Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.6a] [Ron Chon]

[Rapeseed]

No idea. I'm sure Ron will come up with a process.

Maybe make it a patreon tier perk, certainly a few of the supporters'll run thro' different paths to test everything.

I did mean to ask, tho', do we get to customize our room in any way? 0.3c had us with a nicer room, a prettier setting, but y'know, you guys were planning story content and maybe some sort of progress in the story could be shown off in the room?
The difference in detail is great, and although charmless, I much prefer this charmless but realistic room to the alternative.

You talked about sexy-time places, like the bathroom during dates, being an image - but will the background change depending on position if you're at a certain place? Let's say, you're in your - or any of the girl's - room, does it go from the panoramic background to a background of the bed or whatever?

 

[BeingADikDik]

No idea. I'm sure Ron will come up with a process.


Patience!


It's all good. It was a simple mistake. Not like I got a strike or something. The team is very chill.


I will personally crusade for him to be in your place.

Bring on SHE-Blob! XXXL-Men!

 

[Crichton]

I did mean to ask, tho', do we get to customize our room in any way?

That's too many art assets, which are currently the bottleneck. Iirc backgrounds are a pain in the ass for artists i've known growing up. Though i'm probably just being nervous due to past experiences watching all those single-man projects from artists who never programmed before getting way ahead of themselves and adding a whole feature and ui only to use it once. Then it's just there like a vestigial body part to constantly remind you of it.

 

[Rapeseed]

That's too many art assets, which are currently the bottleneck.

I was thinking more in the line of newspapers headlines, piece of clothing from your enemies, books laid about if you study more than often - just ways for the game to show that your character has a personality in their room?
Something like the "panties-hanging-on-the-wall" feature from Bully, y'know? Not even something you customize, I figure, just a show or no show option.
I'm not one to talk about art assets and how they work, just - an admittedly impressed - fan who's asking silly little questions about a smut game's development

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Maybe make it a patreon tier perk, certainly a few of the supporters'll run thro' different paths to test everything.

Yeah I don't think we'll want to lock things like that behind a paywall. I don't think we legally can.

What would be a patreon perk is still being discussed.

I know the OST is probably going to be one of them. Which, for those who didn't read previous posts about it we do have a guy making custom music for the game.

I did mean to ask, tho', do we get to customize our room in any way?

Well it's going to be like- Oh you already posted the idea.

You talked about sexy-time places, like the bathroom during dates, being an image - but will the background change depending on position if you're at a certain place? Let's say, you're in your - or any of the girl's - room, does it go from the panoramic background to a background of the bed or whatever?

Things can always change but for now, it's mostly gonna be bedsheets. In the future, we'll probably add grass or change the perspective for wall sex but again that's in the future. We plan on doing many revisions to ensure that early chapters will be just as good as the endgame.

I'm pretty sure our staff size will expand so increased talent will allow it.

That's too many art assets, which are currently the bottleneck.

Again yeah. Art is the thing holding up the release. Nothing against the artists. They're actually going at an impressively fast pace and we're not gonna treat them like they work in a sweatshop.

Iirc backgrounds are a pain in the ass for artists i've known growing up.

I think our background artist is a wizard or something because the stuff he's pushed out has been impressive and apparently the speed he's pushed out was him procrastinating. The guy can get a new background done in like half a day if he dedicates that time. The level of detail is something I'm used to having a week or two to complete.

Though i'm probably just being nervous due to past experiences watching all those single-man projects from artists who never programmed before getting way ahead of themselves and adding a whole feature and ui only to use it once.

Trust me. It's not a single-man situation. Our coder, UI maker, artists, writers, ect are all separate people. The only person being stressed out, to my knowledge, is me because comic books are WEIRD and I've had the team ask me several times "HOW DID THAT MAKE IT INTO A COMIC AVAILABLE FOR KIDS?!" Needless to say some gross-out moments such as the X-Men shrinking down to go into Kitty Pryde's uterus to kill aliens hiding inside it or X-23 performing back alley abortions with her claws on HERSELF will not feature in this game.

