Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.7b] [Ron Chon]
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How kinky is the game planned to get? There is already butt plugs, remote vibes, and light choking. Are there plans for other things like hair pulling, anal beads, and handcuffs?
And I know that gay content isn't really a priority. But since threesome content is being worked on (if I remember seeing that correctly) what about MMF threesome?
Of course Null would have to completely block rogue's power like RLE or it would be a bad time for the other guy...
And I know that gay content isn't really a priority. But since threesome content is being worked on (if I remember seeing that correctly) what about MMF threesome?
Of course Null would have to completely block rogue's power like RLE or it would be a bad time for the other guy...
Nice, thanks. It also seems like you retroactively add events to seasons, so that may be an argument in favor of not closing them off after that season when it's reasonable not to do so.
Another thing is that I spent a while fruitlessly attending class because I had no indication I'd hit the cap - the game tells you it's 5 levels per chapter but I thought chapter meant season - and I kept getting messages saying I'd earned XP - and the status screen has no XP numbers to make the stagnancy explicit - and the XP bar still has white on it when you hit the cap, so I thought I just needed to grind a lot more for each subsequent level.
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Looks like you just need to go to the hallway outside Null's (the player character's) room, that should trigger one since there is an "!" under boy's hall.
Those items are a possibility. MMF threesomes are not.
Dafaq? No MMf threesomes. Only FFM threesomes
- Jul 11, 2020
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Having finally played through Chapter One again with the recent updates, I'm really glad to see how the work is coming together so nicely on this. I'm genuinely interested in seeing where this goes, which feels somewhat weird to say for a porn game.
Some thoughts:
Sorry for that wall of bullet points, but it just goes to show that I'm really liking this game. It's easily one of the most promising on the site right now. Please, keep up the great work!
Might have to see if I have enough regular spare money to support you guys on Patreon at this rate...
Some thoughts:
- The new artwork for the girls is great. Rogue's new missionary looks brilliant, and I can't wait to see the rest of the new poses for her and the other two. The new backgrounds are all great too.
- Similarly, the various new hairstyles are also great and add a nice bit of variety.
- Though the wet hair doesn't always turn back into dry hair when the girls change out of their swimsuits post-shower/pool.
- The sex game is much more stable now. Though I still get the occasional crash, which I'm putting down to my laptop, they're nowhere near as frequent as in the previous build.
- The updated UI is much clearer and easier to figure out, but I have to be honest — I prefer the original red/yellow colour scheme to the red/grey, which just feels a little too generic and un-X-Men-y to me. That's only in terms of the visual aesthetic though — on every other level, the interface is a real improvement.
- In terms of the world, I think it needs to feel more connected. The bedrooms and the two hallways are all connected via the on-screen options, meaning you can just click from one room to the next. But for every other location you need to open up the menu and go into the map, or assign three of them to the hotkeys.
- The explanations of the kink and morality icons, and the simplification of the wardrobe, are all much appreciated.
- It takes too long to find out what the girls' sex preferences are, since you're left waiting for whenever the '?' changes to a heart or dot. But conversely, it's then also ridiculously easy to get an A every time, so you're left in this weird area where the preferences/rankings are inconsequential. I assume the devs are intending to flesh out the sex game over time, but I still feel it's worth pointing this out (if it hasn't been already).
- The writing and character progression is just as good as it was the first time round, which is a sign of quality, and hopefully it'll only get even better as the game develops further. The new flavour text and side-events go a long way in terms of characterisation, too.
- This second playthrough makes me wonder just how the hell the devs are going to balance it all when they introduce the new girls, because it's already pretty busy even with just these three in the early stage Seems to me that having a dozen girls by the end (or however many the end goal is) could make things way too crowded. Is there going to be a limit on how many girls you can hook up with at once? Will there be relationship decay if you don't interact with one girl regularly enough, or perhaps even a dislike meter if you fuck up? Would elements of the story be dependent on which girls you're with (both in a physical sense of who's in the scene and in a relationship sense), or a point where you'd have to make some sort of choice between one girl and another? I'm curious to see how this will be handled when you get there.
- And finally, with the comic shop Nightcrawler talks about, you should really at least mention Jack Kirby as the co-owner or something as well. It always peeves me when it's just Stan who gets the cameo spotlight, as if he did everything himself. Respect the King, damn it!
Sorry for that wall of bullet points, but it just goes to show that I'm really liking this game. It's easily one of the most promising on the site right now. Please, keep up the great work!
Might have to see if I have enough regular spare money to support you guys on Patreon at this rate...
- Sep 23, 2021
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Definitely no MMF! Two people potentially snikting me as a orgasm reflex is not my happy place.
