Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.8c] [Ron Chon]

[SolSpell]

Is there a schedule for the updates? I'm getting very keen!

 

[cameldrum]

I'm experiencing a weird bug.

Pretty much finished the game, max stats for all girls, done all sidequests.

While she did it earlier no problem, Laura doesn't want to play with herself anymore. Also, still no sex from her, though anal works.

If this is indeed a bug, is there any way to fix this?


Love the game, hoping for threesome content asap.

Bit nauseating to see people ask for pregnancy stuff btw... Just, ew. Please never add that to the game.

 

[Tinklesan]

I loved the game, but having to ask permission for everything everytime makes me cringe.
Every sex scene is basically this video:

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[ShinyBoots1993]

Is there a way to make the girls put the butt plug in their mouths?

Not at the moment.

ShinyBoots1993
Did you guys every figure out why, even after you tell the character you're dating that you'd like to date other people and they give the okay, they'll still get jealous? I'm asking because I can confirm that that still happens on a fresh/new game and I think I know why.

It's a bug and we're working on it.

So... nothing of value actually changes because all you have is the illusion of choice and Lee dies no matter what?

I meant more the Batman or Wolf Among Us Telltalle... God those were good.

Why would OPP be bad? it seems like the only good form of poly

I mean if you're a straight dude I guess.

Also, ask any woman and they'll be able to tell you in detail why a modern IRL harem would be suffering for the dude involved.

Why would Kurt, an ordained Catholic priest, have premarital gay sex?

He ain't ordained yet in the timeline. Also being a homosexual and having catholic beliefs are not mutually exclusive.

If this is indeed a bug, is there any way to fix this?

You haven't triggered the final romance scene with her yet. Try taking her out on a date or sleeping in your room alone.

Bit nauseating to see people ask for pregnancy stuff btw... Just, ew. Please never add that to the game.

I don't see how it's ew but if we include it, it'd be an option you can toggle.

but having to ask permission for everything everytime makes me cringe.

It's on the rewrite list we have. Though we're focused more on expanding the quirk system to not be all or nothing before we tackle that.

 

[Crichton]

ShinyBoots1993
Did you guys every figure out why, even after you tell the character you're dating that you'd like to date other people and they give the okay, they'll still get jealous? I'm asking because I can confirm that that still happens on a fresh/new game and I think I know why.

Is it possible you're not having the secondary conversation to tell them who specifically you intend to date? I was just playing a new game and still haven't seen the cheating scenes despite blatantly sleeping around.

Like after telling Jean "I want to be your boyfriend, but I also want to date other people" and her accepting, you must go back to Jean and say "I want to date Laura, is that okay?" and then "I want to date Rogue, is that okay?"

 

[sleepingkirby]

Is it possible you're not having the secondary conversation to tell them who specifically you intend to date? I was just playing a new game and still haven't seen the cheating scenes despite blatantly sleeping around.

Like after telling Jean "I want to be your boyfriend, but I also want to date other people" and her accepting, you must go back to Jean and say "I want to date Laura, is that okay?" and then "I want to date Rogue, is that okay?"

I definitely did. In fact, I found where/what the bug (well, one of them) is and fixed it. It worked for you because, in a way, you got lucky.
What's going on with that bug is that in each character's game/characters/<character>/events/relationship/jealousy.rpy file, the conditions to run each jealousy event is checking Character.check_traits('polyamorous') wrong. But not all of them. It should have be:

"not Character.check_traits('polyamorous')"

(note the "not") for all of them. Instead, some has the "not" and others didn't.

If you look at each file:

./Jean/events/relationship/jealousy.rpy:11:            "not Jean.check_traits('polyamorous')",
./Jean/events/relationship/jealousy.rpy:261:            "not Jean.check_traits('polyamorous')",
./Jean/events/relationship/jealousy.rpy:436:            "not Jean.check_traits('polyamorous')",
./Jean/events/relationship/jealousy.rpy:610:            "Jean.check_traits('polyamorous')",
./Jean/events/relationship/jealousy.rpy:762:            "Jean.check_traits('polyamorous')",

./Laura/events/relationship/jealousy.rpy:11:            "not Laura.check_traits('polyamorous')",
./Laura/events/relationship/jealousy.rpy:253:            "not Laura.check_traits('polyamorous')",
./Laura/events/relationship/jealousy.rpy:459:            "not Laura.check_traits('polyamorous')",
./Laura/events/relationship/jealousy.rpy:606:            "Laura.check_traits('polyamorous')",
./Laura/events/relationship/jealousy.rpy:747:            "Laura.check_traits('polyamorous')",

./Rogue/events/relationship/jealousy.rpy:11:            "not Rogue.check_traits('polyamorous')",
./Rogue/events/relationship/jealousy.rpy:251:            "not Rogue.check_traits('polyamorous')",
./Rogue/events/relationship/jealousy.rpy:421:            "not Rogue.check_traits('polyamorous')",
./Rogue/events/relationship/jealousy.rpy:569:            "Rogue.check_traits('polyamorous')",
./Rogue/events/relationship/jealousy.rpy:718:            "Rogue.check_traits('polyamorous')",

So, depending on which jealousy event the condition is fulfilled for, you may or may not get a jealousy event you should have even when you're in a poly relationship. But there's a potential problem 2, depending on what the intent is.

