Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.8c] [Ron Chon]

[BitesZaDusto]

One thing I've been curious about which has been getting more prevalent with recent updates is regarding quirks, since I pretty much encouraged all of them just because I didn't want to chastise any of the girls and make them seem less unique down the line. But I remember seeing comments months ago that the quirks may not always play out to the character's or Null's benefit and I can see potential consequences for each character or how they may develop in future chapters in terms of look and personality.

Staring off with Rogue, I don't know if it's possible for her to develop a personality similar to her X-Men TAS counterpart if the player discourages the submissive and masochism quirks, as those quirks seem to be more opposite of the characterization presented in that media as she's more independent and outspoken. In which a more free-spirited and flirtatious personality can coincide to the chapters/arcs where she has longer hair such as Savage Land.

X-23 it's easier for me to see how her protectiveness quirk may play out in the story such as in a hypothetical scenario, she may injure or attack Emma, where Emma is not hostile to Null but due to her current or former role as an antagonist it creates conflict between those two that may affect the relationship between the two of them and Null.

With Jean I can see the Big Sister Quirk maybe playing a role with how she sees Null down the line in terms as his own individual and maybe as someone who she can confide into on a equal level or not during Chapter 2 more so than the big sis/little bro dynamic she's been trying to establish.

And maybe with Storm, depending on her quirks it could a play role in her transitioning into her Mohawk phase or keeping her status quo/personality we're currently familiar with so far in the story.

I don't know if I'm looking too deeply into the quirks specifically and their future implications, but stuff like this being potential possibilities would help me plan out the direction I want to go on my full Chapter 1 replay whenever development is done.

 

[Deleted member 8667162]

OH ALSO- I remembered a second question. It's also been said that my man Spidey has his own selection of ladies, if I read that right. I imagine they include MJ and Felicia; is that correct? Who else is Peter porking? And who else in Earth-69 has their own gaggle of gals/guys?

Afaik, Kurt has Amanda Sefton, Piotr will have his love interest/interests other than Kitty for obvious reasons, and TNH dev team are currently discussing whether getting Scott and Madelyne together or not if she's added to story.

 

[drunkenrioter]

Afaik, Kurt has Amanda Sefton, Piotr will have his love interest/interests other than Kitty for obvious reasons, and TNH dev team are currently discussing whether getting Scott and Madelyne together or not if she's added to story.

Ye ye, I remember reading those. I was specifically asking about who else has MULTIPLE partners, because I also seem to remember reading that Null's harem/polycule setup isn't unique in the setting (given Earth-69's much more sex-positive attitude)- and I THINK I remember reading that Spidey was an example. Maybe I worded the question badly. Thanks, though.

Edit- I'm aware of how the Free Love movement lasted a lot longer/never really stopped in this reality, so just wanna get that on the table.

 

[RandomNumber]

Don't take this as confirmation, as Betsy Braddock is still at least a full chapter away from being introduced, if she is introduced, so anything can change. But there has been a couple of ideas of Betsy remaining in her British version for the game and then her body swap happening off screen, so her Japanese version could appear in a sequel. But that's only an idea, one of many that were thrown about.

With all due respect to the writers and whatever their preferences may be, this sounds like a worst-case scenario to me. I've never met another comic fan who actually liked "original" Betsy (or Kwannon as a separate character of her own for that matter) and I really think that most people would prefer to just see her as her most iconic and recognizable in pop culture self from the start. In addition, those who are familiar with the body swap story usually don't actually think it's even a good story (not to mention that in the context of modern politics there's now a stigma around it), is there some kind of value in either adapting or avoiding-but-having-to-later-acknowledge it that I'm not seeing?

As I'm sure I've posted in this thread at least once before, why not simply make her an Asian woman from Britain from birth?

