Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.8a] [Ron Chon]

[leathermax]

Everything we do is done with "Does this make sense for the character we've written?" asked before we even put it on paper. We get a lot of demands and frustration but so far no one has actually attempted to offer a good argument beyond "I want it" and "It's a porn game."

Regarding this and the idea of the girls sleeping around, you mentioned the reason for this game hosting the possibility of poly was that the sexual revolution never stopped, and thus most people are significantly more open to sex than in IRL. That's more than valid a reason to implement flings and letting the girls sleep around with others or among themselves. Chapter 1 girls are more demure towards sex than many real girls their age, for example.
An entirely different reason to not add either would be "we don't want that", which is ok in it's own way. But were you looking for an excuse, this would be a reasonable one.
Have we talked about this before? Idk, but I'm getting some deja vu writing this down.

 

[keitaka]

Regarding this and the idea of the girls sleeping around, you mentioned the reason for this game hosting the possibility of poly was that the sexual revolution never stopped, and thus most people are significantly more open to sex than in IRL. That's more than valid a reason to implement flings and letting the girls sleep around with others or among themselves. Chapter 1 girls are more demure towards sex than many real girls their age, for example.
An entirely different reason to not add either would be "we don't want that", which is ok in it's own way. But were you looking for an excuse, this would be a reasonable one.
Have we talked about this before? Idk, but I'm getting some deja vu writing this down.

yup deja vu , again and again every 100 pages.

 

[texxy]

Well she did try very hard with the Hellions and other times shes had other young mutants under her care (and felt like crap when she failed them).

But I don't want to fix her. I want her to make me worse.

 

[Inquisitor075]

Awesome work

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Regarding this and the idea of the girls sleeping around, you mentioned the reason for this game hosting the possibility of poly was that the sexual revolution never stopped, and thus most people are significantly more open to sex than in IRL. That's more than valid a reason to implement flings and letting the girls sleep around with others or among themselves. Chapter 1 girls are more demure towards sex than many real girls their age, for example.
An entirely different reason to not add either would be "we don't want that", which is ok in it's own way. But were you looking for an excuse, this would be a reasonable one.
Have we talked about this before? Idk, but I'm getting some deja vu writing this down.

And as will be repeated since the last time it was brought up, just because the sexual revolution never stopped does not mean:

A. People stopped having standards.

B. That people don't believe that having sex with someone you love is more enjoyable.

C. Dating culture is somehow not a confusing mess of games that gets annoying real fast.

D. That unprotected one night stands don't have risk of STDs and unwanted pregnancies.

E. Thousands of years of human civilization* changing deeply rooted beliefs in no more than 3 decades.

The sexual revolution's goal, and it succeeded on Earth 69, was to remove the stigma against simply having sex. Just because there's a lack of stigma doesn't mean someone is automatically 100% okay with sleeping with strangers or letting their partner sleep around with strangers. It doesn't mean people don't want a single romantic partner, it doesn't mean people are somehow biologically more inclined to be hornier.

*The Sexual Revolution being discussed was a movement in the UK during the 60s and the North America during the 70s. It was not a global movement.

Also as an addon. We'd get more complaints if the girls slept with other dudes(NTR) than we do for people complaining about how restrictive the poly system is. Which it isn't. We've had enough people speedrun having all 3 girls without issue so a bunch of y'all are just impatient and don't read instructions.

I'll note that this is a general message and not targeted directly toward Leathermax.

Edit: Here's our head writer's comment on the matter.

 

[Maddeninggg]

That's more than valid a reason to implement flings and letting the girls sleep around with others or among themselves. Chapter 1 girls are more demure towards sex than many real girls their age, for example.
An entirely different reason to not add either would be "we don't want that", which is ok in it's own way. But were you looking for an excuse, this would be a reasonable one.

Girls sleeping with other people? Simple as "we don't want to." You can argue it's unrealistic and selfish, but it's codified in our "List-of-No" and not up for discussion nor in need of justification one way other the other.

 

[leathermax]

And as will be repeated since the last time it was brought up, just because the sexual revolution never stopped does not mean:

A. People stopped having standards.

B. That people don't believe that having sex with someone you love is more enjoyable.

C. Dating culture is somehow not a confusing mess of games that gets annoying real fast.

D. That unprotected one night stands don't have risk of STDs and unwanted pregnancies.

E. Thousands of years of human civilization* changing deeply rooted beliefs in no more than 3 decades.

The sexual revolution's goal, and it succeeded on Earth 69, was to remove the stigma against simply having sex. Just because there's a lack of stigma doesn't mean someone is automatically 100% okay with sleeping with strangers or letting their partner sleep around with strangers. It doesn't mean people don't want a single romantic partner, it doesn't mean people are somehow biologically more inclined to be hornier.

