Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.7b] [Ron Chon]

[Raphael98]

But as i said, it's a better method of optimization for images, perfect for a game like this one, so in my personal opinion is probably not an oversight.

I'm not saying they should be PNGs (I agree that webp is the better format*). I'm saying that the json files are referencing images that technically don't exist. Until JoiPlay's Renpy plugin gets updated to a version that is compatible with the live2dmodel 'change_color' attribute/function, it won't be known if JoiPlay will still error on this or not, but it was one of the hurdles I found in trying to get it to work. It's looking for png files and they aren't there. The json files should be changed to reference the webp images that do exist. Or changed to be format agnostic, but I am not sure if that's possible.

*until Renpy supports jpeg-xl

 

[Thwip!]

The massage part of Rogue-like was too annoying to figure out the right order. I looked up the right order in the code, but quickly lost interest to repeat this.
It's not a lot of fun if you have to constantly check spreadsheets to look up what to do in a game.

if the main quest objective events in TNH are a bit more delayed, then the waiting time for relationship events won't feel such a drag in the long run.
At least I have faith in v0.6 to further increase the general enjoyment of the game.

Yeah, but here's the thing:
It was always optional in RL:E. Meaning, if you wanted to do it, that option was always there. If you didn't, then no content was skipped and your experience wasn't negatively impacted.

I'm sure it would be optional in this game too.

 

[freddygonzo]

Yeah, but here's the thing:
It was always optional in RL:E. Meaning, if you wanted to do it, that option was always there. If you didn't, then no content was skipped and your experience wasn't negatively impacted.

I'm sure it would be optional in this game too.

Of course.
I totally missed doing dates in RL either for a while, as I was too busy earning all these first-time point bonuses among each girl to quickly level their stats up. A lot of activity there is optional as it is mainly a sandbox game with its own flair. More options are always welcomed.
Luckily, the flow to fool around in RL is still fast enough that you don't waste so much time going through them. The threesomes are fun, especially if it is a surprise visit.

In TNH, you simply have more character depth by story talks, so having fun with the girls should really feel more special; at least at beginning. You get your points mainly by dialogues and there is hardly any grind as long as the optional events don't popup too quickly and you reach the end of summer before the friendship/date/love side quests can catch up.
It's maybe inconvenient for players coming first from RL, like me, to wrongly expect the same gameplay.

Let's see what 0.6 brings. The achievement shop could at least offer some motivation and compensation for doing whatever (new) activity.

 

[arashiki]

 

[DrunkMonkGar]

I tried searching and reading the last 8 pages, but what is up with the glowing options in the sex menu?

 

[VictorHayes]

I tried searching and reading the last 8 pages, but what is up with the glowing options in the sex menu?

what do you mean? mind sharing a screenshot of it?

 

[Humalien]

I tried searching and reading the last 8 pages, but what is up with the glowing options in the sex menu?

The options that glow provide the most pleasure; the character prefers glowing activities.

 

[ronchonbon]

I'm not saying they should be PNGs (I agree that webp is the better format*). I'm saying that the json files are referencing images that technically don't exist. Until JoiPlay's Renpy plugin gets updated to a version that is compatible with the live2dmodel 'change_color' attribute/function, it won't be known if JoiPlay will still error on this or not, but it was one of the hurdles I found in trying to get it to work. It's looking for png files and they aren't there. The json files should be changed to reference the webp images that do exist. Or changed to be format agnostic, but I am not sure if that's possible.

*until Renpy supports jpeg-xl

It's not an oversight - Live2D's jsons always expect pngs, and I'm too lazy to convert the text in those files to "webp" every time I export a model into the game. I just have my version of Ren'Py look for webps instead of pngs when it's loading Live2D models. It's a dirty workaround while the models are still being actively edited.

Also, JoiPlay's Ren'Py will probably never get the change_color function - it's something I wrote in my own Ren'Py build. Why do you want JoiPlay functionality? We provide an APK?

 

[DrunkMonkGar]

The options that glow provide the most pleasure; the character prefers glowing activities.

Thank you.

 

[Raphael98]

Also, JoiPlay's Ren'Py will probably never get the change_color function - it's something I wrote in my own Ren'Py build. Why do you want JoiPlay functionality? We provide an APK?

I like having the ability to play on my PC, my tablet, and my phone, and swap between them easily (can't take my PC when I'm travelling, don't have a laptop). I put the Windows versions of games on a USB-C flashdrive, and create symbolic links in the Renpy Appdata folder on my PC, pointing to the save folders that JoiPlay puts inside the game folders. So whether I play on PC, tablet, or phone, the saves go to the same place and are there no matter which device I play on. Renpy sync doesn't work for every game, and this method also doesn't require uploading, downloading, or typing in 10 character codes.

 

[Greymantle]

I tried a search on my problem, and got 11 pages of responses in the thread, so... No, I won't read it all.

It appears to be a recurring problem, but I'm unable to date Jean even if Rogue and X-23 both gave me their blessing. I'm on the first day of Spring, if relevant and I'm currently at 601 Love/530 Trust with Jean. Did I miss something ?

