Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.8c] [Ron Chon]

[Sweetluvd]

Did you wait until the .bat file finished processing before playing the game? The command prompt should tell you when it's done.

Many thanks, dude.

 

[Dazzier31]

I have a question, Could we fuck Jean and Laura yet, bro

Yes you can.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

"Hey, there might be a legit problem here. Did you mean to do this?"

Absolutely. I'm trilingual myself and English, in general, is a pretty antagonistic language.

This is true but I wasn't referencing miscommunication. I was referring to the people often utilizing slurs or direct insults. If someone is using poor or odd grammar structure, I often assume they're well intentioned just to be on the safe side.

But not complaining about something is not an approval of something.

I explained my point poorly then. We have received approval for the writing pacing and the gameplay pacing. Not just approval, but praise.

I don't think it needs explaining why we tend to listen to positive approval instead of blatant insults.

If you go through the thread's history, I do mention "I'll pass it onto the devs" quite often. I suggest you go back a few pages because within context you're defending someone who was quite rude.

Those that weren't rude I took their suggestions to the dev. Just because I made responses doesn't mean I was dismissing them.

Forgive me if I overly explain things but when I say entitled, I do mean that genuinely. There's no miscommunication when someone uses racial and sexual slurs demanding we take out the story and replacing it with mind breaking or some form of domination. Which isn't valid criticism.

I am absolutely not saying all criticism is antagonistic or not valid, your posts simply isn't acknowledging the more objectively toxic parts of this process.

"We've heard this complaint before and, after considering it, we decided to keep it in place because it's the game we want to make. If you don't like it, this probably isn't the game for you."

I have said this. More than once. Though I understand if you don't want to go through a dozen pages or so.

I do repeat myself a lot, which I don't take issue with as I don't expect people to go more than one page back on average.

Just trying to give some helpful advice because you seem like a nice dude.

I welcome the advice and I appreciate the compliment.

This quote is a pretty conspicuous example of this kind of thing, but this unfamiliarity with adult game design language specifically and UX and game design theory in general pops up over and over again when making suggestions or critiquing feature implementation

In my defense, I'm not a game dev. I'm the community guy.

I read every post. I mean that quite literally. I pass on the feedback and the devs act or don't act on it.

Responses to these kinds of questions give the impression that a lot of UI desicions are based on "someone on the dev team thought this would be really cool" rather than any UX principles.

I'm actually the one that goes rule of cool.

If there's something that seems off, again this is an early beta. A lot of people, including you, seem to be under the impression that a lot of the design choices are deliberate and unchanging.

There's a lot of under designed, unfinished, and things that seem outright missing. I can not understate how EARLY in the development we are because all of those claims are true. We're working on them. As I said, I pass all of our feedback to the dev team.

We however need time to gather improvements because we don't want to just randomly update every other day.

With so much of the team having a background in psychology

No that's just me. I do give input to some presentation of a scene but most of my direction was during the alpha stage.

the pushback that's sometimes shown when someone points out some way in which the game violates some well known UX or game design principle can be pretty frustrating.

What pushback? I have openly accepted feedback and brought it to the dev team. I even say I will bring it to the dev team to assure people they're being heard and taken seriously.

Unless there has been a miscommunication due to text admittedly not conveying tone properly, the only time I have given pushback is when we get someone demanding domination, gaslighting, abuse, or just a bunch of other kinks we don't want to include or when someone wants us to focus less on story.

The closest I can think of is that I mentioned that the grind rate will remain the same but that we include on adding more events that gift trust and love or adding alternative methods to speed it up such as gifts, more conversation options, more date and hang out options, ect.

Though that takes time.

I'm going to give a bunch of you the benefit of the doubt but I am informing you that they way some of you are coming off is that you're taking us not updating the day of your post as a no to your suggestions.

The lack of patience and understanding that we will get to it when we get to it, because there's a lot of more important things to work on such as the upcoming sex art update, is what is truly frustrating.

I'm sorry if I'm coming off as a little defensive. At no point have I said "no" to UI improvements. I have in fact openly stated I will and have brought attention to the suggestions to the dev team.

I however reserve the right to clown on people being objectively aggressive. Not accusing you of being aggressive but you are coming off as being very selective of my responses.

I apologize if I'm being a bit frank but I am somewhat annoyed by the inconsiderate approach you seem to be taking.

