Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.8c] [Ron Chon]

[Buttholder]

You guys know your stuff on the worldbuilding side, so I have no doubt you'll do great going forward with it. This is the only major question for the future that I see that pokes at me when I play. But I'll see what you guys come up with.

Personally, I've never been big into the 'harem' concept, it always rubbed me the wrong way. I remember one of the big conversations we had right before release was 'are we going to go the harem route and make things easy on ourselves or go with poly and make things extra difficult for ourselves'. And, of course, we decided to go the difficult route, because why take the easy way out? That said, while some characters will be more prominent based on the storyline we're covering, in terms of the slice-of-life stuff, clothing, outfits and so on, the plan is for everyone to get equal content. Is that going to mean tons of extra writing work for us? Oh god, yes. But it's our goal to make sure every character gets the same amount of love. I've said before, but it always sucks to see a game add new characters and forget about the old ones, then watch the cycle repeat as those characters get ignored in favour of the new hotness and so on. That's one of my major goals once we get deeper into the story.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Personally, I've never been big into the 'harem' concept, it always rubbed me the wrong way. I remember one of the big conversations we had right before release was 'are we going to go the harem route and make things easy on ourselves or go with poly and make things extra difficult for ourselves'. And, of course, we decided to go the difficult route, because why take the easy way out? That said, while some characters will be more prominent based on the storyline we're covering, in terms of the slice-of-life stuff, clothing, outfits and so on, the plan is for everyone to get equal content. Is that going to mean tons of extra writing work for us? Oh god, yes. But it's our goal to make sure every character gets the same amount of love. I've said before, but it always sucks to see a game add new characters and forget about the old ones, then watch the cycle repeat as those characters get ignored in favour of the new hotness and so on. That's one of my major goals once we get deeper into the story.

Unless if there is a limit less then the max people possible, it's hard for me to see how it won't turn into a harem functionally where you "catch them all", but we'll have to see.

And yeah I totally agree, "sitcom" style writing where you just add more and ditch the old always sucks when applied to relationship plots.

 

[salscou]

Unless if there is a limit it's hard for me to see how it won't turn into a harem functionally, but we'll have to see.

And yeah I totally agree, "sitcom" style writing where you just add more and ditch the old always sucks when applied to relationship plots.

I mean, it doesnt HAVE to, just because you can doesnt mean you must.
I just have a different save for each girl and one where Null is a wizard for future girls.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

I mean, it doesnt HAVE to, just because you can doesnt mean you must.
I just have a different save for each girl and one where Null is a wizard for future girls.

Oh I know. That's probably the #1 issue I see in the game is that it feels a lot better to just do solo routes. Going "poly" just feels like it will turn into a harem which feels off for this game.

 

[salscou]

Oh I know. That's probably the #1 issue I see in the game is that it feels a lot better to just do solo routes. Going "poly" just feels like it will turn into a harem which feels off for this game.

I know, in RLE i have no problem being the school champ Zero and just creaming any skirt that comes around, but in TNH it just doesnt feel like something Null would do.

 

[JustCallMeSteve]

I know, in RLE i have no problem being the school champ Zero and just creaming any skirt that comes around, but in TNH it just doesnt feel like something Null would do.

I generally agree, comparatively, but not everyone's Null is the same.

Oh I know. That's probably the #1 issue I see in the game is that it feels a lot better to just do solo routes. Going "poly" just feels like it will turn into a harem which feels off for this game.

That really depends on your definitions of poly and harem.

 

[Ballistic 9029]

I know, in RLE i have no problem being the school champ Zero and just creaming any skirt that comes around, but in TNH it just doesnt feel like something Null would do.

Personally, I've never been big into the 'harem' concept, it always rubbed me the wrong way. I remember one of the big conversations we had right before release was 'are we going to go the harem route and make things easy on ourselves or go with poly and make things extra difficult for ourselves'. And, of course, we decided to go the difficult route, because why take the easy way out? That said, while some characters will be more prominent based on the storyline we're covering, in terms of the slice-of-life stuff, clothing, outfits and so on, the plan is for everyone to get equal content. Is that going to mean tons of extra writing work for us? Oh god, yes. But it's our goal to make sure every character gets the same amount of love. I've said before, but it always sucks to see a game add new characters and forget about the old ones, then watch the cycle repeat as those characters get ignored in favour of the new hotness and so on. That's one of my major goals once we get deeper into the story.