 

[Raphael98]

Yes in the "game" subfolder you have the "version" file, it was 8.3.0 I think the last time I checked. Which is the nightly built? I tried to just modify the version number in the file to the one used buy the new joiplay, sadly it runs, but doesn't load the waifus' pics, as it's lacking a live2D import. So it's not really a "Visual" Novel anymore...
With the new iteration of joiplay, and the way it's now handling the renpy's plugins I have hope for an update for 8.3.X. plugin

Alright, so far I seem to have gotten it working on JoiPlay. I might still encounter more things JoiPlay doesn't like, because I haven't fully tested it, that will take a while. If I do, or if you or others do, let me know. I'll try to update.

Steps:
- Download TheNullHypothesis, and use Unren or a similar tool to unpack the archives
- Download the the game folder I've attached below, unzip it, drag it into the TheNullHypothesis folder (the one that contains the game folder), and overwrite files when prompted
- Add the game to JoiPlay, then long press on the game, select edit, click the Type box, and select "Ren'Py (Python3)"

This is just for 0.5b, things might change in future updates. The files in the game folder I've attached change the contents of the model3.json files to point to the webp images instead of pngs, and the script files have had portions related to the change_color function commented out.

 

[NexivSelecaf]

I tried a search on my problem, and got 11 pages of responses in the thread, so... No, I won't read it all.

It appears to be a recurring problem, but I'm unable to date Jean even if Rogue and X-23 both gave me their blessing. I'm on the first day of Spring, if relevant and I'm currently at 601 Love/530 Trust with Jean. Did I miss something ?

All girls need 600 trust (and to like each other enough) to form the harem.

 

[nonospot]

This is just for 0.5b, things might change in future updates. The files in the game folder I've attached change the contents of the model3.json files to point to the webp images instead of pngs, and the script files have had portions related to the change_color function commented out.

Nice! I'm gonna try later ty for the share!

 

[Greymantle]

All girls need 600 trust (and to like each other enough) to form the harem.

It doesn't seem to be the problem I'm facing. I'm up to 650 Trust with jeean, still no option to take her on a date. The button doesn't even appear when I chat with her.

 

[The Al]

It doesn't seem to be the problem I'm facing. I'm up to 650 Trust with jeean, still no option to take her on a date. The button doesn't even appear when I chat with her.

Have you already had her tell you she wanted to take you on a date? If so, you need to text her when you're ready for the first date

 

[freddygonzo]

It doesn't seem to be the problem I'm facing. I'm up to 650 Trust with jeean, still no option to take her on a date. The button doesn't even appear when I chat with her.

I assume you also miss the "asked_on_date" event for Jean like someone else earlier, while you are already much further in the relationship quest-chain with Rogue and Laura.
Basically, you only have to complete the Jean_friendship_Quest event "Jean's Friendship" before.
If you gather too quickly points, these relationship side quests get immediately solved without much notice. Uncheck "hide completed quests" gives a better overview.

As test, wait/sleep in your room for a couple of days until you hopefully get messaged by Jean in the evening/night times.

If all fails, upload your savegame here and I or someone else check it out for you. It's always difficult to get a grasp of all conditions as everyone plays and completes quests in different orders.

 

[Greymantle]

Have you already had her tell you she wanted to take you on a date? If so, you need to text her when you're ready for the first date

She did, by the end of Autumn iirc but I skipped responding to her at that time as it made Rogue mad. On a sidenote, jealousy system is quite... strange in my opinion : You talk to a girl in the mall, another training in the danger room immediately appears like Diablo would, gets upset and immediately resumes what she was doing on a totally different location. Nice.

I assume you also miss the "asked_on_date" event for Jean like someone else earlier, while you are already much further in the relationship quest-chain with Rogue and Laura.
Basically, you only have to complete the Jean_friendship_Quest event "Jean's Friendship" before.
If you gather too quickly points, these relationship side quests get immediately solved without much notice. Uncheck "hide completed quests" gives a better overview.

As test, wait/sleep in your room for a couple of days until you hopefully get messaged by Jean in the evening/night times.

If all fails, upload your savegame here and I or someone else check it out for you. It's always difficult to get a grasp of all conditions as everyone plays and completes quests in different orders.

Thanks, I'll test those possible solutions.

 

[freddygonzo]

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If you want to catch up with Jean anyway then it shouldn't really matter that much if Rogue and/or Laura is mad/heartbroken for a while. These bad moods go away after 2/4 days without further consequences. If both are already in poly condition with their acceptance for dating Jean, then there should be indeed no trouble anymore. During or at end of summer, most players should hit the 1k stats barrier anyway since 0.5b, especially with gifts. A couple of reductions sometimes shouldn't hurt that much.
I don't know either how often these event/quest initiations are repeated should a player deny these at first. There are a couple of 3-days timers for certain events, so maybe you have to wait at least for that amount of time.

 

[Greymantle]

And in the end, it was the condition for the first date with Jean that wasn't met, so that questline is now unlocked.
Thanks all for the responses.