Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.8c] [Ron Chon]

[NexivSelecaf]

I disagree. I was friends once with a chick who won a Miss Curvy thing, so I imagine she was on the upper end of attractive fat girls, and I didn't like her one bit. Of course, it's purely a matter of taste.

*finally notices the thread reviews for off-topic/book club*

So I guess you'll quit this game is the team decides to include Squirrel Girl with ray tracing?

 

[armond]

I disagree. I was friends once with a chick who won a Miss Curvy thing, so I imagine she was on the upper end of attractive fat girls, and I didn't like her one bit. Of course, it's purely a matter of taste.

As in she taste a lot of food?

 

[hoorrdoorr]

Squirrel Girl

 

[Clobbertime]

The team is mainly working with girls of a certain era of the comics. Which era? I forgot, mainly because I'm pretty satisfied with Kitty showing up within the coming months, but I'm sure that either a dev or a comic nerd will give you the details.

I wonder what the devs think of the news about the upcoming X-Men retcon in the Giant Sized X-Men anniversary edition then? Saw a Clownfish video yesterday about Marvel sending Ms Marvel (Kamala Khan) back in time to take a big part in the Dark Phoenix Saga and House of M storylines that Marvel says will change the future of mutants forever and be made canon. They've even unveiled the cover which is a play on the original Giant Sized X-Man 1 cover with the new X-Men tearing through the cover but with Ms Marvel leading the new X-Men front and center. I fail to see why they keep trying to make such a boring character relevant somehow.

 

[Deskitteh]

I wonder what the devs think of the news about the upcoming X-Men retcon in the Giant Sized X-Men anniversary edition then? Saw a Clownfish video yesterday about Marvel sending Ms Marvel (Kamala Khan) back in time to take a big part in the Dark Phoenix Saga and House of M storylines that Marvel says will change the future of mutants forever and be made canon. They've even unveiled the cover which is a play on the original Giant Sized X-Man 1 cover with the new X-Men tearing through the cover but with Ms Marvel leading the new X-Men front and center. I fail to see why they keep trying to make such a boring character relevant somehow.

It'll be as canon for me as anything after Star Wars Episode 7. I'm sorry. We've had decades of work that stands on its own.

Anything Carol Danvers and Kamala Khan touch recently come back saltine dry. I'm a She-Ra fan - I like my empowered superwomen as much as the next person. There's good character writing and then there's whatever Marvel has been up to recently. It's telling that a mini-series comic starring Peni "Konichiha" Parker and her spider friend had me more invested than a decade of supposedly legendary marvel comics.
I would kill and die for this little guy.


Back to X-Men. I think that it would be exceptionally safe to assume that the devs can ignore this most recent run of Kamala Khan. It'll drum up some hate from Comic book oldies, contrarian antiquarians will buy it on purpose to artificially pump up numbers to show support for Kamala being Khan. Marvel will think they have something on their hands and give 250 million to EA to make a live service flop, which will make Marvel wonder what Iron Heart is up to and why she isn't working with Hulk.

The timeline will change and the X-Men franchise will begin healing... again. In the mean time, we should enjoy what we have. I genuinely appreciate what the team here is doing rather than whatever is going on in-house at the comic book factory.

 

[Shadesishere]

Cut to save space

It's rather telling that a story based porn game will probably be better received by fans then whatever the hell the "official" writers are smoking.
I personally haven't watched anything Marvel since Endgame + Spiderman:NWH, and by the sounds of things, I should be glad for that (might tune in to watch RDJ as Dr. Doom, but even that is kinda... eh).

 

[armond]

I personally haven't watched anything Marvel since Endgame + Spiderman:NWH

Based

 

[Leathermax]

*finally notices the thread reviews for off-topic/book club*

So I guess you'll quit this game is the team decides to include Squirrel Girl with ray tracing?

Damn, and there I was thinking my review was so bad it gave you a stroke.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Edit: @ShinyBoots1993: I'm rebranding the off topic thread as a book club since that's what it has become over the past few months. So... do with that what you will when people start derailing, I guess.

Fine by me. Caught up and no one really said anything needing my response.

The idea of an X-men plot focused around Storm getting her ass pounded made me laugh way too hard.

I mean if you take the phrase in the loosest way, around chapter 4 is during the time she lost her powers and basically hunger gamed her way for survival.

I wonder what the devs think of the news about the upcoming X-Men retcon in the Giant Sized X-Men anniversary edition then?