- Jun 15, 2022
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Yeah, only female "snikts." Besides, Wolvie does not share... Heck, he has difficulty being part of team already.
- Sep 7, 2019
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My review of the game
There is a lot to like in this game and especially considering it is relatively early in development it is very promising. 4/5.
The game has gorgeous and detailed art and expands Rogue-like: Evolution formula with the aspect of storytelling. So far art is more detailed, more plentiful and more consistent. I prefer evolution style Rogue from RLE, but all other girls (Jean, Laura and a bit of Storm so far) are hands down more attractive in TNH. And while RLE sexual sandbox is quite well-developed and has a plethora of options, its story is very basic, and the engagement is system driven rather than narrative. Sex is practically the only thing that this supposed superheroes do in RLE. Leading players with a story and giving them goals to achieve, ads sense of direction in TNH. Storytelling has two main conduits: big story events between chapters/seasons and some second hand stories you hear during conversations (with a nice touch that some characters are on occasions unavailable because they are on missions).
I like much of the writing (with one big exception, below). It is fun to take girls to movies, where you can get to know them better by observing their different reactions. Girls have their own stories and struggles. Their powers factor in your relationships too to a degree, their powers having some interactions with yours. Like the interfaces a lot too, very modern, very clean, one of the best I have seen in Renpy game. Seems decently balanced, gaining favour with the girls, earning money or XP engage you in main game loop and sandbox but does not get too tedious, with a bit of exception to hunting optional mini-events that have unspecified requirements, not sure if they random or trigger at relationship thresholds.
However, there are some problems. I start with ones I consider minor. So far this story events have very little hook, they seem rather random. You stumble into a fight, you unlock some powers, you need to train some more (after). No sense of mystery, existing challenge or rising threat, and certainly no sense of agency. There are some choices, kinda, would be actually grateful if someone spelled it out for me how much impact that this whole Determined /Reluctant /Bitter thing can even have on events (can I get better/ different options /outcomes of any events choosing differently?) - so far it doesn't seem to do much, tie to anything meaningful - and from searching the game thread, seems to be flavour only, but is introduced in very dramatic fashion, with special icons and context and explanations. Sure, your attitude (and no, it is not personality, personality is something stable, you don't change your personality 4 times a year) IRL will have major effects on your motivation and approach/avoidance psychological systems, but there are no such systems in game. And the game pretty explicitly seems to signal to you, that there will be no supervillany stuff here, no going renegade, no abuse of power so why bother with such obvious illusion of choice?
And this is not the only confusing choice subsystem: the one with lips or crossed lips icons is somewhat explained before you encounter it, but without mention of the icons, so when I encountered it I thought lips means continuing romance and crossed lips stopping it, but then after few times when I chose always lips it dawned on me, that it seems to be more about girls... flavour? Fetish? Quirk? And I remember Kurt mentioning reinforcing or discouraging some of the girls behaviours. So in total you have 3 type of choices. Standard ones (no icons) are the most clear: number go up or down (trust/love), part of the main game loop. Other two with icons, not so much, game creators seem to have some idea for it, but seems unwilling to spell it out what could be the consequences, and just playing the game choosing one over another doesn't seem to make much difference so far. So I would say design language was not intuitive for me, and would be clearer without icons suggesting that I'm making some crucial decision here (rejecting a girl or choosing a path for myself). Or just spell the effects like in normal choices (for example, "you encouraged Laura protectives" similar to "you gained 6 trust").
There are some missing functions I hope will improve. Girls can get levels, seen a notification popping up, but blink, and it is gone. Haven't found any place to check what level they are currently, nor what exactly changes with levels. They don't seem to gain stamina, and there is no other stat that we can observe. The poor communication of some very important facts and stats. There seem to be level 5 cap for yourself, you can reach it early, and there is no indication that you can progress any further (like when you reach max trust or love), in fact you seem to still be getting XP, just bar stops moving, but It's really hard to say if it completely stops or is just progressing more slowly. And there are still nodes in your skill tree that you want to reach, and they present as available. There is actually no value to check only very small bar (especially on Steam Deck screen). Same with sex minigame, at first you hit a cap, but you can't really be sure what is going on.
The last of the minor criticisms might be work in progress kinda thing. There is "combat" tab in character info screens, but it is empty, there is constant training, but there is no combat action, not even simplest kind. There is character progression, and gaining powers, but absolutely no way for you to use them in any shape or form.
