Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.8c] [Ron Chon]

[cannavaro99]

oh i forgot!
is the deeptroath animation gonna be fixed with the next update?
text says the girls "take in" your entire lenght if i'm not mistaken
but the animation stops at like 3/4 of the total. it is meant to be so?
ta.

 

[JustCallMeSteve]

I mean, realistically Mystique would be out for Null's blood.

How so/why?

 

[Evil13]

How so/why?

Rogue is her adopted/foster daughter.
Kurt's her biological son.
She's a controlling and abusive mother. And insane.

 

[Dazzier31]

How so/why?

Several scenarios honestly, remember, Mystique is probably the worst person you could ever know.

Some reasons she would want to kill Null:

- For fun
- Because she is bored
- Because Rogue likes him
- Because Kurt likes him
- Because she thinks killing him will help her reconnect with her kids
- Because her girlfriend said at an undisclosed time in the future, Null may or may not be in the proximity of an event that may mildly inconvenience either herself, said girlfriend or both
- Because she might be batshit insane

Hence why I advocate to make her Willie E. Coyote, it would be hilarious.

 

[JustCallMeSteve]

Hence why I advocate to make her Willie E. Coyote, it would be hilarious.

I was imagining something like Jesse and James from Team Rocket for the original Pokemon series, though they became supportive of Ash by the end, so probably not.

So it would be out of character for Mystique to manipulate events and possibly Null in an attempt to manipulate Rogue or get Rogue more on her side/way of thinking?

 

[Evil13]

So it would be out of character for Mystique to manipulate events and possibly Null in an attempt to manipulate Rogue or get Rogue more on her side/way of thinking?

No, she absolutely would. Mystique is the kind of nutjob where she would shapeshift into a girl to try and seduce Null.

I think the overall opinion is that as soon as she got close to Null, his passive power would cause hers to go kaput.

 

[Dazzier31]

So it would be out of character for Mystique to manipulate events and possibly Null in an attempt to manipulate Rogue or get Rogue more on her side/way of thinking?

Depends on the manipulation I guess, for example, her trying to sleep with Null to break Rogue's heart and have her run back to mom? 100% possible, she tried to do it to Gambit in the comics.

 

[JustCallMeSteve]

No, she absolutely would. Mystique is the kind of nutjob where she would shapeshift into a girl to try and seduce Null.

I think the overall opinion is that as soon as she got close to Null, his passive power would cause hers to go kaput.

Doesn't the close range nullification only come into effect when he focuses on it, as displayed during the training with Jean?

All the other showings of his nullification require touch, aside from the showings during training.

This is of course unless i missed something and the nullification within 2 feet unless he suppresses it is his default state now?

 

[Poker_king70]

Hence why I advocate to make her Willie E. Coyote, it would be hilarious.

Does Acme sell a 2-ton anti-mutant anvil?

 

[Dazzier31]

Does Acme sell a 2-ton anti-mutant anvil?

ACME? No clue, but one of the 700 Stark Industries competitors in the Marvel Universe might.

 

[drifter139]

Doesn't the close range nullification only come into effect when he focuses on it, as displayed during the training with Jean?

All the other showings of his nullification require touch, aside from the showings during training.

This is of course unless i missed something and the nullification within 2 feet unless he suppresses it is his default state now?

in that example of training with Jean, he was focusing on trying to turn it off instead of keeping it on. the whole touch thing seems to be more related to Rogue since her power requires physical touch to work

 

[JustCallMeSteve]

in that example of training with Jean, he was focusing on trying to turn it off instead of keeping it on. the whole touch thing seems to be more related to Rogue since her power requires physical touch to work

I don't agree, as far as i can see, most seem to believe that Nulls Nullification(and i agree based on what i recall from the game), as in to nullify another's mutant power entirely, requires touch contact. This can be seen in responses to more recent posts with scenarios, one example here concerned colossus and Magneto has been mentioned in similar scenarios on the Discord.

 

[Mutation8888]

Doesn't the close range nullification only come into effect when he focuses on it, as displayed during the training with Jean?

All the other showings of his nullification require touch, aside from the showings during training.

This is of course unless i missed something and the nullification within 2 feet unless he suppresses it is his default state now?

Null's nullification defaults to a two foot range if someone is trying to target him with a directed power. Like when Jean is telekinetically pushing objects at him, her power was unable to continue controlling them within 2 feet of him unless he concentrated to turn it off as drifter139 indicated. This would occur with something like Scott's eyebeams as well, however, side effects, like air concussion and plasma from super heated air would still hit Null even though the full effect of the eyebeams could not. In the case of Mystique's power, it may be affected by contact since it is not directed or dangerous itself at a range. The two foot range is probably Null's power trying to keep ranged mutant abilities from hitting him, but it has a seriously limited radius. Now if only Jean has practiced with Null on extending the range of his power, it might become even more useful after all (if it is possible to extend it, which the radius seems to indicate is possible to some degree).