I was thinking more in the line of newspapers headlines, piece of clothing from your enemies, books laid about if you study more than often - just ways for the game to show that your character has a personality in their room?
Something like the "panties-hanging-on-the-wall" feature from Bully, y'know? Not even something you customize, I figure, just a show or no show option.

This was actually gonna be something I was gonna respond to being a possibility and I'm gonna throw it at the team. I don't even think our background artist will need to do it. Our UI guy can have it done in 5 minutes.

 

[Rapeseed]

Yeah I don't think we'll want to lock things like that behind a paywall. I don't think we legally can.

Big relief there, I want to be one but I've been going cardless for a few years now.

What would be a patreon perk is still being discussed.

I know the OST is probably going to be one of them. Which, for those who didn't read previous posts about it we do have a guy making custom music for the game.

I know some do renders, and most games have SFW and NSFW versions now-a-days - this Patreon-exclusive business is way too boring for me to actually think of something that'd make it worth it. I mean, this is a pirated games site as much as a game-advertisement one.

Well it's going to be like- Oh you already posted the idea.

You mean the headlines, hair and books idea?

I think our background artist is a wizard or something because the stuff he's pushed out has been impressive and apparently the speed he's pushed out was him procrastinating. The guy can get a new background done in like half a day if he dedicates that time. The level of detail is something I'm used to having a week or two to complete.

You already got my interested, it can only grow so much.

Needless to say some gross-out moments such as the X-Men shrinking down to go into Kitty Pryde's uterus to kill aliens hiding inside it or X-23 performing back alley abortions with her claws on HERSELF will not feature in this game.

What the fuck? What the fuck!? I don't believe you, this feels like the jokes I'd do to gaslight my friends - is that actually fucking real?

 

[Crichton]

Oh you guys already got a background artist. I've run out of things to ask. Maybe give us some silly comic stuff? Not the genosha polycule stuff tho. 80% of the time the weird stuff is just the author's thinly disguised fetish getting through, i swear.

 

[salscou]

What the fuck? What the fuck!? I don't believe you, this feels like the jokes I'd do to gaslight my friends - is that actually fucking real?

Youd be surprised by how much modern writers at marvel get off to misery porn, so laura performing abortions on herself doesnt really sound that far fetched for the cunts that took over comics.

 

[Rapeseed]

Youd be surprised by how much modern writers at marvel get off to misery porn, so laura performing abortions on herself doesnt really sound that far fetched for the cunts that took over comics.

I love edgy stuff like that, but I just can't see it being treated seriously - with someone being honestly paid to work on that. I'd laugh my ass off at something like that tho', like that Zootopia abortion comic.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

I'm not one to talk about art assets and how they work, just - an admittedly impressed - fan who's asking silly little questions about a smut game's development

Bring on the silly questions. I love answering them.

You mean the headlines, hair and books idea?

Check out the last quote. Yeah I'm asking about it. I don't think the others are awake and if they are they're probably at work or something.

What the fuck? What the fuck!? I don't believe you, this feels like the jokes I'd do to gaslight my friends - is that actually fucking real?

It obviously wasn't shown but in the comics X-23 was a hooker who used her powers to cater to guys into mutilation so she'd get clients who would jerk off while slicing her up. Birth control doesn't work on her because of her healing factor so she needed to get more than one abortion.

Oni hinted at this time in her life in the minimal bits of story he injects into Rogue-Like.

The comics are brutal to Laura as she had to resort to prostitution because the X-Men shunned her for attacking Wolverine and she was on the run from S.H.I.E.L.D. afterward. We're kinda bypassing that stuff since as far as the team is concerned it's just "something that happened" and nothing really important relies on it. At least none of the stories we plan on adapting rely on it.

Further things we're not including are-

Dazzler's incest clone baby who grows up and time travels to be the genetic material to clone into her future husband.