*The Sexual Revolution being discussed was a movement in the UK during the 60s and the North America during the 70s. It was not a global movement.

Also as an addon. We'd get more complaints if the girls slept with other dudes(NTR) than we do for people complaining about how restrictive the poly system is. Which it isn't. We've had enough people speedrun having all 3 girls without issue so a bunch of y'all are just impatient and don't read instructions.

I'll note that this is a general message and not targeted directly toward Leathermax.

The points you bring up are perfectly reasonable in the here and now, but when discussing Earth 69 it feels, and pardon the expression, "cherry picky". People can have standards and have sex with more than one partner, have sex with someone they don't love even if it's less enjoyable or even love more than one person, and have sex with protection and with trust worthy individuals.

Regarding the dating culture, I don't know what to say; what's that have to do with this? People can fuck without dating, and Null can date without any issue with a whole platoon. And regarding the beliefs, sure; recently was discussed that Kurt was a christian, and I guess he is in the game too, right? So it'd make sense for him to not go around meat hopping. But considering that in the span of 6 chapters there will be at least 18 girls seemingly ok with sharing one single man (some of which would cannonically have beliefs against that, I suppose), it's a contradiction to justify it with the sexual revolution and at the same time make Null the only example of someone who can have as many girlfriends at the same time as he wants and sleep around. Nobody else does, apparently. Not his girls, who are only his and the characters with most screentime, even if Null doesn't pursue them, if I remember correctly.

Now, the addon is by far the most reasonable answer, and I know well that if you guys added the mere optional possibility of the girls having sex with anyone other than Mr. Me, they'd make whatever Madeninggg has thought about doing to you if you spoil the story mild in comparison. But while this is singlehandedly more than enough to not introduce that into the game, I think that justifying it ingame is either hard, or impossible.

As a side note, while I was writing this post, I got a notification of Madeninggg replying to me saying exactly what is said in the addon. So I guess that settles it, lol.

 

[NexivSelecaf]

This reminded me of keeping Big Sis Jean on a platonic path:

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[Maddeninggg]

it's a contradiction to justify it with the sexual revolution and at the same time make Null the only example of someone who can have as many girlfriends at the same time as he wants and sleep around. Nobody else does, apparently. Not his girls, who are only his and the characters with most screentime, even if Null doesn't pursue them, if I remember correctly.

Null is not the only person who does this on Earth-69. There are others who you may eventually hear of and meet. Also, not every future girl will respond to the situation the same as Rogue/Laura/Jean. The only similarity is that it will be possible to date them all at once while being the exclusive male in the relationship. You could say Null manages to find the perfect 15+ girls who are okay with the arrangement and just so happen to have art and writing in our game

 

[SeveralGeese]

We're not a harem game. We literally fought to have the harem tag removed from the game.

I'm screenshotting this for posterity

But considering that in the span of 6 chapters there will be at least 18 girls seemingly ok with sharing one single man (some of which would cannonically have beliefs against that, I suppose)

Do keep in mind that one of the major requirements for being poly with the gals is that they approve of and are friends with whomst'ever you're planning to date. While the three characters currently available are able to get along with just a bit of a nudge by Null, there's no way that will be a universal trend going on.

something something assuming makes asses for Umi, whoever that is.


Edit: dangit! I also got buzzerbeat with the reply!

 

[salscou]

Null is not the only person who does this on Earth-69. There are others who you may eventually hear of and meet. Also, not every future girl will respond to the situation the same as Rogue/Laura/Jean. The only similarity is that it will be possible to date them all at once while being the exclusive male in the relationship. You could say Null manages to find the perfect 15+ girls who are okay with the arrangement and just so happen to have art and writing in our game

Pic releated: Null

 

[leathermax]

Pic releated: Null
View attachment 4349086

By the sillhouettes during sex, I always thought he was more like this.

 

[Souls_pain]

Are there trios?

 

[Ullaa]

The odds that a polycule would be made up of exactly one person of a specific gender and the rest of the other are pretty good when it's three people, but when it's like, a dozen, things get a little more unlikely. But whatever, I guess it's a concession to porn logic.

Maybe the rest of the X-Men have setups just as crazy in their own romantic lives in this universe. Except Kurt, who's a good Christian boy.

 

[armond]

the gals is that they approve of and are friends

Still the most unbelievable expectation, women being friends and approving of eachother, absolute fiction

 

[Buttholder]

This reminded me of keeping Big Sis Jean on a platonic path:

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Huh. Why am I thinking of that one bit in Ace Ventura all of a sudden?

