Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.7b] [Ron Chon]

[RandomNumber]

a) Do you have firsthand experience?

The answer to that question is "I do" but I don't think you realize what the question MEANS because you're phrasing it like a gotcha. So just so we're clear, in the context of you repeating back to me what I said to you..."firsthand experience with comic book artists and their works" just means reading the comics those artists made. Seeing them with your own eyes. I don't need to be told what Jim's style is by a second person because I have read comics Jim Lee has made. I'm an active reader of DC and Marvel and have been since the 90's. All I'm asking is you should fucking look at the guy's work if you want to have a conversation about his work. Owning one issue of X-Men isn't the same thing as seeing pieces from his entire career and comparing/contrasting them.

Anyway, I also graduated college with a minor in studio art, so yes, I'm familiar with all the things you're implying. None of which changes the fact that the standards in comic books are vastly more limited than those of other commercial art fields.

 

[sleepingkirby]

The answer to that question is "I do" but I don't think you realize what the question MEANS because you're phrasing it like a gotcha. So just so we're clear, in the context of you repeating back to me what I said to you..."firsthand experience with comic book artists and their works" just means reading the comics those artists made. Seeing them with your own eyes. I don't need to be told what Jim's style is by a second person because I have read comics Jim Lee has made. I'm an active reader of DC and Marvel and have been since the 90's. All I'm asking is you should fucking look at the guy's work if you want to have a conversation about his work.

Look, I'm gonna stop here. We're getting way off topic here. My initial point was simply, Chebulski just had to do his job and the work would have been better. A connoisseur doesn't trump actual people that make the thing. You can assume and believe all you like. I've been there. I've done that. I know the art theory and the background and I also speak the language. No amount of twisting of reasoning is going to change my past. The point stands. Though if you want to continue down this point, I recommend engaging in this post because what you're so sure of is not what someone else is so sure of. And, honestly, I live in Taiwan now. My local book store carries wall to wall mangas, not western comics. Not my monkey, not my circus. The same with most others that have touched on this topic, I'm not mad or even insulted at what Chebulski did, I'm just disappointed at what could have been.

 

[RandomNumber]

My local book store carries wall to wall mangas, not western comics. Not my monkey, not my circus.

Which is why I'm trying to impress upon you that American comic books are...a ghetto. They always have been and they've actually gotten worse since Cebulski got away with pretending to be Akira Yashida.

Jim Shooter was only 14 years old when DC hired him to write one of their top books based on scripts he submitted by mail. That's a story from the 60's for historical context but here's some in recent memory: on multiple occasions they've hired artists with Stephen Universe-esque noodle-armed styles whose only prior experience was a self-published tumblr webcomic, solely because you can pay them anything, they don't know their own worth or what the industry scale is.

I've seen a man draw a spaceship by tracing Legos and not even bothering to leave out the circular studs. In a book published by a subsidiary of fucking Disney, who have more money than God.

I just want someone like yourself who admits to being more fluent in other art fields to know that this is the difference between Jim Lee's line of work and yours.

 

[SolSpell]

ShinyBoots1993
What made you decide on Nulls powereset?

I've seen a man draw a spaceship by tracing Legos

Read this as "Legolas"

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Spanish?

As a Spaniard, I take offense at your insinuation that my people are NOT loud and obnoxious. We try very hard to stand out.

Oh, I misunderstood. I thought you mean the quality was just as bad, not the amount of tropes. My bad.

No worries.

Yeah, that is true. But I feel like they aren't relying on the tropes to define the work, but rather, the work lends itself to the tropes

Oh totally. I enjoy Isakai despite the fact that I am 100% aware that they are derivative and trope-filled.

Like, a romance story will commonly have a "Will she/won't she" trope because that is common in romance in general. Which, admittedly, a lot of works in the US at that time was trying to do the latter.

Maybe it's just because I've spent several decades of my life reading manga but Japan is fuckin' obsessed with will they won't they. Far more than the West. The West, which broadly includes America, England, France, Spanish, etc. focuses a lot on being in a relationship. Unless we're talking about teen dramas.

I was planning to watch it before the movie came out, now I wonder if I should...

As mentioned, I wasn't commenting on the quality. I find it silly but that's why SEED takes place in an alternate timeline separated from Amuro and stuff. Different galaxy, different tone.

None of us really feels that there's really mistreatment towards Krillan and Tien and especially not because of them being Chinese.

I mean Krillan is the comic relief and Team4Star had a running gag about how "owned" Krillan gets.

Tien outright gets ignored and forgotten several times.

There's also the fact that Akira Toriyama is known for disliking the Chinese.

Since it was based on "Journey to the West"

The original Dragon Ball was but I don't remember Sun Wukong being a member of an alien species who were named after vegetables.

Yup

Thanks I hate it.

Care to elaborate?

Sure sorry about that.

Morality isn't a factor.

It's just Jean dealing with her anxiety by doing incest play instead of proper therapy.

Laura progressively becoming more abrasive and stalkerish.

Rogue deciding to let her boyfriend direct all her life choices because of touch starvation.

None of those are healthy coping mechanisms in response to their issues. Does it make them happy? Yes. They are satisfied with the arrangement. It's 100% consensual. Is it a healthy arrangement? As someone in the field of psychology, no.

Though all Super Heroes need therapy and it's a joke in the comics community because genuinely, all but TWO psychologists in all of Marvel comics have secretly been villains.

assertive personality

No. Marvel just gave her one as well as Wolverine's mask with no build-up. Our version will have build-up.