She's time traveling on Earth-616. That doesn't change the timeline of Earth-69.

 

[UnsavouryPursuits]

I don't read comics (and never have) and I don't know how they usually do it right, but since there is such a problem with timelines, wouldn't it be easier to just LITERALLY divide the actions into different time periods?
Well, let's say, give a note to the comic in which the year of the action is simply written, so that it would be clear at what time these actions take place? Or for some period, let's say name such a period (War "blah blah") that lasts a couple of years, or make some period with a name (Dawn of the Forces "such and such") If it is difficult for writers to figure out in what exact year the actions should take place. Sounds like a simple and logical action, in my opinion, because in this case nothing will get confused.

The issue here isn't a question of whether they can do it, but that the companies want to keep these characters going for as long as possible and letting them age gets in the way of that. Imagine if Marvel explicitly stated that an issue of Amazing Spider-Man takes place in, say, 1963 and that Spider-Man was 17 years old in this issue. If they held true to that and let the character age with each month it took for an issue to come out, then, by now, Peter Parker would be 79 years old. Anchoring a story in a specific year would eventually raise awkward questions if you're planning on having your hero still be around 20 years later in more or less the same state of being.

It's not that the application of real time is impossible in a comic book; it's just that this isn't necessarily creatively desirable. The only examples I can think of where a comic's storyline ran from month to month both IRL and in-universe is The 'Nam and Marvel's currently ongoing reboot of their Ultimate universe.

 

[Xelhmar]

 

[Evil13]

Marvel has also tried to not tie their timelines to real world events as it gets harder and harder to keep them coherent. Simply put, the Sliding Timescale Marvel has been using isn't working anymore.

Prime example, Tony Stark (616) created the Iron Man armour when he was kidnapped during the Vietnam War. (1962, when he made his first appearance). Except, Tony Stark is supposed to be in his early 40s, meaning the Vietnam War had ended before he was born.

Likewise, the Punisher is a Vietnam veteran with multiple tours under his belt. Meaning Frank Castle should be in his 70s at least.

So to try and maintain a little coherency, Marvel brought back Sin-Cong (or Siancong), a minor Communist puppet state in Central Asia, effectively making it a stand-in for North Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and any number of conflicts in the latter half of the 20th and 21st century, making it a location for their military based character to have their retconned origins.

 

[Days&Dollars]

Marvel has also tried to not tie their timelines to real world events as it gets harder and harder to keep them coherent. Simply put, the Sliding Timescale Marvel has been using isn't working anymore.

Prime example, Tony Stark (616) created the Iron Man armour when he was kidnapped during the Vietnam War. (1962, when he made his first appearance). Except, Tony Stark is supposed to be in his early 40s, meaning the Vietnam War had ended before he was born.

Likewise, the Punisher is a Vietnam veteran with multiple tours under his belt. Meaning Frank Castle should be in his 70s at least.

So to try and maintain a little coherency, Marvel brought back Sin-Cong (or Siancong), a minor Communist puppet state in Central Asia, effectively making it a stand-in for North Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and any number of conflicts in the latter half of the 20th and 21st century, making it a location for their military based character to have their retconned origins.

Have they come up with an alternative to Magneto being a survivor of the actual holocaust or are they saying that at minimum Magneto is in his 90s?

 

[Evil13]

Have they come up with an alternative to Magneto being a survivor of the actual holocaust or are they saying that at minimum Magneto is in his 90s?

Magneto being a survivor of the Holocaust is key to his characterisation. He is a man who has vowed "Never Again", both as a Jewish man and a Mutant. You can't really change that to a fictional genocide.

By the same token, Captain America would most likely remain a character who is also tied to World War 2. Within a sliding timeline, he's one of the few characters they can get away with that. Instead of him being found 20 years after the war, him being found later strengthens his man-out-of-time nature.

 

[eatgreencrayons]

They'll just say he found out a way to be immortal and sexy with magnets... somehow. His magnet powers can do anything. And so can he.

 

[drifter139]

Have they come up with an alternative to Magneto being a survivor of the actual holocaust or are they saying that at minimum Magneto is in his 90s?

there was an episode in X-Men Evolution where he used a machine to help heal himself similar to the one that made Steve Rogers Captain America but no idea how they'll do it this time

 

[xlebyshik]

The issue here isn't a question of whether they can do it, but that the companies want to keep these characters going for as long as possible and letting them age gets in the way of that. Imagine if Marvel explicitly stated that an issue of Amazing Spider-Man takes place in, say, 1963 and that Spider-Man was 17 years old in this issue. If they held true to that and let the character age with each month it took for an issue to come out, then, by now, Peter Parker would be 79 years old. Anchoring a story in a specific year would eventually raise awkward questions if you're planning on having your hero still be around 20 years later in more or less the same state of being.