There is one MAJOR gripe I have with the game: borderline bureaucratic management in sex scenes. Let me make myself clear: I don't begrudge creators for emphasizing consent. IRL consent is important, because real people can get really hurt if you are not responsible. I fully get that. I will admit that porn games with abuse of power and strong sexual domination fantasies are my preference, for fantasies that have no place in real life, but this criticism is not about that, I'm not trying to force my preference here. There are other games that cater to these fantasies. However, and I know it was already mentioned few times before, verbally and explicitly asking EVERY TIME you make any, even smallest, action during sex scenes is absolutely ridiculous and just kills the flow or excitement or spirit of play. You can actually kiss the same girl without written application in triplicate as a flirt action. Girls can take initiative too. But when you start sexual action, even when you are already balls depp in her pussy after she swallowed your firs load, you still have to verbally confirm if she is for sure absolutely comfortable holding hands. Seriously. So you are saying, that you cannot learn your preferences and boundaries, there is no body language that factors into the equation you cannot even set ground rules before if you're so worried about misreading more subtle cues. You cannot, for example, write it: "you slowly rise your hand to her breast and see her nod/smile/shudder with anticipation". Maybe this explicit verbal consent could make sense if you are role-playing submissive with domina situation. Or maybe (just spitballing) as a for of sexual therapy for someone that was mind controlled and need to regain their sense of control and agency.
// I'll put my thoughts as a review as well, just cutting mentions of Rogue-like: Evolution to conform to review rules, but I'm putting my full text here.
There is a lot to like in this game and especially considering it is relatively early in development it is very promising. 4/5.
The game has gorgeous and detailed art and expands Rogue-like: Evolution formula with the aspect of storytelling. So far art is more detailed, more plentiful and more consistent. I prefer evolution style Rogue from RLE, but all other girls (Jean, Laura and a bit of Storm so far) are hands down more attractive in TNH. And while RLE sexual sandbox is quite well-developed and has a plethora of options, its story is very basic, and the engagement is system driven rather than narrative. Sex is practically the only thing that this supposed superheroes do in RLE. Leading players with a story and giving them goals to achieve, ads sense of direction in TNH. Storytelling has two main conduits: big story events between chapters/seasons and some second hand stories you hear during conversations (with a nice touch that some characters are on occasions unavailable because they are on missions).
I like much of the writing (with one big exception, below). It is fun to take girls to movies, where you can get to know them better by observing their different reactions. Girls have their own stories and struggles. Their powers factor in your relationships too to a degree, their powers having some interactions with yours. Like the interfaces a lot too, very modern, very clean, one of the best I have seen in Renpy game. Seems decently balanced, gaining favour with the girls, earning money or XP engage you in main game loop and sandbox but does not get too tedious, with a bit of exception to hunting optional mini-events that have unspecified requirements, not sure if they random or trigger at relationship thresholds.
However, there are some problems. I start with ones I consider minor. So far this story events have very little hook, they seem rather random. You stumble into a fight, you unlock some powers, you need to train some more (after). No sense of mystery, existing challenge or rising threat, and certainly no sense of agency. There are some choices, kinda, would be actually grateful if someone spelled it out for me how much impact that this whole Determined /Reluctant /Bitter thing can even have on events (can I get better/ different options /outcomes of any events choosing differently?) - so far it doesn't seem to do much, tie to anything meaningful - and from searching the game thread, seems to be flavour only, but is introduced in very dramatic fashion, with special icons and context and explanations. Sure, your attitude (and no, it is not personality, personality is something stable, you don't change your personality 4 times a year) IRL will have major effects on your motivation and approach/avoidance psychological systems, but there are no such systems in game. And the game pretty explicitly seems to signal to you, that there will be no supervillany stuff here, no going renegade, no abuse of power so why bother with such obvious illusion of choice?
And this is not the only confusing choice subsystem: the one with lips or crossed lips icons is somewhat explained before you encounter it, but without mention of the icons, so when I encountered it I thought lips means continuing romance and crossed lips stopping it, but then after few times when I chose always lips it dawned on me, that it seems to be more about girls... flavour? Fetish? Quirk? And I remember Kurt mentioning reinforcing or discouraging some of the girls behaviours. So in total you have 3 type of choices. Standard ones (no icons) are the most clear: number go up or down (trust/love), part of the main game loop. Other two with icons, not so much, game creators seem to have some idea for it, but seems unwilling to spell it out what could be the consequences, and just playing the game choosing one over another doesn't seem to make much difference so far. So I would say design language was not intuitive for me, and would be clearer without icons suggesting that I'm making some crucial decision here (rejecting a girl or choosing a path for myself). Or just spell the effects like in normal choices (for example, "you encouraged Laura protectives" similar to "you gained 6 trust").
