Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.8c] [Ron Chon]

[NexivSelecaf]

The_Man_With_No_Name: I'd edit out that second part for fear of being too leading.

Let them learn on their own.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

But then they might be back with the fallout and we'll never hear the end of it again.
But alright.

 

[NexivSelecaf]

The_Man_With_No_Name: At this point, I'm of the mind of leaving people to their own devices and not being a strategy guide.

Also, Boots is showing up more often. Let him deal with it.

 

[UnsavouryPursuits]

I like the Brood Saga in the comics, because you get some fantastic space world art from both Dave Cockrum and Paul Smith and I love the idea of the X-Men desperately fighting for survival against body horror parasite xenos thousands of light years from home -- but I'm also completely fine with it not happening in the game. It'd be borderline impossible to make any of that storyline playable or compelling in a VN format, and I don't think you could fit any sex in there, either.

It sounds like it'll happen, but Null will be doing something else at the same time.

Maybe he'll be helping out with the New Mutants? They're introduced at the same time.

Magik's introductory comic book is also literally the preceding issue before the saga. Null having to specifically look after the newly freed Magik, while Piotr has to deal with Shi'ar politics with the rest of the X-Men is also a possibility and is something Piotr would ask of Null.

That's a great shout. Wouldn't be surprised if that's the plan.

 

[freddygonzo]

I haven't progressed the story yet because I was trying to finish all the objectives, gain high trust and go for polyamory.

Do you guys think is a bad idea to do it now? Should I progress the story and gain trust with them in the meantime?

You can check out my mod that adds some additional guides in the database.
There is really no benefit from doing everything, like all the relationship quests, already during first fall season, as you can only get your first stamina boost during the next winter season which gives you much more time during a day.
The events rather start from winter to spring on to better dialogue-support friendships and partnerships, so winter is a great season to do dates, attend parties for plenty friendship points, and gather money ($780-2849) for the -50% winter sale during the winter season finale.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

You can check out my mod that adds some additional guides in the database.
There is really no benefit from doing everything, like all the relationship quests, already during first fall season, as you can only get your first stamina boost during the next winter season which gives you much more time during a day.
The events rather start from winter to spring on to better dialogue-support friendships and partnerships, so winter is a great season to do dates, attend parties for plenty friendship points, and gather money ($780-2849) for the -50% winter sale during the winter season finale.

Solution for Fall: Just do more days.

Pacing for side things in this game doesn't really matter. Juggernautwill show up whenever you feel like it.

 

[freddygonzo]

Solution for Fall: Just do more days.

What will only lure into wasting too many skill points into perks but not the more useful stamina ones that give much more XP and longer sex stamina in shorter time.
Best argument for winter with stamina boost: drink to reset a time unit during a daily phase. Useful to work, reset, and attend class in the morning. Totally free.
You also can't really beat not only Laura and Jean, but also Scott and Piotr for the leaderboards that well without more stamina within 14 days if you aim for more achievement point rewards for additional skill points, as long as you don't constantly send them away from the danger and class room, what obivously doesn't work for Scott and Piotr.
Sooner or later, you max out the girls' Love and Trust stats anyway, but why wasting so many point rewards that the events provide.
Anyway, as long as someone doesn't finish the three dates with each girl, it's a still a safe way to reach the polyamory requirement of 250/600 without any catfight.

PS: I love Winter!

 

[freddygonzo]

Guide: how to A+ your girls

The bare minimum of unique actions you have to do for an A+ score is 6 while trying to make them orgasm 5 times, as this is their beneficial orgasm maximum as well.
You can compensate one unique action for a Null orgasm as long as you reach 5 girl orgasms. As calculation example:
With only a single girl orgasm, Null would have to orgasm 4 times and do 50 unique actions to reach the A+ score. The girls’ orgasms thus weigh a lot in this score.

Instead of spamming every single action in every pose, you could start by going through all the clothed options first, in another session right afterwards going through the same actions but nude from the start. As long as you roughly memorize which actions you have already done with the same girl, you could repeat that about up to half a dozen times even if Null never busts a nut or already ran out of juice.
The girls can orgasm as many times as you want them and there is also no time and action limit. The unique actions are reset in the next phase of the day.

