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And yes, I do ACTUALLY believe (one of) these plot points.

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On a related note I've just read up to uncanny x-men 150 and my thoughts are: Kitty is one of the best characters, Scott is surprisingly a decent leader and character, I can see a friendship with Null developing very quickly thanks to Null's nullification ability, Scott is almost as depressed as Rogue and being able to see without the ruby quartz glasses would be a major bonding moment between the two.

Don't really have strong thoughts about Alex; he's barely a character in what I've read. I am surprised by the amount of nipples they snuck in as well. Wolverine is kinda an ass but it varies issue to issue. Alpha flight, I kinda just wanted to skip through because of how convoluted the reasoning was.

Charles asshole moments did happen but they always felt kinda out of nowhere and the majority of the time he was the classic mentor figure stuff like EVO popularized him as which made the asshole moments even more jarring.

As to the quality of the arcs, I enjoyed the hellfire arc until Dark Phoenix, which was far more abrupt than I thought it would be in pretty much every regard. Phoenix in general felt kinda strange, but that might just be me and me being a random user on a porn pirate forum means my opinion is meaningless.

A lot of random adventures, Kitty fights demon xenomorph. Doom and Storm flirt. Every mercenary and their mother has power armor, and now I'm at the Magneto arc who for some reason is on r'lyeh (seriously the artists must have been crazy into the Cthulhu mythos).

And that's all the thoughts I currently have on reading through over 50 issues of Uncanny X-men in a few hours.
 

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As to the quality of the arcs, I enjoyed the hellfire arc.
The Hellfire Club get some fantastic arcs in X-men if you make it to New Mutants you'll see what I mean but I'm glad you enjoy them. I'd love to see some Hellfire Club in TNH.
 

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The Hellfire Club get some fantastic arcs in X-men if you make it to New Mutants you'll see what I mean but I'm glad you enjoy them. I'd love to see some Hellfire Club in TNH.
They're a good antagonist in their first arc, though I feel like Dark Phoenix robs way too much from them, which might be heresy considering how many people consider that part of the arc legendary.
 

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Don't worry they get their fair share of page time throughout X-Men.
Figured, but I'm not there yet.
Some thoughts on Dark Phoenix. Based on my own thoughts as well as some from behind the scenes from Chris and his team.
Honestly, I have to agree with you, the arc is jarring as Phoenix is pulled in every random direction before ultimately becoming Dark Phoenix, and that arc barely lasts long enough to leave a lasting impression of Dark Phoenix.

And Phoenix really didn't feel that powerful, which made Dark Phoenix all the more jarring. The arc is supposedly legendary, but it felt more like Jean was a plot device than a character for far too much of the Phoenix arc for reasons beyond her power and they could have easily wrote her burning up most of the power in some grand feat like the whole M'kraan Crystal thing but that didn't happen and history was made.
 

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Scott is surprisingly a decent leader and character
Yes actually, he is THE leader of the X-men for good reason, Scott catches alot of flak but most of the time he pulls through, the guy cares about leading the teams and isa case of him not really wanting to lead, but just being there because he has to and cant leave his team-mates behind.
Im really glad youre enjoying the comics though.
I don't actually own the image. If my memory serves me right I think it was salscou who made it then posted it? Unless he got it from somewhere else but if you see this salscou. Do you have the file? xD
Oh no no no, i didnt make that, i just reposted it.
 

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Yes actually, he is THE leader of the X-men for good reason, Scott catches alot of flak but most of the time he pulls through, the guy cares about leading the teams and isa case of him not really wanting to lead, but just being there because he has to and cant leave his team-mates behind.
Im really glad youre enjoying the comics though.
Just want to bring up that Scott's negative traits seem to be a later addition because they just aren't present at this point and later he... *check's wiki* ... Oh dear god what did they do to Scott!

*check's Xavier* ... What the hell did they do to Xavier!

*check's the rest of the X-Men* ... What the fuck Marvel!
 

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Just want to bring up that Scott's negative traits seem to be a later addition because they just aren't present at this point and later he... *check's wiki* ... Oh dear god what did they do to Scott!

*check's Xavier* ... What the hell did they do to Xavier!

*check's the rest of the X-Men* ... What the fuck Marvel!
Best aggregate summary for Scott's core character for good and ill across the comics I can put together.
 
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Just want to bring up that Scott's negative traits seem to be a later addition because they just aren't present at this point and later he... *check's wiki* ... Oh dear god what did they do to Scott!
Oh boy wait till you get to The End of the World as We Know It, Probably the biggest turning point for Cyclops as a character.
 

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Best aggregate summary for Scott's core character for good and ill across the comics I can put together.
More or less, Scott is, at least in this era, a deeply heroic character who is forced to be a leader in situations he is just not equipped to deal with mainly because he is the only one who can. It gets noticed in the comics where he needs to train the team, and his mounting frustrations and grief interfere. He does acknowledge he is flawed and making mistakes though.

After this era.... Well I really hope Null is David Haller because that level of BS on the side of X-men would avert so much stupid and generally being a reasonable friend would avert far more whenever the Universe isn't bending itself to make everyone seem like they swallowed a gallon of powdered lead and mercury.
Oh boy wait till you get to The End of the World as We Know It, Probably the biggest turning point for Cyclops as a character.
I'm probably just going to stick to the Chris Claremont era. It gets so dumb from there on after, and the latest comics are just outright offensive.
 

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Just want to bring up that Scott's negative traits seem to be a later addition because they just aren't present at this point and later he... *check's wiki* ... Oh dear god what did they do to Scott!

*check's Xavier* ... What the hell did they do to Xavier!

*check's the rest of the X-Men* ... What the fuck Marvel!
Thats what i meant with the X-men we knew.
The current X-men are unrecognizable and proved fucking Bolivar Trask right, they are undistinguishable from the brotherhood.
 

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More or less, Scott is, at least in this era, a deeply heroic character who is forced to be a leader in situations he is just not equipped to deal with mainly because he is the only one who can. It gets noticed in the comics where he needs to train the team, and his mounting frustrations and grief interfere. He does acknowledge he is flawed and making mistakes though.

After this era.... Well I really hope Null is David Haller because that level of BS on the side of X-men would avert so much stupid and generally being a reasonable friend would avert far more whenever the Universe isn't bending itself to make everyone seem like they swallowed a gallon of powdered lead and mercury.

I'm probably just going to stick to the Chris Claremont era. It gets so dumb from there on after, and the latest comics are just outright offensive.
Dipping a bit here and there into the early 00s selectively isn't a terrible idea but yes agreed on the current run.
 
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