I have a question, Could we fuck Jean and Laura yet, bro

All three girls are fully romancable and sexable.

 

[sleepingkirby]

This is true but I wasn't referencing miscommunication. I was referring to the people often utilizing slurs or direct insults. If someone is using poor or odd grammar structure, I often assume they're well intentioned just to be on the safe side.

Understood. I was referring to only EggplantEnjoyer's (and that level) of posts.

I explained my point poorly then. We have received approval for the writing pacing and the gameplay pacing. Not just approval, but praise.

Thank you. That was the context I was missing.

If you go through the thread's history, I do mention "I'll pass it onto the devs" quite often. I suggest you go back a few pages because within context you're defending someone who was quite rude.

I think there's a misunderstanding here. I wasn't defending EggplantEnjoyer. I do agree, he was quite rude and entitled and a lot of his statements were completely unreasonable. That was my intention in stating he was using personal attack fallacy as well as authoritative fallacy (and a few others). My point was simply that, in the sea of insults, sometimes there's a grain of truth. As long as the points have been considered (long grind and text wall/text pacing). that's literally more than I can ask for.

Those that weren't rude I took their suggestions to the dev. Just because I made responses doesn't mean I was dismissing them.

That's all I was making sure of.

Forgive me if I overly explain things but when I say entitled, I do mean that genuinely. There's no miscommunication when someone uses racial and sexual slurs demanding we take out the story and replacing it with mind breaking or some form of domination. Which isn't valid criticism.

Completely agreed.

I am absolutely not saying all criticism is antagonistic or not valid, your posts simply isn't acknowledging the more objectively toxic parts of this process.

You are correct. That's because I wasn't speaking to obviously belligerent and racist remarks. I was working under the assumption that we both understand that those types remarks are obviously bad, shouldn't be considered, and, therefore, not worth addressing. Like, it should be obvious, right? If someone is being racist for racist's sake to bully a point across that has no validity or logic and is either physically impossible or voids the point of the thing altogether, that should be ignored. I suppose I was assuming too much and I apologize for not realizing you were speaking to that point.

I have said this. More than once. Though I understand if you don't want to go through a dozen pages or so.

As I've mentioned above. I was speaking just to EggplantEnjoyer's post. In which, your response was:

None of this will make it into the game. It's not open to discussion or debate. If you want to experience this content, then I respectfully request that you find a game you will enjoy.

"not open to discussion or debate" reads very much like "We didn't consider this and we're not going to." rather than what I suggested of "We have considered it and we've decided that's not the game we want to make." While the two sound similar, the latter is statement is more for those that are NOT EggplantEnjoyer, third parties, not unlike myself, reading the conversations to be informed of the point. As well as provide a logically immovable point that would highlight, to not only EggplantEnjoyer, but also to third parties, that any counter point made to that statement would be unreasonable at best and just plain childish and petty at worse.

I welcome the advice and I appreciate the compliment.

I know it sounds like I don't know what you're going through, but I do. I use to work in a call center for at&t wireless customer service where not only were we forced to take every call and every insult, we had to do with with a smile (yes, you can hear through the phone when someone is smiling or not), still help them with whatever perceived issue they were having, whether the issue was real or not. We were literally trained to never say "no". If our manager heard us say "no" to a request, we would literally get written up. And we could never EVER be the one to end the call or tell them to fuck off even in the most polite sense. It was in the business unit (when a large business purchases a plan for all of their employees) too so every customer was extra entitled. I would say a good 20~35% would straight up lie to us. If you got a call 1 minute before you clock out and that call ended up being 2 hours long (it's happened to me before, multiple times.), you didn't get home until 8~9 pm. There were days where, if it weren't for the window at my desk, I wouldn't even see sunlight. And all that was ignoring the numbers (number of calls) I had to hit in a day. So, yes, I know what you're going through. Everything I've written is speaking from those experiences. So thank you for keeping a level head and hearing me out.

 

[damias]

you know...a question i have is...will x-23 hymen regenerate each time....?