The thing is, I appreciate how Null actually seems to be a more "realistic" protagonist in the romance/slice of life sense-

Admittedly I could see it getting out of hand in some ways, but that could also be part of the story-

It's just like...Null, for as fucked up as his circumstances start out, ends up being a paragon character in his own right because-

If you play him as being the "best" version of himself, he's basically out here genuinely giving 110% to everyone he meets, romantic or otherwise-

Even if you play him as the most traditional "paragon" version of himself, poly included, because of the nature of his story at this point and because of his role in it, he never really feels like a "perfect" character.

Like yeah, he's got multiple superpowers, which even at this stage, would make him nearly unkillable in most situations, but to him, while there is the idea of improving himself for his own sake-

He, especially this early on, feels like no matter how strong he gets or how "good" he is, it's just never enough, because there's always a bigger fish, and there will never be a day where he can "fix" everything for all the people that he cares about, and honestly-

I could see that being a core part of his character going forward.

Because yes, he's been through the physical and mental trauma already-

What would hurt him much more though, is if anyone other than him were the one to bear it I think.

At least that's what I got from my Null.

 

[Ballistic 9029]

The thing is, I appreciate how Null actually seems to be a more "realistic" protagonist in the romance/slice of life sense-

Admittedly I could see it getting out of hand in some ways, but that could also be part of the story-

It's just like...Null, for as fucked up as his circumstances start out, ends up being a paragon character in his own right because-

If you play him as being the "best" version of himself, he's basically out here genuinely giving 110% to everyone he meets, romantic or otherwise-

Even if you play him as the most traditional "paragon" version of himself, poly included, because of the nature of his story at this point and because of his role in it, he never really feels like a "perfect" character.

Like yeah, he's got multiple superpowers, which even at this stage, would make him nearly unkillable in most situations, but to him, while there is the idea of improving himself for his own sake-

He, especially this early on, feels like no matter how strong he gets or how "good" he is, it's just never enough, because there's always a bigger fish, and there will never be a day where he can "fix" everything for all the people that he cares about, and honestly-

I could see that being a core part of his character going forward.

Because yes, he's been through the physical and mental trauma already-

What would hurt him much more though, is if anyone other than him were the one to bear it I think.

At least that's what I got from my Null.

Even the "renegade" version of Null, with a generally more abrasive personality, still gravitates towards doing the most good he can, for the most people he can-

That just happens to translate to the poly aspect of his character as well.

I think it is 100% believable why this guy would end up with all the girls-

EDIT: I mean...yeah, he really is kind of crazy in hindsight, considering

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Because he is absolutely insane in regards to the lengths he'll go to and that he's capable of for people around him, especially "his girls".

 

[FP00]

There's very few things I'd consider myself to be an expert in, but this is one of them. When I say we've considered what kind of ramifications even slight changes to the timeline would have, I'm not joking. Hell, my 'audition' for joining the team was to rewrite a key event from the comics with Laura as part of the team, but without having her replace someone else wholesale, so we've definitely got one eye on imagining what having characters like her on the team will change. And there's some stuff coming up in later years that I promise no one will see coming, one event in particular that I genuinely wish I could spoil in advance that I'm really proud of. But between the pair of us, Shiny and myself have gone to scary levels of depth in working out how and where things will go.

I've been reading up on Uncanny X-men (not the spinoffs and big event comics) and I'm up to issue 200, and I can already see how things could massively change with certain characters being part of the X-Men this early or just having Null around. Hearing about the amount of work you put in to figure out how things could change makes me very excited to see what you have planned. Also slightly terrified about the amount of hours it took to figure out each potential change.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Jubilee who's parents were/are chinese immigrants, Kwannon who is japanese, Moonstar who is native American

They're on the list for potential inclusion.

universal recogniseability

The reveal of Dazzler should show that we don't care about this.

TNH takes place around the Claremont era, hell, by all accounts Laura shouldnt be there

Additionally I believe that the Dev team has stated that Laura was an exception anyways.

By all sense and purpose neither should Cecillia Reyes, so they kind of already opened that can of worms with her and X-23. regarding staying "faithful" to the timeframe

We already had her art and some of her writing. Same with Rogue.