It's not that the application of real time is impossible in a comic book; it's just that this isn't necessarily creatively desirable. The only examples I can think of where a comic's storyline ran from month to month both IRL and in-universe is The 'Nam and Marvel's currently ongoing reboot of their Ultimate universe.

Marvel has also tried to not tie their timelines to real world events as it gets harder and harder to keep them coherent. Simply put, the Sliding Timescale Marvel has been using isn't working anymore.

Prime example, Tony Stark (616) created the Iron Man armour when he was kidnapped during the Vietnam War. (1962, when he made his first appearance). Except, Tony Stark is supposed to be in his early 40s, meaning the Vietnam War had ended before he was born.

Likewise, the Punisher is a Vietnam veteran with multiple tours under his belt. Meaning Frank Castle should be in his 70s at least.

So to try and maintain a little coherency, Marvel brought back Sin-Cong (or Siancong), a minor Communist puppet state in Central Asia, effectively making it a stand-in for North Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and any number of conflicts in the latter half of the 20th and 21st century, making it a location for their military based character to have their retconned origins.

I don't get it, if they want to endlessly "exploit" the characters, then why make time frames at all? Literally, just let them not indicate the years when certain events take place so as not to confuse people and not to fool themselves with time transfers.
Yes, it will be strange and incomprehensible, but it is better to let it be like this than some stupid movements of time lines back and forth, twisting everything so stupidly.

I don't know, maybe it looks normal for people who read comics, but for me, a person far from this, it looks more like some kind of circus with clowns and not authors who make good and thoughtful content

 

[Evil13]

I don't get it, if they want to endlessly "exploit" the characters, then why make time frames at all? Literally, just let them not indicate the years when certain events take place so as not to confuse people and not to fool themselves with time transfers.
Yes, it will be strange and incomprehensible, but it is better to let it be like this than some stupid movements of time lines back and forth, twisting everything so stupidly.

Firstly, it's not exploitation if Marvel created the characters.

Secondly, you really don't get the point. Marvel tries not to tie years to their comics as it already dates them (and believe me, you read some comics from the early to mid 90s and they're dated enough as it is).

Thirdly, the whole point of a floating timeline is that you don't need to say what year it is. It's always the present day. Hence why it's called a floating or sliding timeline. But there are problems with maintaining that.

Marvel's sliding timeline works on the idea that approximately 15 years have passed since the Fantastic Four got their powers (real world year of 1961). So we're looking at 4 years real time for every 1 year in the Marvel universe. That's fine for characters like the Fantastic Four, or Spider-man or others.

Where it starts getting messy is when characters were explicitly tied to a real world event because they were meant to embody a philosophy or belief. Examples include:
- Iron Man creating his armour in Vietnam, as an anti-Communist and pro-war character. It's why a lot of Iron Man's earliest enemies were Soviet agents and imitators.
- Amongst the X-men, Professor X had fought in the Korean War.
- Flash Thompson and James Rhodes (Anti-Venom and War Machine respectively) are Vietnam War veterans.

By their very nature, those wars and origins get very dated, very quickly, necessitating shifting the origin to a more recent conflict. For example, Tony Stark can't make his armour in Afghanistan and be an anti-Communist character if the Soviet Union has been dead for 35 years, can he?

It's easier to create a fictional area that has been host to a number of conflicts in recent decades than to keep track of who needs to their origin updated every 5 years. And it's a whole lot easier to use it to maintain the sliding timeline.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Hey everyone. I got some bad news for those interested in dev team's personal lives.

My dog of 12 years has liver and kidney failure and I'm gonna be putting her down.

I'm gonna take a break from online responsibilities while I handle the grief as I have already lashed out at some people. (No one related to this community)

 

[Lev4ik]

Hey everyone. I got some bad news for those interested in dev team's personal lives.

My dog of 12 years has liver and kidney failure and I'm gonna be putting her down.

I'm gonna take a break from online responsibilities while I handle the grief as I have already lashed out at some people. (No one related to this community)

loosing your 4 paw companion is always hard, fer years ago my dog also die coz she was rly old(