Whenever you flirt, it runs this code:

                for C in Partners:
                    if C != Character and (not C.check_traits("polyamorous") or Character not in C.knows_about):
                        C.History.update("cheated_on_flirting")

                        if not Player.History.check(f"cheated_on_{C.tag}_date", tracker = "recent"):
                            Player.History.update(f"cheated_on_{C.tag}_with_{Character.tag}_flirting")

                        if Character.location == Player.location and Player.location in public_locations:
                            C.History.update("cheated_on_flirting_in_public")

                            if not Player.History.check(f"cheated_on_{C.tag}_date", tracker = "recent"):
                                Player.History.update(f"cheated_on_{C.tag}_with_{Character.tag}_flirting_in_public")

Basically, every time you flirt with character A, if character B is around and NOT polyamorous or doesn't know about A, that cheating flag increments for character B, i.e. B thinks you're cheating on her with A. Which sounds okay until you think about what if character A is the person that's poly and okayed the relationship with character B? This runs the possibility that when B *BECOMES* polyamorous and knows about A, she'll say you cheated on her because you've "cheated" on *PRIOR* to her being poly even when you told her about A (because the jealousy condition for flirting_anyways doesn't check for if B knows A).

IMO (and this may not be the best way to do this, but it make sense in the real world), the moment A is poly and knows about B, A's "cheated_on_flirting_in_public" counter needs to be set to -1 (which is what a lot of the conditons are checking for).


But, realistically, once the check for polyamorous is fixed in the jealousy file, at the moment, problem 2 would be fixed.


ETA: I forgot to mention this. In my case, I went on a date with Jean and Rogue (who has poly set and knows about Jean) came in upset. But she's not upset because I dated Jean nor slept with her, but because I *flirted* with her. The scene I got was "Rogue_jealousy_flirted_anyways" NOT "Rogue_jealousy_went_on_date_anyways".

 

[wiseold6996]

I mean if you're a straight dude I guess.

Also, ask any woman and they'll be able to tell you in detail why a modern IRL harem would be suffering for the dude involved.

Dunno about I mean those middle eastern sheikhs are having jolly good time.

 

[Dazzier31]

I mean if you're a straight dude I guess.

Also, ask any woman and they'll be able to tell you in detail why a modern IRL harem would be suffering for the dude involved.

Or ask any married man.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Dunno about I mean those middle eastern sheikhs are having jolly good time.

You fully know that I didn't mean that context.

But yeah. While we do make compromises because at the end of the day TNH is a video game, we do try to present the relationships as realistically as possible short of having a game over screen.

 

[red1988]

the new update will release here guys

 

[jefxxxyxyz]

the new update will release here guys

there is an update?

 

[thundersamaz]

Not yet.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

the new update will release here guys

Can you please stop saying this?

Yes, the new update will release here.

You don't have to keep posting that it will.

 

[red1988]

ok sorry

 

[JustADude321]

...Why is there a black figure with bunny ears looming in the background during some scenes? Am I going crazy?

 

[Crichton]

...Why is there a black figure with bunny ears looming in the background during some scenes? Am I going crazy?

You sleepwalking again, Donnie?

It's a patron reward. Get a silhouette in the background.

 

[holzheimer1993]

In the changelog text file attached to the game, there appears to be this line:
<new NSFW event>
- once you've gifted Laura a remote vibrator, you can ask her to train with it

How in the hell do you get to that conversation at all?

 

[drifter139]

In the changelog text file attached to the game, there appears to be this line:
<new NSFW event>
- once you've gifted Laura a remote vibrator, you can ask her to train with it

How in the hell do you get to that conversation at all?

I feel like it would be awkward and slightly comical at the same time trying to explain to a girl with no experience with sex toys what it does and where it goes. imagine her loudly saying "where do I put this?" in front of other students

 

[Evil13]

At which point, the best way to deal with sex toys is to gift them only in the privacy of the specific girl's bedroom, or in Null's bedroom. Make it an event where Null and the girl in question have an evening of fun and playing around with the new toy. They can discuss how it works, go over some ideas of when they might use it. Null might even suggest getting them butterfly panties and teasing them with the idea of making them wear them on a date. Getting sex toys open up the possibility of intimate events with the girls, not just "Put this on while we have sex", for example:

- Null slowly trailing a vibrator across Laura's skin for the first time, helping Laura find her erogenous zones.
- Null playing a game with Rogue by getting her to wear a vibrator and edging her to orgasms, and peppering her with kisses. She cums, she loses.
- Null driving Jean wild by playing with his big sis by tying her to the bed and leaving a wand against her pussy and stripping off for her.

These are just ideas off the top of my head.

 

[King_In_Yellow]

At which point, the best way to deal with sex toys is to gift them only in the privacy of the specific girl's bedroom, or in Null's bedroom. Make it an event where Null and the girl in question have an evening of fun and playing around with the new toy. They can discuss how it works, go over some ideas of when they might use it. Null might even suggest getting them butterfly panties and teasing them with the idea of making them wear them on a date. Getting sex toys open up the possibility of intimate events with the girls, not just "Put this on while we have sex", for example:

- Null slowly trailing a vibrator across Laura's skin for the first time, helping Laura find her erogenous zones.
- Null playing a game with Rogue by getting her to wear a vibrator and edging her to orgasms, and peppering her with kisses. She cums, she loses.
- Null driving Jean wild by playing with his big sis by tying her to the bed and leaving a wand against her pussy and stripping off for her.

These are just ideas off the top of my head.

I like this especially the examples you gave
This would add a unique touch to the relationship, with each girl having different tastes and ways of using sex toys.