 

[Mutation8888]

As long as the points have been considered (long grind

Every game has events that must be repeated to achieve a goal. Some games have grind fests, others have moderate or barely any grind at all. I would rate this game at low grind since the points needed for love/trust are acquired as the story progresses quite naturally. Of course, if story is not what someone wants in a game, then they would call this a grind fest. Many of us wanted more out of a game than just "see LI, say: hey babe, skip to sex scene." It gets boring after a couple of chapters of VN or sandbox game for some people that want something different from the game. We still like adult oriented games, but adding some actual story and thought to it is what at least some want. This is why I for one would not utilize your cheat system. I am sure it is fun for some to circumvent the point of a game or VN, but not for all. If I wanted just to fast forward I could just as easily unpack the renpy files and look at anything I want. I have literally seen time and again someone use a cheat code or mod on a game they were really enjoying only to play the cheat version for one hour and throw it away out of boredom and disgust. You have to pick and choose what you want and go find it. If this is not it, there are literally hundreds of other games out there to scratch whatever itch someone has. I have played RLE for a while and thought it was good, but that it lacked a bit more substance. I did not play RLE for as long as I have played other games with more story and character development such as TNE. Not saying one is better than the other, but I am just saying each person has a different itch.

 

[Mutation8888]

you know...a question i have is...will x-23 hymen regenerate each time....?

Probably not. She lost her hymen exercising prior to her mutant ability activating for one and actual regeneration in most cases should not work that way. Look back in prior discussions for why.

 

[Lucid Lancer]

Why is there a limiter on "flirt" to once a day? It's like devs knew that if they won't put it there every player will become a simp eventually, even the ones who don't want or like to be but still i have to say, what the hell man?

I mean, can't smooch/can't hold hands/can't say lub you/can't hug/can't do any of the hardcore stuff more than once a day, that's just outright cruel. I really want to be a simp in this game, just let me be a damn simp.
Kindly remove that limiter if possible.

Like it so far, just hope that the choices for the content in the game will remain present throughout and also looking forward the MC's progress when he finally becomes at least somewhat powerful.

 

[King_In_Yellow]

you know...a question i have is...will x-23 hymen regenerate each time....?

Good question, that's something to think about

 

[damias]

Why is there a limiter on "flirt" to once a day? It's like devs knew that if they won't put it there every player will become a simp eventually, even the ones who don't want or like to be but still i have to say, what the hell man?

I mean, can't smooch/can't hold hands/can't say lub you/can't hug/can't do any of the hardcore stuff more than once a day, that's just outright cruel. I really want to be a simp in this game, just let me be a damn simp.
Kindly remove that limiter if possible.

Like it so far, just hope that the choices for the content in the game will remain present throughout and also looking forward the MC's progress when he finally becomes at least somewhat powerful.

i think a better way to implement it would be to not limmit it but make the point increase only once a day,t might be to simplify is work as a developper than add many line of code

 

[red1988]

i got a probleme ist mod i says this error cannot locate python.exe unable to continue are you sure we re in the game root directory i doing something worny here guys a littele help

 

[buddytmp]

you know...a question i have is...will x-23 hymen regenerate each time....?

wasn't it adressed in the story? she picked some chems to (un)do with it iirc (or was it for the pill thing? )

nice game btw

 

[Jinp]

For anyone that is complaining about UI/UX, Don't worry i listened very clear your opinions and removed myself from the dev team, i hope Ron find someone with the right skill set for replacement, as it seens you guys have experience on the field, if any of you want to voluntery to replace me is more than welcome, just to clarify is a not remuned work . So if anyone with experience welcomes in their heart the desire to help the project talk with Ron.

 

[damias]

wasn't it adressed in the story? she picked some chems to (un)do with it iirc (or was it for the pill thing? )

nice game btw

just something i had a tought about... and i might have forgotten about it... but thanks for saying,and i agree, good game as of yet (and saying yet simply because it is still chapter 1 and a lot is to come )

 

[Buttholder]

Probably not. She lost her hymen exercising prior to her mutant ability activating for one and actual regeneration in most cases should not work that way. Look back in prior discussions for why.

To expand on this/save people having to go back about 200 pages, she's been training literally since the day she could walk. It's possible for it to break due to rigorous exercise, physical activity, etc. so if it was gone before her healing factor kicked in, it wouldn't regenerate, same way if, for example, she lost a finger before it activated.

(yes, this is something we've had multiple serious discussions about in the devteam, yes, I often find myself wondering if Warren Spector has these discussions. David Cage absolutely does though, we all know this)

 

[NexivSelecaf]

Thanks, dude. I tried it and it seems to work. Although I went straight to Rogue's bedroom and she still didn't want to show her tits.