Her and Captain Britain can be half-siblings if that's the sticking point and you don't want Brian and Jamie to also be Asian. Maybe their dad has a poly relationship too since that's a thing on this Earth and he is weathly elite. Then you can at least use the character's dialogue talking about her origins and family to help establish how common this is and it's not just Null himself having porn-game-protagonist-powers.

 

[salscou]

With all due respect to the writers and whatever their preferences may be, this sounds like a worst-case scenario to me. I've never met another comic fan who actually liked "original" Betsy (or Kwannon as a separate character of her own for that matter) and I really think that most people would prefer to just see her as her most iconic and recognizable in pop culture self from the start. In addition, those who are familiar with the body swap story usually don't actually think it's even a good story (not to mention that in the context of modern politics there's now a stigma around it), is there some kind of value in either adapting or avoiding-but-having-to-later-acknowledge it that I'm not seeing?

As I'm sure I've posted in this thread at least once before, why not simply make her an Asian woman from Britain from birth?

Her and Captain Britain can be half-siblings if that's the sticking point and you don't want Brian and Jamie to also be Asian. Maybe their dad has a poly relationship too since that's a thing on this Earth and he is weathly elite. Then you can at least use the character's dialogue talking about her origins and family to help establish how common this is and it's not just Null himself having porn-game-protagonist-powers.

Ill say it again, Oni's take on the matter its pretty functional.
Her dad is british, her mom japanese, her brother takes after his father, and she takes after her mother, no need to make it complicated, and that way we get asian psylocke we all know and love.

 

[RandomNumber]

Ill say it again, Oni's take on the matter its pretty functional.
Her dad is british, her mom japanese, her brother takes after his father, and she takes after her mother, no need to make it complicated, and that way we get asian psylocke we all know and love.

I hate to encourage anything that makes people draw more similarities to RLE (unavoidable as it may be), partly because I actually fucking hate almost everything Oni has done in his game that makes it different from normal X-Men content or the Evo cartoon it was supposed to be based on (sorry fans of bitch-Jean, not sorry at all to fans of Gwen and Squirrel Girl - those two are the reason I stopped supporting on patreon and don't even play it anymore)

...but yeah, just make her Asian from the start. No good reason not to.

 

[sleepingkirby]

Ill say it again, Oni's take on the matter its pretty functional.
Her dad is british, her mom japanese, her brother takes after his father, and she takes after her mother, no need to make it complicated, and that way we get asian psylocke we all know and love.

Honestly, even the few times I did read X-men as a kid/teenager, I completely missed that she's Asian. And like, I actually do speak Chinese and Japanese and did martial arts. Hell, I'm sitting in a 和室 (sans tatami though... Considering getting some). It blew my mind that anyone would take actually look at her in the comics and recognize her for being Asian. I'm still in the camp of "Don't bring it up and let the reader/player make up the head cannon for themselves." since these are fictional characters and it's all in our heads anyways. But I forget what Shiny and the devs ended up landing on for their approach.

 

[RandomNumber]

Honestly, even the few times I did read X-men as a kid/teenager, I completely missed that she's Asian. And like, I actually do speak Chinese and Japanese and did martial arts. Hell, I'm sitting in a 和室 (sans tatami though... Considering getting some). It blew my mind that anyone would take actually look at her in the comics and recognize her for being Asian. I'm still in the camp of "Don't bring it up and let the reader/player make up the head cannon for themselves." since these are fictional characters and it's all in our heads anyways. But I forget what Shiny and the devs ended up landing on for their approach.

Western comic art "house styles" are not known for facial detail, which can make determining race from that alone pretty vague. Psylocke is also meant to be a practitioner of Ninjutsu, not that only Japanese people can be ninjas... (her outfit might not reflect that if your cultural touchstone for such things is authentic, but it makes perfect sense if you compare her to contemporaries of the 80's and 90's like Elektra in Daredevil or Kitana and Mileena in Mortal Kombat II).

In any case, in this game's more painterly artstyle I'd expect race would be a lot more evident in the face.