The time the X-Men shrunk down and went into Kitty Pryde's uterus to fight aliens.

Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch fucking while Wolverine watched.

Angel and Husk having sex in the air while Husk's mom watches.

Xavier having pedo thoughts about a 15 year old Jean Grey...

You guys get the idea.

Maybe give us some silly comic stuff?

Waaaay ahead of you. We got some side stories I'm dubbing "X-Bros."

Not the genosha polycule stuff tho.

The what?

Youd be surprised by how much modern writers at marvel get off to misery porn, so laura performing abortions on herself doesnt really sound that far fetched for the cunts that took over comics.

Yeah the team basically just wants me to outline the main story for the game and not bring up some of the squick.

I love edgy stuff like that, but I just can't see it being treated seriously

Yeah we're not gonna try and handle stuff like underaged prostitution and rape. We're taking pride in the quality of the writing we're intending to provide but at the end of the day this is a porn game where you'll be ramming Jean Grey up the ass and making Emma's mascara bleed as she deep throats you.

We know what we're doing and have enough sense not to try and make any statements or pretend we're adding something to a discussion.

 

[Rapeseed]

Bring on the silly questions. I love answering them.

Just check them PMs, you missed answering two of them.

Check out the last quote.

Nice, can't wait to be a smug book-worn jock.

It obviously wasn't shown but in the comics X-23 was a hooker (...)

Oni hinted at this time in her life in the minimal bits of story he injects into Rogue-Like.

The comics are brutal to Laura as she had to resort to prostitution because (...)

Honestly, I thought Oni was just being silly since it's a smut game - I knew she had some sort of misfortune in life, but fuck... how much of... all that... are you all just letting aside, as "something that just happened?"
How young was she when that happened? How old is she in the game now? I've worked with people with lost of social skills based on traumatic events and that's a character gold-mine if treated with a reader's respect in mind.

Further things we're not including are - (all that, damn)

You 100% shouldn't, but could there be at least one - 1, ONE, singular - line that says something in the line of; "Imagine if (thing that happened in the comic) happened? Wouldn't that be crazy?"

Yeah the team basically just wants me to outline the main story for the game and not bring up some of the squick.

I have some faith, but I do hope, sincerely, that you do a good job at making stuff more sexy/sensual and silly rather than just sexual and edgy.

Yeah we're not gonna try and handle stuff like underaged prostitution and rape. We're taking pride in the quality of the writing we're intending to provide but at the end of the day this is a porn game where you'll be ramming Jean Grey up the ass and making Emma's mascara bleed as she deep throats you.

We know what we're doing and have enough sense not to try and make any statements or pretend we're adding something to a discussion.

You don't make a good story with rape, or underage sex - you don't need edgeness to have human deception, all you need is respect and intuition to let it be natural (as opposed to forced) and realistic (as opposed to clear/non-dimensional.)

I've done writing in the past, and I had to touch on some bad plain of thoughts under characters I wanted to make enjoyable to read and the best tip there is for that is to make them interesting without fluff - less talking when their mind is being layed out on their own terms.
Spontanity in conveying ideals is great when you have intelligent realistic characters explaining stuff.

I've recently watched Sopranos, the entirety of it - it can be really stupid sometimes - but often it'll have the best dialogue I've ever had the pleasure of hearing. It helps that expressions can convey more than words and most of the cast kills it with their faces.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Honestly, I thought Oni was just being silly since it's a smut game - I knew she had some sort of misfortune in life, but fuck... how much of... all that... are you all just letting aside, as "something that just happened?"

Not to cast shade but that was Oni's approach.

Because we chose to switch to basing the world off the comic books instead of X-Men Evolution we had to make some changes as X-23 and Rogue don't join the team for real-world decades after when we're starting in the timeline.

So basically it's not "something that just happened", we're taking them from a point BEFORE it happened and we're gonna direct the story so that it never will.

How young was she when that happened?