What made you decide on Nulls powereset?

Maddeninggg would legitimately kill me if I explained anything about Null's powers.

 

[ddtmm]

come for the porn, stay for the psychotherapy

gg devs gg

 

[red1988]

the version 0.5 will be release here

 

[RubyO]

does anyone know the update schedule? I'm coming back every few days to check but I'd much rather have some dates to look forward to

 

[drifter139]

when you come here to talk about a game but everyone starts psychoanalyzing you lol

 

[ddtmm]

when you come here to talk about a game but everyone starts psychoanalyzing you lol

new buzzfeed article title: what your porn consumption says about your upbringing

 

[drifter139]

new buzzfeed article title: what your porn consumption says about your upbringing

buzzfeed article titled: what those mutant girls REALLY think about you lol

 

[mypossiblepasts]

Don't take any of this below 100% seriously, just banter/debate/joke.

Does it make them happy? Yes. They are satisfied with the arrangement. It's 100% consensual. Is it a healthy arrangement? As someone in the field of psychology, no.

I love YOU. But You are awful Community Manager xD

Hypothesis:

You made it sound like choosing the sub paths is... bad choice?

Answer:

Morality isn't a factor.

Argument:

Does it make them happy? Yes. They are satisfied with the arrangement. It's 100% consensual. Is it a healthy arrangement? As someone in the field of psychology, no.

I find all of this a little bit... contradictory, no? If I'm not choosing healthy arrangement, then I am choosing un-healthy one. And "un-healthy" path, taking the rest of context in this game, does kind of sounds like immoral choice.

 

[pothb]

What...... is that what it was suppose to be? Incest play? I never connected it to that.

 

[Morgue]

"Though all Super Heroes need therapy and it's a joke in the comics community because genuinely, all but TWO psychologists in all of Marvel comics have secretly been villains."

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[ShinyBoots1993]

And "un-healthy" path, taking the rest of context in this game, does kind of sounds like immoral choice.

Depends on what set of morals you're going by. They're objectively happier in the unhealthy, but sexy, route.

Not going with the quirks deprives them of comfort and their level of overall happiness is decreased.

After that is established then it becomes a philosophical debate of is it better to be happy or to live with uncertainty and insecurity.

Null... nulls them... to their anxieties by being an outlet. If you push back and help them solve their issues directly rather than distracting them in a way that they can be happy despite their issues.

Is this overly complicated? Yes, yes it is. My plan has succeeded!

I love YOU.

But You are awful Community Manager xD

Incest play?

Dude... She repeatedly refers to you as her little brother and her as your big sister and enters a romantic relationship with you with the dynamic of her being your nurturing, and authoritative, big sister...

"Though all Super Heroes need therapy and it's a joke in the comics community because genuinely, all but TWO psychologists in all of Marvel comics have secretly been villains."

You must be registered to see the links

And I see exactly two who aren't villainous or haven't done villainous things.

Literally. Some don't have images and very little info.

 

[pothb]

Dude... She repeatedly refers to you as her little brother and her as your big sister and enters a romantic relationship with you with the dynamic of her being your nurturing, and authoritative, big sister...

Yea, but there are tons of "older sisters" in a non blood related way, that has that attitude.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Yea, but there are tons of "older sisters" in a non blood related way, that has that attitude.

Yes... Null and Jean aren't blood-related. That's why it's called "play." Faux is French for false.

 

[mypossiblepasts]

ShinyBoots1993
I see your damage control, but you won't fool me that easly!
Twisting words around is not enough

If you push back and help them solve their issues directly rather than distracting them

This part is hard to not be judged by it's implications. I won't try to describe them.
I have a riposte though. For anything that could come out as a meaning of those words.

I get that it's a choice for game sake and I am digging waaay too deep.
BUT!
The win-win scenario would be here: helping girl to identify her inner demons, address the cause of them being born, and let the girl choose the kink on her own. Let Laura WANT to be a domme stalker, not only want the comfort that it brings as a cope.

Faux is French for false

I always knew about faux pas, only week ago I discovered faux traditional media. And only today I learned it means false. For some reason I assumed it's a Surname.

 

[pothb]

Yes... Null and Jean aren't blood-related. That's why it's called "play." Faux is French for false.

What i mean is that there are a lot of people who do that without any incest intentions. Just being the older woman.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Twisting words around is not enough

This part is hard to not be judged by it's implications.

I mean me meme posting aside yeah. It's not an objectively good thing to do. Yeah the girls are coming to you but you're enabling bad behavior. Whether Null thinks it's fine to do that or he's only doing it for the kink that's up to player headcanon.

Let Laura WANT to be a domme stalker, not only want the comfort that it brings as a cope.

This will be permitted in the quirk rework. Being a domme stalker period isn't healthy. You'll be able to ask her to not stalk you and stick to just being a dom in the bedroom... or you can ask her just to stalk and not be a dom in the bedroom.

At that point I'll let the usual suspects moralize those kinds of sexual dynamics.

What i mean is that there are a lot of people who do that without any incest intentions. Just being the older woman.

How far are you in the game? I don't mean the simple dynamic is kink. Though Jean brings it to that level if you let her.

If her quirk is 100% in full swing then you're the first out of genuine hundreds to not notice it. Unless you've had a series of romantic partners call you lil bro... no comment on that if it's the case.

But I guess when we include the sex dialogue update it'll be more obvious...