 

[salscou]

Honestly, even the few times I did read X-men as a kid/teenager, I completely missed that she's Asian. And like, I actually do speak Chinese and Japanese and did martial arts. Hell, I'm sitting in a 和室 (sans tatami though... Considering getting some). It blew my mind that anyone would take actually look at her in the comics and recognize her for being Asian. I'm still in the camp of "Don't bring it up and let the reader/player make up the head cannon for themselves." since these are fictional characters and it's all in our heads anyways. But I forget what Shiny and the devs ended up landing on for their approach.

She was a cool ninja, just because you werent able to see it doesnt means the rest of us didnt believe that in the 90s, besides, the art for this game is much more detailed than the old comics, wich at best the details you could get were the covers.

 

[SerHawkes]

I mean damn Rogue. I get that your happy to have someone who can null your power, but I didn't expect you to be THIS excited.

Decided to do a restart after some fun time with Rogue and now this. Either one hell of a bug, not that I mind of course, or the Eldrich Dildo Machine is at play. -Unsure-

 

[SerHawkes]

One thing I've been curious about which has been getting more prevalent with recent updates is regarding quirks, since I pretty much encouraged all of them just because I didn't want to chastise any of the girls and make them seem less unique down the line. But I remember seeing comments months ago that the quirks may not always play out to the character's or Null's benefit and I can see potential consequences for each character or how they may develop in future chapters in terms of look and personality.

Staring off with Rogue, I don't know if it's possible for her to develop a personality similar to her X-Men TAS counterpart if the player discourages the submissive and masochism quirks, as those quirks seem to be more opposite of the characterization presented in that media as she's more independent and outspoken. In which a more free-spirited and flirtatious personality can coincide to the chapters/arcs where she has longer hair such as Savage Land.

X-23 it's easier for me to see how her protectiveness quirk may play out in the story such as in a hypothetical scenario, she may injure or attack Emma, where Emma is not hostile to Null but due to her current or former role as an antagonist it creates conflict between those two that may affect the relationship between the two of them and Null.

With Jean I can see the Big Sister Quirk maybe playing a role with how she sees Null down the line in terms as his own individual and maybe as someone who she can confide into on a equal level or not during Chapter 2 more so than the big sis/little bro dynamic she's been trying to establish.

And maybe with Storm, depending on her quirks it could a play role in her transitioning into her Mohawk phase or keeping her status quo/personality we're currently familiar with so far in the story.

I don't know if I'm looking too deeply into the quirks specifically and their future implications, but stuff like this being potential possibilities would help me plan out the direction I want to go on my full Chapter 1 replay whenever development is done.

Rogue is submissives and a bit of a masochist. Nothing entirely wrong with that. Flip side, would indeed be curious to see the flip side that. Hand cuffing us to the bed or chair and riding us till we are empty with the gals watching... Not that I'm against that.

Jean pretty much has a bit of a incest kink with that whole bro/sis dynamic. Would have been interesting, and hilarious, if we could choose to be somewhat older going into college and have some measure of a history or background as to why we went to college at say for example 21-23. Goodbye bro kink, hello daddy kink.

 

[sleepingkirby]

She was a cool ninja, just because you werent able to see it doesnt means the rest of us didnt believe that in the 90s, besides, the art for this game is much more detailed than the old comics, wich at best the details you could get were the covers.

That's kind of my point though. You believed it. You didn't need someone to go "LOOK! AZN! NINJA!" We all know who Psylocke is. We all know what she's suppose to be. Why say it?

 

[RandomNumber]

That's kind of my point though. You believed it. You didn't need someone to go "LOOK! AZN! NINJA!" We all know who Psylocke is. We all know what she's suppose to be. Why say it?

Because in the process of getting to know each girl you're dating, they tell you about where they come from and their lives before the institute?

