Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.8c] [Ron Chon]

[SeveralGeese]

Sure but just because you have this or that scholarship it doesn't mean you have no interest in other stuff.
I hate it when games only allow or encourage min-maxing and hyperfocusing instead of being more well-rounded.
I get wanting your choices to matter but it feels like such an artifical limit.

I don't want the choice in scholarship to be the choice of which 1-dimensional savant you become. Let's strive for 3-dimensional characters.

Well good news, that's what we have in this game!

The game does make certain assumptions, like assuming Null isn't an aimless deadbeat who will go in for a degree they don't care about and then drop out two years later [I'm totally not projecting].

But even if the scholarship establishes a specialization and interest of your Null, there's nothing stopping you from focusing hard in other fields to be well rounded. But people like Jean and Laura, who *are* hyper-specialized in their fields, are gonna be tough to compete with if you're trying to be a jack-of-all. As Laura says "Time spent talking is time not spent licking."

But if you're complaining why you cant be the absolute BEST at everything all at once, forever... Well, you're shit outta luck, only mary and gary sues get to have no flaws. And that's not an artificial limitation, that's basic ass opportunity costs.

 

[Disambiguation]

Well good news, that's what we have in this game!

And I hope they continue with that instead of

Spoiler: All this shit

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

Which is the direction im arguing against.

But even if the scholarship establishes a specialization and interest of your Null, there's nothing stopping you from focusing hard in other fields to be well rounded.

Currently, but I have seen several comments here and on the discord, that want the scholarships to come up in ways that pidgeonhole Nulls personality.

But if you're complaining why you cant be the absolute BEST at everything all at once, forever... Well, you're shit outta luck, only mary and gary sues get to have no flaws. And that's not an artificial limitation, that's basic ass opportunity costs.

I don't know who you're arguing with here, but it's not me.
Also you probably can do that if you get all the stamina perks.

 

[SeveralGeese]

And I hope they continue with that instead of

Which is the direction im arguing against.

Currently, but I have seen several comments here and on the discord, that want the scholarships to come up in ways that pidgeonhole Nulls personality.

I don't know who you're arguing with here, but it's not me.
Also you probably can do that if you get all the stamina perks.

Alright then, you're saying the things I described about the game are bad, but also that you dont want to be a "power fantasy" guy who is good at everything and has no weaknesses... I genuinely don't know what you're asking for, then.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Currently, but I have seen several comments here and on the discord, that want the scholarships to come up in ways that pidgeonhole Nulls personality.

Either someone misspoke or you misread.

Null's scholarship is just what he's most skilled in. It's not a summarization of his personality.

A Null who is academic minded is more likely to have insight on a mental challenge than he is to be skilled in a physical task.

 

[Buttholder]

I honestly don't know of any member not dying at some point in the history of it existing. not to mention how many times Logan has died

Storm's probably the biggest name never to have been killed off (except in alternate timelines or stuff that gets immediately undone due to time-travel and so on because comics). Rachel Grey's another, but she's not as big. Gimmie some time, I could probably come up with a few others, but there's a surprising number who've never actually been killed off long-term.

 

[b_w_r]

Are people perceiving the scholarship choice as a (reskinned) class based RPG design choice? eg The wizard/warrior/thief class selection?

Uh. Well, X-23 would be... and Jean reads enough that... Anna Marie is literally named...

Well, they got their character sheets all filled in for when they decide to roll dice and murder goblins I guess.

 

[SeveralGeese]

Are people perceiving the scholarship choice as a (reskinned) class based RPG design choice? eg The wizard/warrior/thief class selection?

Uh. Well, X-23 would be... and Jean reads enough that... Anna Marie is literally named...

Well, they got their character sheets all filled in for when they decide to roll dice and murder goblins I guess.

Clearly musician scholarship is the best option then. We'll be unbalancing the party composition if we're not the bard!

 

[NexivSelecaf]

Clearly musician scholarship is the best option then. We'll be unbalancing the party composition if we're not the bard!

Plus, it makes sense for the bard to have to make the most trips to the infirmary.

 

[b_w_r]

Alright, but in the Off Topic thread. Every time I open my mouth here I drag things off topic.

 

[salscou]

Clearly musician scholarship is the best option then. We'll be unbalancing the party composition if we're not the bard!

Not really, its workable, let Laura tank, Null can healslut, Jean cast, and Rogue be a cheeky Rogue.

When can we play some DnD with the girls?

 

[UnsavouryPursuits]

Sped through to the end of Winter today and decided to take advantage of the incredibly convenient and totally not suspicious sale at the mall to buy up ALL the lingerie on offer at X-Treme Intimates, since that's the best opportunity in the game. I have to wonder how my purchases survived incineration via Sentinel, and also what the X-Men must have thought when they came across a very crispy, well-done Null with about three wardrobes worth of women's underwear on his person. How polite of them not to comment.

Anyways, I definitely had enough in my bank account for all those clothes on the purchase screen but apparently the game thought otherwise, which I assume must be down to some minor glitch in how it calculates the sale. Led to this unintentionally funny text exchange after Null's little nap:

Spoiler

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

Yeah, thanks for that 'modest reward', Chuck.