 

[ronchonbon]

I keep getting this error when I try to run it on my mac. Anybody have any suggestions?

```
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
File "game/characters/Amahl/displayables/monster.rpy", line 158, in <module>
Exception: Could not load Live2D. b'/private/var/folders/xs/pqb613m16bj86m31rxmqx8vm0000gn/T/AppTranslocation/A0FDA1FE-15E5-4992-A291-14D006AE8A9D/d/TheNullHypothesis.app/Contents/MacOS/libLive2DCubismCore.dylib' was not found.

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
File "characters/Amahl/displayables/monster.rpyc", line 158, in script
File "/private/var/folders/xs/pqb613m16bj86m31rxmqx8vm0000gn/T/AppTranslocation/A0FDA1FE-15E5-4992-A291-14D006AE8A9D/d/TheNullHypothesis.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/ast.py", line 923, in execute
img = renpy.python.py_eval_bytecode(self.code.bytecode)
File "/private/var/folders/xs/pqb613m16bj86m31rxmqx8vm0000gn/T/AppTranslocation/A0FDA1FE-15E5-4992-A291-14D006AE8A9D/d/TheNullHypothesis.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/python.py", line 1213, in py_eval_bytecode
return eval(bytecode, globals, locals)
File "game/characters/Amahl/displayables/monster.rpy", line 158, in <module>
File "/private/var/folders/xs/pqb613m16bj86m31rxmqx8vm0000gn/T/AppTranslocation/A0FDA1FE-15E5-4992-A291-14D006AE8A9D/d/TheNullHypothesis.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/gl2/live2d.py", line 605, in __init__
common = self.common
File "/private/var/folders/xs/pqb613m16bj86m31rxmqx8vm0000gn/T/AppTranslocation/A0FDA1FE-15E5-4992-A291-14D006AE8A9D/d/TheNullHypothesis.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/gl2/live2d.py", line 552, in common
return self.create_common()
File "/private/var/folders/xs/pqb613m16bj86m31rxmqx8vm0000gn/T/AppTranslocation/A0FDA1FE-15E5-4992-A291-14D006AE8A9D/d/TheNullHypothesis.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/gl2/live2d.py", line 539, in create_common
rv = Live2DCommon(self.filename, self.default_fade)
File "/private/var/folders/xs/pqb613m16bj86m31rxmqx8vm0000gn/T/AppTranslocation/A0FDA1FE-15E5-4992-A291-14D006AE8A9D/d/TheNullHypothesis.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/gl2/live2d.py", line 177, in __init__
init()
File "/private/var/folders/xs/pqb613m16bj86m31rxmqx8vm0000gn/T/AppTranslocation/A0FDA1FE-15E5-4992-A291-14D006AE8A9D/d/TheNullHypothesis.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/gl2/live2d.py", line 94, in init
onetime_init()
File "/private/var/folders/xs/pqb613m16bj86m31rxmqx8vm0000gn/T/AppTranslocation/A0FDA1FE-15E5-4992-A291-14D006AE8A9D/d/TheNullHypothesis.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/gl2/live2d.py", line 70, in onetime_init
raise Exception("Could not load Live2D. {} was not found.".format(dll))
Exception: Could not load Live2D. b'/private/var/folders/xs/pqb613m16bj86m31rxmqx8vm0000gn/T/AppTranslocation/A0FDA1FE-15E5-4992-A291-14D006AE8A9D/d/TheNullHypothesis.app/Contents/MacOS/libLive2DCubismCore.dylib' was not found.

macOS-10.13.6-x86_64-i386-64bit x86_64
Ren'Py 8.4.0.24111104+unofficial
The Null Hypothesis 0.7b.beta
Tue Dec 17 16:12:07 2024
```

I believe Live2D only supports macOS 12 and up

 

[KingDeDeThree]

Finally reached page 300! 326 to go!

 

[Lachoon]

*Artistic Nulls can tell Rogue the art they got the scholarship for. I chose music.

Any chance of getting similar options for the other backgrounds? Such as explaining to Laura what your athletic scholarship was, or what your major was to Jean?

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Are there trios?

That'd make our budget cry if you want it animated in any way.

Not saying no, but jeez. It'd be expensive and take awhile.

The odds that a polycule would be made up of exactly one person of a specific gender and the rest of the other are pretty good when it's three people, but when it's like, a dozen, things get a little more unlikely. But whatever, I guess it's a concession to porn logic.

This is probably one of like 2, maybe 3 things we will sadly have to concede to porn logic.

Maybe the rest of the X-Men have setups just as crazy in their own romantic lives in this universe. Except Kurt, who's a good Christian boy.

100% possible. Do I need to remind you about the time Beast had a foot fetish cult start because he took his shoe off?

Still the most unbelievable expectation, women being friends and approving of eachother, absolute fiction

I'm ashamed of laughing at this but I can't think of a single woman I know who'd disagree.

Any chance of getting similar options for the other backgrounds? Such as explaining to Laura what your athletic scholarship was, or what your major was to Jean?

I just suggested this be a thing the other day. So it's at least a talking point.