 

[salscou]

That's kind of my point though. You believed it. You didn't need someone to go "LOOK! AZN! NINJA!" We all know who Psylocke is. We all know what she's suppose to be. Why say it?

Man, i swear, every time youre difficult on purpose on this issue.

 

[sleepingkirby]

Because in the process of getting to know each girl you're dating, they tell you about where they come from and their lives before the institute?

Right, how many of the love interests so far in game have told you so far their race? For example, what race is Laura? Because, last I checked, none. They say, in writing, less is more. Like you mentioned, Elektra isn't Japanese, but she learned martial arts. So with Psylocke, it could be, "I trained with X and Y in Japan as a child."

 

[sleepingkirby]

Man, i swear, every time youre difficult on purpose on this issue.

I'm Taiwanese, man. If we backed down everyone someone wanted to be comfortable, China would have taken us over a long time ago. Besides. It's my view. You don't have to agree. You don't even have to argue. I've said my piece. If you don't reply, I won't push it. It's not like Shiny and the writers don't already have something in mind.

 

[salscou]

I'm Taiwanese, man. If we backed down everyone someone wanted to be comfortable, China would have taken us over a long time ago.

Its simple, if in comic book readers mind, both Psylocke and Jubilee were asian, in this game people would expect them to look asian, no, it does not matter if you didnt see it that way because they arent accurate, the example someone brought up of mortal kombat is exactly right.

 

[sleepingkirby]

Its simple, if in comic book readers mind, both Psylocke and Jubilee were asian, in this game people would expect them to look asian, no, it does not matter if you didnt see it that way because they arent accurate, the example someone brought up of mortal kombat is exactly right.

I didn't say they shouldn't look Asian. I'm just saying, don't say it. Don't explicitly go "I'm Japanese". Let the environment and story imply it and then let the player take it the rest of the way.

 

[RandomNumber]

Right, how many of the love interests so far in game have told you so far their race? For example, what race is Laura? Because, last I checked, none. They say, in writing, less is more. Like you mentioned, Elektra isn't Japanese, but she learned martial arts. So with Psylocke, it could be, "I trained with X and Y in Japan as a child."

Laura might be half-hispanic depending on what source material one draws from, but obviously was made in a lab and doesn't know where she comes from outside of Logan, and it affects her whole character.

Race isn't a big part of Rogue, but her southeast-US heritage is - the way she talks, the food she eats, etc. Also she has yet to elaborate on her backstory much almost certainly because she's hiding the secret that she was adopted by Mystique and that's the "difficult family" she's been getting those phone calls from in the game.

When we get to Storm next season, that's a character who used to be worshipped as a goddess by an African tribe. There's no way that doesn't affect how a person sees themselves.

Psylocke could be written to have feelings about being of mixed heritage, of being different from her brothers, or of being the product of a relationship similar to Null's if the writers decide to go in any of those directions. Those would all be big factors in a person's upbringing that would shape their life and personality and honestly it'd be a waste for a writer to disregard the opportunity to flesh her out.

 

[Sprungler]

Laura might be half-hispanic depending on what source material one draws from, but obviously was made in a lab and doesn't know where she comes from outside of Logan, and it affects her whole character.

Race isn't a big part of Rogue, but her southeast-US heritage is - the way she talks, the food she eats, etc. Also she has yet to elaborate on her backstory much almost certainly because she's hiding the secret that she was adopted by Mystique and that's the "difficult family" she's been getting those phone calls from in the game.

When we get to Storm next season, that's a character who used to be worshipped as a goddess by an African tribe. There's no way that doesn't affect how a person sees themselves.

Psylocke could be written to have feelings about being of mixed heritage, of being different from her brothers, or of being the product of a relationship similar to Null's if the writers decide to go in any of those directions. Those would all be big factors in a person's upbringing that would shape their life and personality and honestly it'd be a waste for a writer to disregard the opportunity to flesh her out.

Do we have any previews or ideas on which design Psylocke will get in this game?