Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.8a] [Ron Chon]

[Evil13]

3. And then Jean. Crazy bitch that will break Null and turn him in a gay. Of course she is smart, ginger and smoking hot but all what we can do is sedate her with adamantium bullet

Part of the problem with Jean is how she came to be a student of Xavier.

Just for reference, Jean was the youngest in her family

Jean is also one of the few "early" mutants, whose powers manifested in her childhood, not as a teenager. When she was 10, she and her best friend Annie were playing when Annie was accidentally hit by a car. The stress of the event caused Jean's telepathy to manifest and connected with Annie as she died. Having experienced Annie's death as she was dying had a deeply traumatic effect on Jean, leaving her withdrawn and deeply depressed. Unable to control her powers, Jean isolated herself as she was constantly driven to the edge of insanity by her powers.

She is soon introduced to one Professor Charles Xavier, who helps Jean by creating psychic shields to block her powers until she has the maturity necessary to handle that influx of power. He takes Jean on as his first student at his academy for gifted children. Unfortunately, the need for her recovery and helping Xavier create Cerebro and her training, Jean effectively lost the chance to...grow up. All while being away from her family.

Of course, this is all taken from the 616 universe, so it might not be completely in line with what we'll see in the game. But it does feel like Jean is kinda tapping into that last chance to play Family. Or it can be a young woman realising she's had to sacrifice so much in such a short time that she might be trying to take back a little bit of control. And its a mix of the two interpretations that I'm leaning to as when you change the petname so that she calls you Daddy, you can see that you've kind of changed the game on her, you're no longer the sibling she can boss around (something she never got to do as the youngest).

 

[Evil13]

Eh.ok fine.
So she is a bit too eager to please you, specifically. big whoop.

That's just it. She is too eager. She's that desperate to keep that contact with Null. Remember, the girl has been starved of physical touch for years. And now she can touch someone. A guy who (generally speaking) is kind, funny, considerate and from the comments of the girls, good looking. He's a catch and she can be in the running for that. When someone is that desperate, they'll give up anything to keep it. And it's not healthy.

That whole 50/50 shit is what ruins relationships. Relationships are never truly equal nor should they be, each side will focus on what they do best. In some area's the man leads and in some the woman leads, it depends on the context. Also women generally find men that are their equals to be unattractive (not saying it's universally true, just very common).
It's really easy to prove this, 5 yes or no questions is all it takes:

1. Do you find men as tall or shorter than you attractive?
2. Do you find men as smart or less smart than you attractive?
3. Do you find men as strong or less strong than you attractive?
4. Do you find men who make as much money or less than you attractive?
5. Should women be the ones to ask out men?

What you end up with is that women want a taller, smarter, stronger, more wealthy man who is the one who initiates the relationship. Expecting relationships to be equal when women don't want to date men who are their equals is silly.
Also Rogue is starved to attention (physical and emotional) so her wanting a man who takes charge of her is understandable.

Source: Had an ex that called me daddy and wanted me to talk to her like she was a misbehaving 10 year old. Some women get off on being dominated, it's not unusual.

We're not talking about attraction, as it's made pretty clear in the game that all the girls find Null very attractive and want to be with him.

What we're talking about is the extremes of personality that the girls will go to to fit themselves to Null. Be it Laura's stalker tendencies to Jean's sibling kick or Rogue's desire to be dominated. They're all unhealthy reactions to their lives and experiences, all catalysed by the appearance of this guy who just happens to have something they want.

The quirks are responses to emotional, mental and possibly physical trauma, and depending on how you look at it, encouraging them is taking advantage of that trauma.

 

[harem.king]

That's just it. She is too eager. She's that desperate to keep that contact with Null. Remember, the girl has been starved of physical touch for years. And now she can touch someone. A guy who (generally speaking) is kind, funny, considerate and from the comments of the girls, good looking. He's a catch and she can be in the running for that. When someone is that desperate, they'll give up anything to keep it. And it's not healthy.

Have you ever stopped to think why it is (potentially) not healthy to be exceptionally dedicated towards someone?
Because that someone can exploit you or abuse you.
So just don't exploit and abuse her. (shocking idea, I know)

> I don't want my lover to truly desperately love me because it is unhealthy because if I was a shit human being I could exploit her

is one of the most silly ass backwards pseudo logics I have ever come across.

So long as you are not abusing them, it is actually a good thing. Very sweet and romantic. And also means she is very unlikely to betray you. And are very dedicated to pleasing you. It can form a very strong long lasting happy relationship. Where you are satisfied by an eager to please partner and the partner is satisfied just by having you.

It is a conditional effect.
If you are abusing them, only then it becomes a bad thing... for them, not for you. For you it is also a good thing because they are easier to abuse.

So either it is a good thing because loyalty, romance, easy to please, happy long relationship.
Or it is a good thing because easy victim.
No matter what it isn't a drawback for you.
Thus it is not a reasonable reason to reject rogue.

 

[Knight]

The quirks are responses to emotional, mental and possibly physical trauma, and depending on how you look at it, encouraging them is taking advantage of that trauma.

I agree with that part, Null should absolutely discourage the more extreme elements of their behavior. Giving in a little bit in private is one thing but stuff like Laura stalking you is no good for everyone involved.
That being said sometimes it's the only way to get it out of someones system, encouraging it is wrong but letting them vent a bit with someone they trust is a good way to work through it.

 

[blarg0192]

...Yall know that this is just a game right?