The way his powers are working for now is that they seem to act as a form of reactive danger sense that morphs into whatever may protect him better. It is only partially controlled on a conscious level, so it is only able to be directed to take on new qualities when he is danger and thinking about a way to alleviate or overcome that danger. His actual power does seem to be a form of power manipulation on himself that is primarily defensive. Of course it could still simply be that nullification is not really his power and is only the first power he simulated (possibly from a random mutant with nullification he touched at college), or that he actually does have reality manipulation and does not know how to control it yet.

 

[drifter139]

I don't agree, as far as i can see, most seem to believe that Nulls Nullification(and i agree based on what i recall from the game), as in to nullify another's mutant power entirely, requires touch contact. This can be seen in responses to more recent posts with scenarios, one example here concerned colossus and Magneto has been mentioned in similar scenarios on the Discord.

I told you how it worked in training but if you don't wanna listen, then don't ask about it

 

[mzerodark]

Sounds like Mystique would make a very interesting love interest for Null, considering her relationship with Rogue and Kurt, as well being a villain to the X-Men. And, as already mentioned, at some point, Null would be able to shut down her shape-shifting abilities to expose her true self. Unless there is a change in locale, or she masquerades as a student or teacher at the school carefully, she wouldn't be around Null enough to develop into one of the three love interests that each chapter will have. Perhaps, she'll have to be a DLC character who becomes curious about him given his new relationship with Rogue (and perhaps his accomplishments on the team if the story has progressed enough), then takes a personal interest in him after she gets better acquainted with him and his abilities, which then becomes a brief (and secret) sexual relationship (like a booty call?).

 

[JustCallMeSteve]

I told you how it worked in training but if you don't wanna listen, then don't ask about it

If i am wrong, i am wrong, I am more than willing to admit that. I will not, however, immediately agree/change my mind simply because someone states a differing opinion as you did, (I am referring here to the touch contact portion of Nulls abilities not the training with Jean. I could have been more specific about that in my response.). I was wrong about the training, after my previous post i replayed through the training and came to the conclusion that you were right on that count and i had been misremembering bits of it.

However as Mutation8888 posited/stated in their response, the training and the nullification aura has been shown to work against directed powers. If the aura worked against the mutants themselves as touch does then I think some of the dialogue/descriptions could have/should have reflected that, presuming of course that the dialogue was not conducted from beyond the aura range. In the beginning it is stated during initial contact with Storm, Laura, and others that it feels strange when they make physical contact with Null. Presumably if they are close enough to shake hands or make contact in another way they would be within the aura(Also presuming the Aura was a thing that early), and it would be noticeable if it affected them the same way the touch does.

I agree with Mutation8888 that the Aura seems to work more towards directed mutant abilities, like Jean moving the tennis ball, while the touch contact would shut down passive abilities that the Aura doesn't, as well as not allowing use of the directed abilities while in contact. Though i do think that the aura might prevent Mystique from shifting forms while within the range, though it might not revert her back to her native appearance.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

I don't agree, as far as i can see, most seem to believe that Nulls Nullification(and i agree based on what i recall from the game), as in to nullify another's mutant power entirely, requires touch contact. This can be seen in responses to more recent posts with scenarios, one example here concerned colossus and Magneto has been mentioned in similar scenarios on the Discord.

As a dev, I can confirm that it doesn't require touch. Though it's temperamental and I'll bring up a few examples mentioned in the past.

One of Jean's psychic bolts? Disappears once within proximity.

One of Spyke's spikes? Well it's a sharp bone, it stopped being a power once it left his body.

Pyro's flames? Well, Null could stop Pyro from turning the fire into a snake or rope to wrap around Null but the dude is still aiming a flamethrower at Null. Which is definitely not a mutant power.

Also since Colossus has been mentioned. An important thing to clear up is that his flesh form is his natural state. So if Null touched Colossus, he could force the dude out of his metal form.

Kurt is naturally blue. He was born that way. Null's ability can't change your phenotype.

None of this is new information. It's either in-game or answered in a dev Q&A and it will eventually make its way in-game.

they seem to act as a form of reactive danger sense

As far as we've seen it behave, this is a good line of thought to follow.

 

[JustCallMeSteve]

To address the initial point of contention:

No, she absolutely would. Mystique is the kind of nutjob where she would shapeshift into a girl to try and seduce Null.
I think the overall opinion is that as soon as she got close to Null, his passive power would cause hers to go kaput.

I disagreed with the latter bit, believing that for that to occur physical contact must be made. Would physical contact be required or would Mystique just have to step within the nullification aura?

 

[Pope Alexander VI]

Please don't tear down one queen to raise another.

I am not tearing anyone down. I just said it's a worse game which is true. If I wanted to tear Oni down I would say "He's extremely lazy and just refuses to deal with his stupid spaghetti code which in turn just contributes to his laziness since it delays updates and it just becomes a vicious cycle". But I didn't say that, did I?

 

[Clobbertime]

Don't be That Guy, you can enjoy both our games, they both fulfill different needs and niches and I'm pretty sure most of the folks in this thread have spent countless hours on RLE.

I wasn't being 'that guy', I was just letting him know the game he was looking for already exists. I've played a lot of RLE myself.