I'm not 100% sure and I don't care to look for "confirmed ages" when in the last 60* years of X-Men comics only takes place within a 14 year timespan in universe. Though she was probably around 16 to 18. She was made after Wolverine became Weapon X

*X-Men#1 came out in 1963

How old is she in the game now?

19

I've worked with people with lost of social skills based on traumatic events and that's a character gold-mine if treated with a reader's respect in mind.

Yes but this is a porn game. I mean Four Elements Trainer made me feel sympathy for Azula of all characters and approached her psychological trauma in a respectful and nuanced manner but that was in between dick jokes and fourth wall meta humor.

As I've said before, we will never be more clever or funnier than Four Elements Trainer.

You 100% shouldn't, but could there be at least one - 1, ONE, singular - line that says something in the line of; "Imagine if (thing that happened in the comic) happened? Wouldn't that be crazy?"

We plan on doing some of that since the comic books themselves exist on Earth 69 completely intact as our real-world comics but we're gonna be selective in what we explicitly choose.

Like Kitty isn't going to pick up a comic book and go "Why did Mr. Lee allow an alien in my womb?!"

I have some faith, but I do hope, sincerely, that you do a good job at making stuff more sexy/sensual and silly rather than just sexual and edgy.

We're not gonna go for edgy at all. Maybe like joke edgy as in like we have the 90s Cable show up with a lot of guns and angry sneering and the MC is all like "Dude! Chill out!"

 

[Rapeseed]

Because we chose to switch to basing the world off the comic books instead of X-Men Evolution we had to make some changes as X-23 and Rogue don't join the team for real-world decades after when we're starting in the timeline.

So basically it's not "something that just happened", we're taking them from a point BEFORE it happened and we're gonna direct the story so that it never will.

Probably the best sort of fan-fiction is one that has an author acknowledge the end of it all isn't what made it so great. Not fan-fiction, but, as an example, the Star Wars TV animated series.

Yes but this is a porn game. I mean Four Elements Trainer made me feel sympathy for Azula of all characters and approached her psychological trauma in a respectful and nuanced manner but that was in between dick jokes and fourth wall meta humor.

As I've said before, we will never be more clever or funnier than Four Elements Trainer.

I'll try the game out - although, ugh, meta humor... I had enough of that.
I'll say this however, as someone who consumed mostly adult-oriented and mechanical-focused media since childhood - you freaks (people centered around media) with all of them analysis and different interpretations of comic books, teen shows and movies is fun to be around of.

Like Kitty isn't going to pick up a comic book and go "Why did Mr. Lee allow an alien in my womb?!"

"Looks like there's something in my belly. Mister Lee..."
*cuts to him furiously jacking it as laugh tracks play*

We're not gonna go for edgy at all. Maybe like joke edgy as in like we have the 90s Cable show up with a lot of guns and angry sneering and the MC is all like "Dude! Chill out!"

Not the best in my opinion, but don't overdo it, yeah?

 

[Crichton]

The what?

Emma's mascara bleed as she deep throats you.

Pardon the formatting, on mobile.

My bad, Krakoa. I don't know how much was fan exaggeration, but I heard 2nd hand about like a sex cult thing.

Please tell me those assets were made, they don't even need to be implemented, just tell me somewhere out there is a file by the artist for that.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

I'll try the game out

Don't choose the slave route unless you actively dislike Avatar the Last Air Bender.

you freaks (people centered around media)

I wear this label proudly.

My bad, Krakoa. I don't know how much was fan exaggeration, but I heard 2nd hand about like a sex cult thing.

I... Okay I need to look into this. I haven't looked into more recent comics but I need to find out what the hell this is.

Please tell me those assets were made, they don't even need to be implemented, just tell me somewhere out there is a file by the artist for that.

Of Emma? I mean we intend on implementing them last I checked

 

[Crichton]

I... Okay I need to look into this. I haven't looked into more recent comics but I need to find out what the hell this is.


Of Emma? I mean we intend on implementing them last I checked

Some scant details i've collected. It looks like one of their 3 tenets is "make more mutants" resulting in a whole bunch of people pairing up. Unclear if it's poly or strictly monogamous stuff.