If we went with a hard reset instead, the initial line up would be Jean, Polaris, and Storm.

Also I've mentioned we're including plot and characters that were retconned into earlier bits. Like Charles knew Cecilia for awhile before she mad her appearance on the page.

Think of it like the Live Action One Piece show. Dozens of volumes in it was revealed that Luffy knew Usop's dad. In the live action they have Luffy basically go "Hey I knew your dad." when they meet because it's a weird detail to omit. They also did this with Bucky having known Shanks.

We're taking the same approach.

Major bottlenecks as far as I know are time and money for art.

This. Once 1.0 comes out, it should be the only thing slowing down dev time.

Unless we finally figure out a combat system after that point. I'd put forth a "Danger Room" option for people to experience past fights if they don't want to restart saves.

Unless if there is a limit less then the max people possible, it's hard for me to see how it won't turn into a harem functionally where you "catch them all", but we'll have to see.

The thing is that dating 15+ girls ain't gonna be easy. We're not going to make it easy. Primarily because the people who'd want all 15 girls are in the minority. At least going by data I've collected.

We've had several people mention they're going to friendzone the initial three girls to be monogamous with Kitty or Storm. In fact I'll hold a discord poll for it since it's been awhile and fresh data is always good to have.

he never really feels like a "perfect" character.

This is by design.

Even the "renegade" version of Null, with a generally more abrasive personality, still gravitates towards doing the most good he can, for the most people he can-

Bitter Null is bitter about his situation. He has no reason to hate the people that saved his life. Basic sympathy is one of the few universal personality traits we force on Null. The three girls are also in their own shitty situations.

I mean you have the option of saying you regret not killing the mob if you chose the hulk out option.

We have plans for if that line ever does get crossed.

 

[Hobocop Harrier du bois]

The thing is that dating 15+ girls ain't gonna be easy. We're not going to make it easy. Primarily because the people who'd want all 15 girls are in the minority. At least going by data I've collected.

>Dating 15+ girls ain't gonna be easy.
A challenge for a gooner? There's no such thing.

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Lorewise though if Null copies multiple man's powers, each girl can have their own personal null and live happily ever after or have a giant orgy.

 

[apyrvalg]

In fact I'll hold a discord poll for it since it's been awhile and fresh data is always good to have.

I checked the poll and now I have question - what if I don't know nothing about potential waifu candidates and just can't make an informed decision?
How should I answer that question about "true save"? Or maybe I am misunderstood meaning of the poll and it was all about choosing between "one waifu" and "poly" playstyles?

 

[Hazeti]

The thing is that dating 15+ girls ain't gonna be easy. We're not going to make it easy. Primarily because the people who'd want all 15 girls are in the minority.

As a soulsborne masochist i accept the challenge

 

[eatgreencrayons]

The thing is that dating 15+ girls ain't gonna be easy.

 

[NexivSelecaf]

The thing is that dating 15+ girls ain't gonna be easy. We're not going to make it easy. Primarily because the people who'd want all 15 girls are in the minority.

And I am proudly within that

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. Forcing the harem is my most disliked thing about [the original versions of] Persona 3.

As a soulsborne masochist i accept the challenge

Drop your shield.

 

[Hazeti]

Drop your shield.

Shields are for pussies , i am a strength main , unga bunga my way through anything

 

[\\_Tremolo_//]

The thing is that dating 15+ girls ain't gonna be easy. We're not going to make it easy. Primarily because the people who'd want all 15 girls are in the minority. At least going by data I've collected.

 

[JustCallMeSteve]

Shields are for pussies , i am a strength main , unga bunga my way through anything

I did that for a run through Elden Ring, just full strength with the Brick Hammer and the right ashes for the highest str scaling in the game and just smack enemies in the face.

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I mean, Null at least has the healing factor to help with that somewhat. Presumably future potential abilities may also help.

 

[apyrvalg]

The thing is that dating 15+ girls ain't gonna be easy. We're not going to make it easy. Primarily because the people who'd want all 15 girls are in the minority. At least going by data I've collected.

Are you sure about them being minority?

 

[texxy]

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And thus, Frost's scheme is revealed. X-Men cant oppose her and Hellfires plans, if half of their team is down, being shagged by the newbie.