Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.6a] [Ron Chon]

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Oh yeah I've told Rogue I wanna date others, but she doesn't want to go poly yet, that's my problem

so yeah I sort of assumed last night that I'd gotten to the point where it would work but turns out no as freddybelow confirms..

I'm not sure if it means i would have gotten a greenlight from all 3 to be with the others had i already finished all dates before: i got all dates of R and J, but only the first allowed poly (maybe this was automatic since I had already got gf-status with J).

As explained below, having not gone thru 3 dates with L before I got jealous J, means the development of "Laura Relationship" will have to wait. And, seeing that all "X Realtionship" quests are "side Quests" it should not effect the rest of the game.

Polyamory:
Don't feel pressured to complete side-quests during early seasons, in particular the first 2-3 seasons with their lousy stat limits (250/500/750/1000). Side-quests are taken over to the next season, except this attend-class one where you get a +20% xp bonus per season. Gifts and dates are more suitable for season 3 spring or better 4 summer as the main story objective dialogues can easily make the stats bump to the limits and you'll regret grinding too much early. That's why I recommend not to feel forced to grind, but rather take it slow and focus on the main story objectives at beginning.

Love requirement is supposedly 750/750, but my stats for Rogue were 671/667 when she accepted other dates. Friendships among the girls were already maxed at this time, but "Best Friend" shouldn't be necessary among R+L only. Jean can't be BF to anyone yet.
Love and Sex both have 750/750 and different event-dialogues what could be mixed up in particular for Laura who is always confused about this.
I also still missed the second quirk of Laura, where I read in the files something about Love-requirement, but not sure if I forgot a dialogue option somewhere. Quirks shouldn't be necessary for anything like poly anyway.
Yeah, it's all a bit fuzzy to follow with these stat-requirement. I'm going to make better notes on my second playthrough when the next major update hits.
There are three Relationship side-quests I/II/III followed by Love. I recommend to do the one where you have to do 3 dates to complete with all girls slowly simultanously, so you won't progress too quickly with one girl. As long as no one is in love, there should be no problem to date everyone.
Dates take a long time, so don't overdo it with them as they also cost money as long as Null wasn't invited and the girls insist to pay. Fooling around should be much faster to earn love at least. Trust is fast enough earned during taking classes together and studying in the evening/night, besides picking the right event dialogue choices.

thanks for the explanation..

I hope I haven't missed anything by gifting them everything i could afford regularly...

funny how i sort of expected the game to be much smaller, like thru the grind to increase options in season one was how i''m getting most of the game...

problem now, i don't see how i can stop playing before i got to work next week. (this is why i haven't touched a serious PC game in a decade)... this is so FUN!

 

[FacelessVixen]

I'm having an issue with the save file size, it's saving a 1.4GB save file each time i save, which seems weird to me

Memory leak. The devs already know about it. Should be fixed in 0.5b.

 

[King_In_Yellow]

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[King_In_Yellow]

More Preview and changelog for 0.5b
RonChon:we are adding Rogue's new blowjob pose in 0.5b!
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[OnlyUsedForNever]

Does anyone know if there's a console command to fix Rogue complaining that I cheated on her with laura even though I've long since gotten permission from her to date all the girls? Or if there's plans to fix it in .5b?

 

[FacelessVixen]

Does anyone know if there's a console command to fix Rogue complaining that I cheated on her with laura even though I've long since gotten permission from her to date all the girls? Or if there's plans to fix it in .5b?

From the change log in King_In_Yellow's post as an attachment:

<cheating overhaul>
- we've changed how we're handling the cheating flags, hopefully the new system is much more intuitive and less prone to weird delayed behaviors!

But we'll see for sure when we get our hands on it.

 

[OnlyUsedForNever]

From the change log in King_In_Yellow's post as an attachment:


But we'll see for sure when we get our hands on it.

Sorry, should've checked that myself.

Thank you for the info tho, fingers crossed.

 

[Shitty]

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It's already a million times better, Dev knocked it out of the park on this one

 

[jvbatman]

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That dick does not look healthy.

 

[Deleted member 5862065]

It's already a million times better, Dev knocked it out of the park on this one

This is great, I can't wait till Jean come's around.

 

[freddygonzo]

What happens to a girl if you don't allow a specific quirk? Does she change radically?

Good question. I haven't tested this either yet as these dialogue options only marginally appear throughout the seasons.
I've only checked a main story script once where at least friendship ranks are checked for different dialogues, but otherwise quirks shouldn't impact that much, similar like the determined/reluctant/bitter (moon/star) dialogue options which all lead to the same main story outcome.
I'd still pick always the thumb-up options as these behaviors lovely suit to the girls' character and most likely give more stat points in the long run.
Damn, can't get enough big sis hugs!

 

[Shitty]

Can you make the girls best friends or is good friends as far as you can get in the current version?

 

[freddygonzo]

Can you make the girls best friends or is good friends as far as you can get in the current version?