Krakoa, the living island, has now become mutant Wakanda. They export medicinal super plants. 5 mutants use their powers together in a ritual to resurrect any and all mutants. Dead heros and villains are brought back and make peace.

God bless whichever devs decided to put that in.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Some scant details i've collected. It looks like one of their 3 tenets is "make more mutants" resulting in a whole bunch of people pairing up. Unclear if it's poly or strictly monogamous stuff.

Krakoa, the living island, has now become mutant Wakanda. They export medicinal super plants. 5 mutants use their powers together in a ritual to resurrect any and all mutants. Dead heros and villains are brought back and make peace.

God bless whichever devs decided to put that in.

The idea I had was to stop around before Onslaught shows up. With the exception of a few comics that came out to fill some of the girl's side stories.

I mentioned all Limbo content would be exclusive to Magik and we recently decided to make Days of Future's Past into a Kitty-focused story. Meaning you don't get to see either unless you pursue them. Although we mentioned waaaay earlier that you can explore these routes platonically.

With Laura, all of her content is way past Onslaught. So some things will be popping up earlier in the timeline.

In my off time, I've been penning outlines for sequels primarily set after M-Day where the MC just goes around and takes part in various story arcs like Civil War. Though don't expect anything like that for YEARS. We still wanna get this game out for you guys.

 

[twoEyedCyclops]

...
The only person being stressed out, to my knowledge, is me because comic books are WEIRD and I've had the team ask me several times "HOW DID THAT MAKE IT INTO A COMIC AVAILABLE FOR KIDS?!" Needless to say some gross-out moments such as the X-Men shrinking down to go into Kitty Pryde's uterus to kill aliens hiding inside it or X-23 performing back alley abortions with her claws on HERSELF will not feature in this game.

Further things we're not including are-

Dazzler's incest clone baby who grows up and time travels to be the genetic material to clone into her future husband.

The time the X-Men shrunk down and went into Kitty Pryde's uterus to fight aliens.

Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch fucking while Wolverine watched.

Angel and Husk having sex in the air while Husk's mom watches.

Xavier having pedo thoughts about a 15 year old Jean Grey...

You guys get the idea.

Seizure warning, flashing lights

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Seizure warning, flashing lights

Mood.

 

[Rapeseed]

Don't choose the slave route unless you actively dislike Avatar the Last Air Bender.

Well. Screw me, I guess - Katara has been crying a lot tho' and it feels rather bad. Though, I'll admit to liking the writing more often than not so thanks for the reccommendation - the humor however...

I wear this label proudly.

If you're able to make good media with the knowledge for other media, then you should feel proud. We'll see how good it'll be yet, tho'.

Spoiler: Some scant details i've collected.

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Are rituals, resurrections and weird non-convencional relations a thing with Marvel? I always thought DC was the more liberal one.
Marvel has a character titled Captain America, and I heard he's... good? So I'd think they'd be more conservative...

Spoiler: The idea I had was to stop around before Onslaught shows up.

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What's Onslaught Limbo and Days of Future Past? I swear you're just mentioning stuff because you know I'm reading them all.
Ah, sigh. Gimme their issues, will you please?

With Laura, all of her content is way past Onslaught. So some things will be popping up earlier in the timeline.

I'm pleasantly curious as to how Null chooses its interpretation of Laura, clearly she has to go thro' some stuff to be who she is, but how much of goes into her being who she is will be fun to read.

In my off time, I've been penning outlines for sequels primarily set after M-Day where the MC just goes around and takes part in various story arcs like Civil War.

That reads like a lot of extra work on your guy's side - please, only if working on the main game gets too underwhelming or after the main six years, yeah?

What's M-Day and Civil War? I think I've heard from that Civil War - the movie - how much does it differ from the Comics?

'Least now I have a voice for the guy when I read his lines - amazing old cartoon voice acting tho'.