 

[Claireity]

Not really, its workable, let Laura tank, Null can healslut, Jean cast, and Rogue be a cheeky Rogue.
View attachment 4316739
When can we play some DnD with the girls?

Rogue trying to pickpocket someone would introduce a whole new aspect.

And all Jean really has to do is cast Haste on Laura to end any fight.

 

[NexivSelecaf]

Alright, but in the Off Topic thread. Every time I open my mouth here I drag things off topic.

Nah. It's free real estate/community feedback: Putting the devs at further risk for feature creep by suggesting 'D&D game night' with the girls - keeping it mostly text based so that the artists don't have to draw a card game's worth of clothes, poses and backgrounds. Probably more feasible than the card game mini game that folks were talking about months ago from a technical perspective as well- granted that I don't know how well a Magic the Gathering, Hearthstone, Gwent or a Yu-Gi-Oh! can easily function within Ren'Py. At least, I haven't noticed any card games on this site.

Besides, lines about Rogue playing as a rogue write themselves. And, since I figure that these two are the least nerdy of the group, it could be fun trying to persuade Laura and Dazzler to join.

 

[armond]

Nah. It's free real estate/community feedback: Putting the devs at further risk for feature creep by suggesting 'D&D game night' with the girls - keeping it mostly text based so that the artists don't have to draw a card game's worth of clothes, poses and backgrounds. Probably more feasible than the card game mini game that folks were talking about months ago from a technical perspective as well- granted that I don't know how well a Magic the Gathering, Hearthstone, Gwent or a Yu-Gi-Oh! can easily function within Ren'Py. At least, I haven't noticed any card games on this site.

Besides, lines about Rogue playing as a rogue write themselves. And, since I figure that these two are the least nerdy of the group, it could be fun trying to persuade Laura and Dazzler to join.

Imagine these girls playing 40k, Laura would play orks, Jean would be Eldar, Rogue would be tyranids, professor X is essentially the emperor so he would play space marines

 

[Bekai7]

Sped through to the end of Winter today and decided to take advantage of the incredibly convenient and totally not suspicious sale at the mall to buy up ALL the lingerie on offer at X-Treme Intimates, since that's the best opportunity in the game. I have to wonder how my purchases survived incineration via Sentinel, and also what the X-Men must have thought when they came across a very crispy, well-done Null with about three wardrobes worth of women's underwear on his person. How polite of them not to comment.

Anyways, I definitely had enough in my bank account for all those clothes on the purchase screen but apparently the game thought otherwise, which I assume must be down to some minor glitch in how it calculates the sale. Led to this unintentionally funny text exchange after Null's little nap:

Spoiler

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

Yeah, thanks for that 'modest reward', Chuck.

any other advice to advance with the girls faster like this?

last time i played the girls gain stats with the clothes and other gifts, well the gifts only worked once cuz of a bug or something like that.

 

[blarg0192]

How about they put more porn in the porn game?

 

[bismism]

Ok, so is Null getting isekaied at some point?

Gets slapped so hard by Apocalypse, he wakes up in Earth-8101

 

[sleepingkirby]

Sure but just because you have this or that scholarship it doesn't mean you have no interest in other stuff.
I hate it when games only allow or encourage min-maxing and hyperfocusing instead of being more well-rounded.
I get wanting your choices to matter but it feels like such an artifical limit.

I don't want the choice in scholarship to be the choice of which 1-dimensional savant you become. Let's strive for 3-dimensional characters.

I understand what you're saying but, the choice isn't a limit. It's a multiplier/advantage:

And if you're like, "You're cheating", I don't have any cheat written for those. It was just A LOT of time spent in the danger room and I constantly have to train if I want to get ahead of Laura.

The scholarships, at least in terms of ranking and points, is just a multiplier, not a cap:

        def reputation(self):
            reputation = {
                "academic": "n/a",
                "combat": 1.0,
                "social": 0.75,
                "sexual": 0.0}

            if season_day > 13:
                academic_sum = self.History.check("studied", after = day - 13) + self.max_stamina*self.History.check("attended_class", after = day - 13)

                exponent = 0.185

                if self.scholarship == "academic":
                    exponent *= 1.5

                reputation["academic"] = (4.0 - 1.0)*(1.0 - math.exp(-exponent*academic_sum)) + 1.0

If I recall correctly, Laura has a combat advantage. So I have to train like 2~3x as hard as her just to keep ahead. This would pretty much even out if I had picked athletic.

Again, it's not an limit, it's an advantage/multiplier.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

which I assume must be down to some minor glitch in how it calculates the sale.

I... don't think anyone's tried this before. I'll pass it onto Ron.

Earth-8101

My request for Spider Monkey has been denied.

If I recall correctly, Laura has a combat advantage. So I have to train like 2~3x as hard as her just to keep ahead. This would pretty much even out if I had picked athletic.

Which is the entire point.

The average Null just puts in the effort to be fit. As Laura observes, Athletic Null makes sure his fitness is functional.

An Academic Null beating Laura on the rankings is completely possible because you as the player put that effort in. It's just you chose the background that didn't make it easier.

I'll use the whole D&D class comparison thing.

Half y'all(Not you Kirby) complaining about failing stealth checks when you chose the Barbarian class.

 

[Claireity]

Half y'all(Not you Kirby) complaining about failing stealth checks when you chose the Barbarian class.