Current Limits for 0.5a
Rogue & Laura to each other: Best
Jean: Good

What is only optionally required for main story:
Season: Spring = Rogue & Laura should become good friends.
Season: Summer = Rogue & Laura should become "very" good friends, possibly "best" meant. Rogue & Jean should become friends.
These are optional objectives for additonal stat point rewards, so not necessarily required to progress the main story.
Otherwise, everyone should become good friends for working polyamory, but these requirements are still vague to me to fully comprehend.

Pick class sessions when most girls are there or text-call them later to class oneself (Trust 400, Laura 300) and the friendships should improve without much pool activity over time.
I usally spent the evenings jobbing for Xavier, while the rest of the day can be used for studying/fooling with the lowest-stat girl.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

This is just an update that we will be fixing the relationship flags and points so y'all don't need to worry about min-maxing or if you're going to the next season too soon.

The intent was to make a game that didn't need min-maxing and that kinda happened by accident. We're amending this.

 

[Shitty]

Current Limits for 0.5a
Rogue & Laura to each other: Best
Jean: Good

What is only optionally required for main story:
Season: Spring = Rogue & Laura should become good friends.
Season: Summer = Rogue & Laura should become "very" good friends, possibly "best" meant. Rogue & Jean should become friends.
These are optional objectives for additonal stat point rewards, so not necessarily required to progress the main story.
Otherwise, everyone should become good friends for working polyamory, but these requirements are still vague to me to fully comprehend.

Pick class sessions when most girls are there or text-call them later to class oneself (Trust 400, Laura 300) and the friendships should improve without much pool activity over time.
I usally spent the evenings jobbing for Xavier, while the rest of the day can be used for studying/fooling with the lowest-stat girl.

Oh thank fuck I was spamming the pool event between Jean and Laura wondering why they weren't becoming best friends glad to now I don't have to do that anymore.

 

[FacelessVixen]

That dick does not look healthy.

Eh. A little smeg never hurt anyone.

 

[testington]

I've got a weird thing happening when i'm having the relationship talk and tell them im poly. They answer they're not ready but the next dialogue starts with "so we're boyfriend and girlfriend now?" "Yes!". And then they get mad at me for flirting with the rest.
Is that an error of the Cheats Mod or does it come from the game itself?
I'm willing to start over after deleting the cheat mod (i hope that and starting a new save will be enough) if it means the relationships progress normal.

 

[FacelessVixen]

I've got a weird thing happening when i'm having the relationship talk and tell them im poly. They answer they're not ready but the next dialogue starts with "so we're boyfriend and girlfriend now?" "Yes!". And then they get mad at me for flirting with the rest.
Is that an error of the Cheats Mod or does it come from the game itself?
I'm willing to start over after deleting the cheat mod (i hope that and starting a new save will be enough) if it means the relationships progress normal.

Column A, and maybe column B.

Column A being that the game has been shitting the bed as far as what detains cheating and getting polygamy approval goes for the past few updates. I didn't have any issues in the 0.2 and 0.3 versions, but the 0.4 versions is where things started getting messy. And sleepingkirby is more prepared than I am to talk about column B, assuming that you're using his cheat injector.

 

[testington]

Column A, and maybe column B.

Column A being that the game has been shitting the bed as far as what detains cheating and getting polygamy approval goes for the past few updates. I didn't have any issues in the 0.2 and 0.3 versions, but the 0.4 versions is where things started getting messy. And sleepingkirby is more prepared than I am to talk about column B, assuming that you're using his cheat injector.

Thanks a lot for answering!
Another question if you will
Would you recommend starting over without the cheat injector (yes im using sleepingkirby's)or is it not really worth it?
As in the difference is not that big if they start coming to terms with the poly now with the error or later "naturally" or the risk of the game being at fault and doing it anyway at some point?

EDIT: IF it even was the cheat injector of course.

 

[FacelessVixen]

Thanks a lot for answering!
Another question if you will
Would you recommend starting over without the cheat injector (yes im using sleepingkirby's)or is it not really worth it?
As in the difference is not that big if they start coming to terms with the poly now with the error or later "naturally" or the risk of the game being at fault and doing it anyway at some point?

EDIT: IF it even was the cheat injector of course.

My plan is to start 0.5b fresh (including deleting the saves in AppData) to see if their new adjustments work in practice (and catch more glimpses of the legendary Nine Inch Nails shirt). However, I do not feel comfortable recommending doing one thing or another, because whichever action you feel as though you should take depends on how you personally react to the issue.

The last time it happened to me in 0.4b, I was at the end of the game (as of this post), had Rogue at 1,000 for love and trust, was having sex with her, and she gave me the approval to date Jean, so getting bumped down to the mid 900's and not being able to talk to Rogue for a week over whatever "cheating" that the game thinks I did with Laura, is a relatively minor nuance all things considered, even though I'm less immersed and feel like I'm performing quality assurance; which to be fair, it expected for playing a game that is years away from 1.0. Also, my last experience with the bug was also my third experience with it, so I'm just kind of used to it and can make jokes about it, because it's not like getting caught cheating has any real consequences in game. It just hurts your feelings in a "Wait, what the fuck?! When did I ever...!" kind of way.