are very hard to go. Others I have no clue, for instance, going to the Templar Headquarters with Kaija in a car, instead of a motorcycle.
 

yossa999

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Personally I don't remember Medb ever lying to us. There were no evidence of it. That is unless I missed smth.
She was always pretty straight forward in her hatred towards Templars in general and MC who is also a Templar.

I think your hatred towards Kaija haters started clouding your own judgment :)
Nah, I like them, they entertain me.

But didn't Medb trick MC about the life debt? And she didn't try to deceive him later in the negotiations, taking him at his word, knowing full well that he was a newbie in their business?

Maybe she also lied later that female polygamy was the norm for Elves?
Oh wait... I think that last one is from another game...
 
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