There are some missing functions I hope will improve. Girls can get levels, seen a notification popping up, but blink, and it is gone. Haven't found any place to check what level they are currently, nor what exactly changes with levels. They don't seem to gain stamina, and there is no other stat that we can observe. The poor communication of some very important facts and stats. There seem to be level 5 cap for yourself, you can reach it early, and there is no indication that you can progress any further (like when you reach max trust or love), in fact you seem to still be getting XP, just bar stops moving, but It's really hard to say if it completely stops or is just progressing more slowly. And there are still nodes in your skill tree that you want to reach, and they present as available. There is actually no value to check only very small bar (especially on Steam Deck screen). Same with sex minigame, at first you hit a cap, but you can't really be sure what is going on.
The last of the minor criticisms might be work in progress kinda thing. There is "combat" tab in character info screens, but it is empty, there is constant training, but there is no combat action, not even simplest kind. There is character progression, and gaining powers, but absolutely no way for you to use them in any shape or form.
There is one MAJOR gripe I have with the game: borderline bureaucratic management in sex scenes. Let me make myself clear: I don't begrudge creators for emphasizing consent. IRL consent is important, because real people can get really hurt if you are not responsible. I fully get that. I will admit that porn games with abuse of power and strong sexual domination fantasies are my preference, for fantasies that have no place in real life, but this criticism is not about that, I'm not trying to force my preference here. There are other games that cater to these fantasies. However, and I know it was already mentioned few times before, verbally and explicitly asking EVERY TIME you make any, even smallest, action during sex scenes is absolutely ridiculous and just kills the flow or excitement or spirit of play. You can actually kiss the same girl without written application in triplicate as a flirt action. Girls can take initiative too. But when you start sexual action, even when you are already balls depp in her pussy after she swallowed your firs load, you still have to verbally confirm if she is for sure absolutely comfortable holding hands. Seriously. So you are saying, that you cannot learn your preferences and boundaries, there is no body language that factors into the equation you cannot even set ground rules before if you're so worried about misreading more subtle cues. You cannot, for example, write it: "you slowly rise your hand to her breast and see her nod/smile/shudder with anticipation". Maybe this explicit verbal consent could make sense if you are role-playing submissive with domina situation. Or maybe (just spitballing) as a for of sexual therapy for someone that was mind controlled and need to regain their sense of control and agency.
// I'll put my thoughts as a review as well, just cutting mentions of Rogue-like: Evolution to conform to review rules, but I'm putting my full text here.
Can't wait for the first set of new girls.
My wishlist before it's all done:
My wishlist before it's all done:
- Magik
- Kitty
- Wolfsbane
- Dani Moonstar
- Boom Boom
- Monet
Kudos, your list is one of the few list I can say is fully reasonable in regards to timeline.
Ok fist off jubilee needs to be on that list.
Second I'm acually glad to see you the devs are focused on content as well as adding enough secondary content with each update. My guess they have a clear roadmap.
Also, for anyone interested if you open the clothing file for sets for each of the girls and delete the shower set. They will be fully naked in the shower, I edit mine cuase wtf showers with there clothing on, I mean come on. Also you can pretty much modify those files to make any of the girls wear whatever you want them too. (This isnt somthing that needs to be fixed btw).
Looking forward to lots more clothing option's btw, totally my kink.
Second I'm acually glad to see you the devs are focused on content as well as adding enough secondary content with each update. My guess they have a clear roadmap.
Also, for anyone interested if you open the clothing file for sets for each of the girls and delete the shower set. They will be fully naked in the shower, I edit mine cuase wtf showers with there clothing on, I mean come on. Also you can pretty much modify those files to make any of the girls wear whatever you want them too. (This isnt somthing that needs to be fixed btw).
Looking forward to lots more clothing option's btw, totally my kink.
- Mar 26, 2023
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I want some dick girl content at some point... I draw the line for anything beyond that.
Would not mind most of those, but I do wonder how Colossus would react to his sister 'boinking' or just being involved with someone. Thank god for small mercies, ie Null being or at least seeming to be immune to mutant abilities(i have only just got passed the fight with Juggernaut and Colossus).
It's fun seeing people's speculation of next character, showing the game have many fan's
I'm liking the story so far, though i am still quite early in. Even if i didn't like Marvel/X-men, Superhero/Metahuman stuff is one of the genre's i am passionate about.
one of the best things is this game is about character development meaning both MC and the various girls can and will grow which makes the game fun compared to games that jump straight into the sex scenes
we already have confirmation that out of the next 3 girls, Storm will be 1 of them. other than that, dev team is keeping quiet and wanting to build up our anticipation