 

[Evil13]

...Yall know that this is just a game right?

Noooo? Really? However could we have missed that?

 

[bismism]

I'm baffled that this has even reached a point of debate to this degree, but I gotta be frank:
All I'm reading is that some people are incapable of seeing how something beneficial for themselves specifically could be detrimental to others involved. Praying for y'all.
And yes, this is a game - it is simply fiction - but this has still (somehow) revealed a little too much about our peers all the same. Leave it to a porn game to shed light on the human condition in such a raw manner

More on topic, though: this debate did prompt me to wonder if there might be some wisdom is having the quirks have stages to them, rather than simply being "on/off" - or is that already something implemented, and I've just not clocked that it was happening yet?
If not, I think it would address some of the concerns that have been voiced. Granted, I also understand that this would be more work in the long run as well, and I can't say if it would be worth the effort in the long-run. Would still be interesting, though!

 

[sleepingkirby]

Man, this is all really interesting. If I had a psych degree, I would probably be geeking out on this.

> I don't want my lover to truly desperately love me because it is unhealthy because if I was a shit human being I could exploit her

is one of the most silly ass backwards pseudo logics I have ever come across.

So long as you are not abusing them, it is actually a good thing. Very sweet and romantic. And also means she is very unlikely to betray you.

I get your point. I think what Evil is referring to is this school of thought that, sometimes, people who are overly passive/submissive/apologetic the people they are with, over a long period of time, can develop tendencies to, for the lack of a better word, take for granted and, thus, unconsciously exploit the person.
I think you're right. If all's right in the world. if the person someone like Rogue is with is like a rock/is centering/has a foundation-ing personality, being extremely passive and submissive wouldn't have problems. I also think that most other people don't trust themselves enough to say with good confidence that they are that type of person. I mean, to be someone like that, that person would have to be very emotionally mature. Like, wise beyond his age, kind of maturity. And that's a bit of a rarity. Not impossible, mind you, but extremely rare.

 

[hoorrdoorr]

Part of the problem with Jean is how she came to be a student of Xavier.

I KNEW THAT X STAND FOR EXTRAPEDOPHILE, NOT XAVIER!
I understand that Jean has troubled past. But still she had time to heal and grow up.
She is portrayed as a smart woman who unfortunately is a control freak. And at the same time Jean is a telepath.
The question is not whether she should be pitied (but yeah, i feel sorry for her) or whether she is dangerous to others and whether she will break people’s minds.
And the answer to this question is yes

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

That whole 50/50 shit is what ruins relationships.

I think most people think more of the effort put into a relationship. It doesn't have to be a perfect 50/50 but you should try to put work into the relationship.

...Yall know that this is just a game right?

And we got people invested enough to debate.

Leave it to a porn game to shed light on the human condition in such a raw manner

As we intended.

More on topic, though: this debate did prompt me to wonder if there might be some wisdom is having the quirks have stages to them, rather than simply being "on/off" - or is that already something implemented, and I've just not clocked that it was happening yet?

The quirks will be explored further in future chapters.

 

[Shitty]

Since Null doesn't have any legs during sex scenes whenever I look at him it reminds me of a karate dummy.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Since Null doesn't have any legs during sex scenes whenever I look at him it reminds me of a karate dummy. View attachment 4204958

He has legs during blowjob scenes.

 

[Shitty]

He has legs during blowjob scenes.

oh yeah he does I forgot. Still gonna see him as a karate dummy though.

 

[adanu]

Have you ever stopped to think why it is (potentially) not healthy to be exceptionally dedicated towards someone?
Because that someone can exploit you or abuse you

This sounds like a you problem, not a general problem.

I would be very happy with someone dedicated to me and would treat them well.

 

[salscou]

This sounds like a you problem, not a general problem.

I would be very happy with someone dedicated to me and would treat them well.

Theres a difference between dedication and obsession though.

 

[adanu]

Theres a difference between dedication and obsession though.

Sure. I don't mind obsession if it can be channeled properly.

 

[Casted420]

As we intended.

Mark my words, Shiny will write a damn dissertation by the end of this game. "Of men and porngames: From doomer to coomer"

 

[salscou]

Mark my words, Shiny will write a damn dissertation by the end of this game. "Of men and porngames: From doomer to coomer"

Id read that, Shinny is using us for his thesis i bet.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Mark my words, Shiny will write a damn dissertation by the end of this game. "Of men and porngames: From doomer to coomer"

Shhhhh

Id read that, Shinny is using us for his thesis i bet.

For ethical reasons I'd have to disclose if I was.

 

[Buttholder]

I'm baffled that this has even reached a point of debate to this degree, but I gotta be frank:
All I'm reading is that some people are incapable of seeing how something beneficial for themselves specifically could be detrimental to others involved. Praying for y'all.
And yes, this is a game - it is simply fiction - but this has still (somehow) revealed a little too much about our peers all the same. Leave it to a porn game to shed light on the human condition in such a raw manner

You joke, but everything non-pornographic I've written for the game, I've taken entirely seriously and written like it's not, ultimately, for a porn game. Yeah, I'm not writing The Brothers Karamazov, Atlas Shrugged or Billy and the Cloneasaurus, but some of the stuff we're dealing with, I also have extensive background experience in. And from what people have said (the multiple 'I was so invested, I forgot to jerk off' comments we've received, the people theorizing where the plot is going and the occasional requests for a SFW version), the added realism and sincerity seems to be working.