Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.8a] [Ron Chon]

[harem.king]

I'll be honest. Rogue's submissiveness is the only quirk I dislike/see as a red flag. Even falling under the lie of "these are sexy time benefits", it's always made me uncomfortable. But my position on things like these isn't to deny them, but explore them and deal with them in a healthy way.

So here's to hoping that that will be possible in the game eventually.

Addendum: When I say "red flag" I don't mean a "don't be with this girl, she's bad news" red flag. I mean "This is not a healthy thing for the person." red flag.

The claim that a person being submissive is self harming is... just ridiculous.
It is perfectly valid lifestyle.

Also, a red flag does not mean:
a. not my fetish
b. self harming behavior

a red flag is a trait that warns you that this person has major problems that makes them bad for YOU and that YOU should not even try to date them.
ex: Signs they are a cheater, signs they are a compulsive liar, signs that they are a criminal who is going to go to prison. signs that they self harm. etc
that kind of stuff.

Now you might have noticed that I put self harming behavior in it.
yes, self harming behavior IS a red flag.
This is one of those "all squares are rectangles. but not all rectangles are squares".
Self harming is a red flag, but not all red flags are self harm related. (ex: cheating)

Of course that requires it to be actual self harm.
The only thing rogue submitting to her man actually harms is the feminist idealogy.
Rogue is not harmed by it, you are not harmed by it.

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TLDR: Rogue is a top tier waifu. Saying her submissiveness to the MC is self harming is nonsense. Saying it is a red flag is nonsense.

 

[sleepingkirby]

The claim that a person being submissive is self harming is... just ridiculous.

Just to be clear, I, in no way, was intending or implying or even thinking that red flags mean self harm (My god, is English an imprecise language). I mean red flag as a literal warning sign that things aren't healthy going forward and/or needs to be addressed. Like a check engine light.

Like Rogue's had a lot happen to her. Her desire to not have to think about it is understandable. It would be so easy to let someone else take care of everything. To have someone tell you that everything's okay. That everything's fine and you're safe. But the moment you do that, you stunt your own growth as a person. And that is, mentally and emotionally, harmful to a person.

 

[NexivSelecaf]

That quote in no way implies that it won't go that far.

The writers have many compelling narratives to show you.

I don't think Dark Phoenix arc is even possible without it going that far

To borrow a joke form UnoriginalUserName:

Null: "Hey Rogue. I know that Jean just turned evil despite me trying to nullify her powers by slapping her ass, which you gave me permission to do so, by the way. But could you wear these puppy ears that I got at the mall and bark for me? That would really lift my spirits and give me telekinesis, babe."

Rogue (embarrassed and on the verge of an orgasm): "...Yes, Daddy. Woof woof!"

Null: "And that's why I love you, babe. Submissive and breedable."

Null, with his arm in a cast, gives a thumbs up.

Rogue drops to her knees, wets the floor, and makes an UwU face.

Fade to black circle transition focusing on Null's thumbs up, while Ross Whitby's legally distinct version of Seinfeld's end credits riff plays.

My friends telling me to download waifu gatcha games isn't them corrupting me, it's them enabling my gambling addiction lol

*judges you*

 

[drifter139]

The claim that a person being submissive is self harming is... just ridiculous.
It is perfectly valid lifestyle

I agree to a certain extent. it really does feel as though Rogue wants to be better but the quirk itself could cause more harm than good by telling her to let Null make every decision no matter how small. if it's terms of them doing it inside the bedroom, that's fine but to be brought into every aspect of the relationship, it will damage her mentality more compared to before embracing it

 

[C00merboy]

i guess the furthest you can go is grinding without leaving fall also she agreed to be poli but she said she needs to be more friends with laura to let me date her and some cool features that ron and the team could add is stargazing with girls and maybe messing around in the roof of the mansion.

 

[UnoriginalUserName]

To borrow a joke form UnoriginalUserName:

Null: "Hey Rogue. I know that Jean just turned evil despite me nullify her powers be slapping her ass, which you gave me permission to do so. But could you wear these puppy ears that I got at the mall and bark for me? That would really lift my spirits give me telekinesis, babe."

Rogue (embarrassed and on the verge of an orgasm): "...Yes, Daddy. Woof woof!"

Null: "And that's why I love you, babe. Submissive and breedable."

Null, with his arm in a cast, gives a thumbs up.

Rogue drops to her knees, wets the floor, and makes an UwU face.

Fade to black circle transition focusing on Null's thumbs up, while Ross Whitby's legally distinct version of Seinfeld's end credits riff plays.


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*judges you*

Lol.

You ever watch / read Shinmai Maou no Testament?

 

[harem.king]

I agree to a certain extent. it really does feel as though Rogue wants to be better but the quirk itself could cause more harm than good by telling her to let Null make every decision no matter how small. if it's terms of them doing it inside the bedroom, that's fine but to be brought into every aspect of the relationship, it will damage her mentality more compared to before embracing it

But, she isn't coming to you to micromanage her life.
If you ask her to do something AFTER your relationship became advanced enough, she goes "yes daddy" and does it.
But otherwise she lives her life normally, doing her own things without bothering you to micro her.

 

[NexivSelecaf]

if it's terms of them doing it inside the bedroom, that's fine but to be brought into every aspect of the relationship, it will damage her mentality more compared to before embracing it

And that's why I'm skeptical of/concerned about how far the quirk system may extend to; though not necessarily in terms of writing quality, but more so in terms of potential feature creep.