Rogue's tits ≥ Laura's butthole.

 

[Mutation8888]

To expand on this/save people having to go back about 200 pages, she's been training literally since the day she could walk. It's possible for it to break due to rigorous exercise, physical activity, etc. so if it was gone before her healing factor kicked in, it wouldn't regenerate, same way if, for example, she lost a finger before it activated.

(yes, this is something we've had multiple serious discussions about in the devteam, yes, I often find myself wondering if Warren Spector has these discussions. David Cage absolutely does though, we all know this)

Yeah, plus it really is just stretched out after so much working out or penetrative sex.. actual breaking or tearing can occur, but is not as commonplace as people think. I would think that regeneration would be adaptive since working out causes muscles to tear and get bigger, more toned, and stronger in regenerating mutants. Other adaptive changes to the body that are considered natural would also be left alone by regeneration or actually enhanced due to the natural reasoning for those changes to occur by that line of thought.

 

[JustCallMeSteve]

Recently I got to thinking, although they are similar; to a certain extent Nulls abilities seem to manifest more permanent evolutions/changes than Darwins do, to my understanding anyways. Additionally Given the reaction of Nulls power(s) to Rogues during the brief moment they were about to touch leads me to believe that there might be a more than instinctual intelligence or awareness behind it. Those factors in turn led to the idea that perhaps Null might be some sort of nascent host for the Phoenix force(or a similar force/entity) in some capacity. Although many of the earth hosts we know of are Psychic(Telepaths, Telekinetics, and the like), the notable ones were also mutants(Emma Frost, Jean Grey, etc). The Phoenix force is a force of evolution as well and Null has been evolving through each major incident.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

My point was simply that, in the sea of insults, sometimes there's a grain of truth.

That I can agree with. It's the specific reason why I read EVERY post.

As long as the points have been considered (long grind and text wall/text pacing). that's literally more than I can ask for.

Just to assure you, I have brought your points to the dev team. What happens from here is out of my hands.

Like, it should be obvious, right?

You would think. Though not only is this the internet, it's a pornsite. We've had people vigorously defend their use of verbal abuse because they're so in the right that we shouldn't be offended by name calling or foul language.

We've also had people who are 100% civil in their tone, but defend that behavior.

"not open to discussion or debate" reads very much like "We didn't consider this and we're not going to." rather than what I suggested of "We have considered it and we've decided that's not the game we want to make."

Without context yes, you're absolutely correct. Early on, and occasionally still, we got bombarded with demands of the dominance and addiction mechanics. Hell we had to ban some people coming into our discord and report them here because people were arguing rather STRONGLY for us to let them mutilate the girls.

I'll keep in mind for the future that some people won't know about past arguments or know that discussions have been had.

Point being is that we've had several days long discussions and have decided that everything within our game will be consensual and we will not be including content that could be considered sexually abusive.

Why is there a limiter on "flirt" to once a day? It's like devs knew that if they won't put it there every player will become a simp eventually, even the ones who don't want or like to be but still i have to say, what the hell man?

I mean, can't smooch/can't hold hands/can't say lub you/can't hug/can't do any of the hardcore stuff more than once a day, that's just outright cruel. I really want to be a simp in this game, just let me be a damn simp.
Kindly remove that limiter if possible.

Like it so far, just hope that the choices for the content in the game will remain present throughout and also looking forward the MC's progress when he finally becomes at least somewhat powerful.

i think a better way to implement it would be to not limmit it but make the point increase only once a day,t might be to simplify is work as a developper than add many line of code

Well there's two points to argue for this.

1. We could make it that you only gain points the first time, or maybe get points the second time but at a reduced rate and everything after that gains no points till the next day. I like randomly telling my partner I love them and giving surprise hugs too.

2. However that'd easily let players see all of the variations in one interaction which would be kinda lame and artificially slow down the pacing thus leading to the feeling of grind.

she's been training literally since the day she could walk.

Which could also explain why she's so short. Her growth is stunted. Girl's like what, 200+ years old in the comics now? Still 5 feet.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

to a certain extent Nulls abilities seem to manifest more permanent

We still got like 5 more chapters to get through. Are you certain his gained abilities are permanent?