 

[Casted420]

Top 10 Quirks Gone Wrong Gone Sexual (Social Experiment)

 

[salscou]

Top 10 Quirks Gone Wrong Gone Sexual (Social Experiment)

Enabling Rogue will make her a perpatual victim.
Enabling Jean will make YOU a pussywhiped mommy's boy.
Enabling Laura will make SOMEONE ELSE a victim (SNICKT!).

 

[UnsavouryPursuits]

The writers have many compelling narratives to show you.

 

[Buttholder]

I believe I have a possible solution for this:

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integration.

Now, I do not own any of their products, so I'm only aware of their capabilities at a glance. But, if you could make it so, when the player is caught cheating, that someone's flesh light or butt plug is at the maximum vibration setting for an extended of time, or, have them not vibrate at all until they make up with who they cheated on, so that there's a physical repercussion for their decision making, instead of it just being though text. 'Cause let's be real: Some men don't learn until they get kicked in the nuts, or they're left walking home with blue balls.

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Honestly, if I had a penny for every time someone wrote endless paragraphs about why they should be allowed to be a horrible jerk without consequences in the game or outright abuse the characters (which actually is a red flag in my book), despite us repeatedly stating this isn't that kind of game, I'd be able to fund the entire production of the game myself.

 

[Casted420]

Enabling Laura will make SOMEONE ELSE a victim (SNICKT!).

After finding out Null cheated on her and coming back after 3 days to talk him...she finds him balls deep in her rival.

Spoiler: What happened may shock you!

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[Clobbertime]

But, she isn't coming to you to micromanage her life.

I guess you didn't read Shiny's just under yours at the top of the previous page.
Even without encouraging her quirk she gets to the point of asking you if it's okay for her to leave the room before going to let Laura know you've come out of your coma after the sentinel incident at the mall.

 

[harem.king]

I guess you didn't read Shiny's just under yours at the top of the previous page.
Even without encouraging her quirk she gets to the point of asking you if it's okay for her to leave the room before going to let Laura know you've come out of your coma after the sentinel incident at the mall.

And? that is not micromanaging her entire life, it is being polite, once, to a guy who just came out of a coma.
She picks every day whether to go to class or go gym, she picks an outfit every day, she picks whether to go to BBQ on the weekend, etc etc etc.

 

[Evil13]

And? that is not micromanaging her entire life, it is being polite, once, to a guy who just came out of a coma.
She picks every day whether to go to class or go gym, she picks an outfit every day, she picks whether to go to BBQ on the weekend, etc etc etc.

Generally speaking, Rogue will probably only ask you to control things in her life in Summer, essentially at the end of Chapter 1...of 6 proposed chapters.

This is just the beginning.

But also remember, Null is the first person that Rogue can safely touch in probably years. She is terrified of losing that and probably thinks that giving everything of herself to Null will mean that he won't leave. That isn't a healthy attitude to have. And Null does bring that up if they turn down the offer to encourage the quirk.

 

[hoorrdoorr]

Rogue will probably only ask you to control things in her life in Summer, essentially at the end of Chapter 1...of 6 proposed chapters.

Rogue in beginning of Chapter 2 be like

 

[hoorrdoorr]

But jokes aside, from our three girls i see big problem only with Jean
1. Rogue. I can fix her. She just need therapist and support. She also need positive reinforcement for HER choices and actions. Even if she'd fucked up we need to say that maybe she failed but still she is a good girl
2. Laura. She has zero or Null? BA DUM TSSSS experience of social interactions and that's why she is guided by instincts. And again all that she need is therapist and our support
3. And then Jean. Crazy bitch that will break Null and turn him in a gay. Of course she is smart, ginger and smoking hot but all what we can do is sedate her with adamantium bullet

 

[harem.king]

But also remember, Null is the first person that Rogue can safely touch in probably years. She is terrified of losing that and probably thinks that giving everything of herself to Null will mean that he won't leave. That isn't a healthy attitude to have. And Null does bring that up if they turn down the offer to encourage the quirk.

Eh.ok fine.
So she is a bit too eager to please you, specifically. big whoop.

 

[Knight]

Okay, to put it this way, a relationship should be 50/50, it's an equal partnership. Whatever decisions are made should be made together. Rogue giving Null complete control puts all the stress and responsibility on him, making it an inherently unbalanced relationship, and while it hasn't happened yet, it's a breeding ground for resentment for both of them. We just haven't seen it play out yet because it's still early days.

That whole 50/50 shit is what ruins relationships. Relationships are never truly equal nor should they be, each side will focus on what they do best. In some area's the man leads and in some the woman leads, it depends on the context. Also women generally find men that are their equals to be unattractive (not saying it's universally true, just very common).
It's really easy to prove this, 5 yes or no questions is all it takes:

1. Do you find men as tall or shorter than you attractive?
2. Do you find men as smart or less smart than you attractive?
3. Do you find men as strong or less strong than you attractive?
4. Do you find men who make as much money or less than you attractive?
5. Should women be the ones to ask out men?

What you end up with is that women want a taller, smarter, stronger, more wealthy man who is the one who initiates the relationship. Expecting relationships to be equal when women don't want to date men who are their equals is silly.
It doesn't have to be all of the above but 9/10 women will answer no to at least 3 of the above questions.

Also Rogue is starved to attention (physical and emotional) so her wanting a man who takes charge of her is understandable.

Source: Had an ex that called me daddy and wanted me to talk to her like she was a misbehaving 10 year old. Some women get off on being dominated, it's not unusual.