You still have to pleasure them enough for orgasms what could be troublesome if their Love/Trust stats aren’t high enough yet as these slowly unlock more actions.
The girls’ orgasm bar starts to slowly fill from Fondle her breasts (nude) on what requires L200/T250. Better wait until 250/350 for Rub her pussy though if you don’t want to click/wait forever, as kissing and touching thighs alone won’t bring any satisfying results.
If you aim for the Bronze+ V Card achievement, then the Dildo Pussy (700/700) and Sex (750/750) actions can/may not be performed.
The quickest way for a girl orgasm without stamina is following combination in Leaning Back (T150), Missionary (T500), or Doggy (T600) pose:
- Feel herself up (350/350)
- Touch herself (500/500) or much better Use a Vibrator (self) (500/500)
- Finger her pussy (350/500)
- Finger (600/600) or better Dildo (800/800) her ass
Without restrictions, replace Finger her pussy with Sex in Missionary or Doggy pose for even more satisfaction, but this only lasts until Null runs out of stamina.

Nevertheless don’t let all this number crunching stop you from having fun, so do whatever you like, as performing lousy has no real negative impact at all.
The most important lesson here is that you should stop thinking about the numbers of unique actions and rather focus on bringing the girls to their deserved orgasms.
It's still recommended to go through every action once on each companion as some might unlock other events.
For the hidden Eros of the Mansion achievement, you need to score A+ 10 times but not in a row.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Sorry FacelessVixen. You wanted me to omit the details so I don't lead experiences too much. But well, others had other ideas.

What will only lure into wasting too many skill points into perks but not the more useful stamina ones that give much more XP and longer sex stamina in shorter time.
Best argument for winter with stamina boost: drink to reset a time unit during a daily phase. Useful to work, reset, and attend class in the morning. Totally free.
You also can't really beat not only Laura and Jean, but also Scott and Piotr for the leaderboards that well without more stamina within 14 days if you aim for more achievement point rewards for additional skill points, as long as you don't constantly send them away from the danger and class room, what obivously doesn't work for Scott and Piotr.
Sooner or later, you max out the girls' Love and Trust stats anyway, but why wasting so many point rewards that the events provide.
Anyway, as long as someone doesn't finish the three dates with each girl, it's a still a safe way to reach the polyamory requirement of 250/600 without any catfight.

This is cool and all but not really useful unless if you are going to guide beat for beat through the perfect min-max. But then you will need to mention things like picking which season to get a 4.0 and which to skip classes for a week. You can get 55 of the 75 achievements without really min-maxing much. But not to say that your min-maxing isn't helpful though if that's what someone is looking for.
I don't think that's what the guy was looking for though. Just wanting to know if early Fall was viable I think.
If you want to do Fall things early just take the early bird and night owl and it works as an improvised stamina.

Some want to start a relationship and get the sex earlier. And I know that means you forfeit the V-card and the "I studied the blade" achievement but it's better to play to get the experience you want at the time you want.

I mentioned it to someone else here but I really really don't like how "new game +" like the whole achievement system they added makes things.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Guide: how to A+ your girls

The bare minimum of unique actions you have to do for an A+ score is 6 while trying to make them orgasm 5 times, as this is their beneficial orgasm maximum as well.
You can compensate one unique action for a Null orgasm as long as you reach 5 girl orgasms. As calculation example:
With only a single girl orgasm, Null would have to orgasm 4 times and do 50 unique actions to reach the A+ score. The girls’ orgasms thus weigh a lot in this score.

Instead of spamming every single action in every pose, you could start by going through all the clothed options first, in another session right afterwards going through the same actions but nude from the start. As long as you roughly memorize which actions you have already done with the same girl, you could repeat that about up to half a dozen times even if Null never busts a nut or already ran out of juice.
The girls can orgasm as many times as you want them and there is also no time and action limit. The unique actions are reset in the next phase of the day.

You still have to pleasure them enough for orgasms what could be troublesome if their Love/Trust stats aren’t high enough yet as these slowly unlock more actions.
The girls’ orgasm bar starts to slowly fill from Fondle her breasts (nude) on what requires L200/T250. Better wait until 250/350 for Rub her pussy though if you don’t want to click/wait forever, as kissing and touching thighs alone won’t bring any satisfying results.
If you aim for the Bronze+ V Card achievement, then the Dildo Pussy (700/700) and Sex (750/750) actions can/may not be performed.
The quickest way for a girl orgasm without stamina is following combination in Leaning Back (T150), Missionary (T500), or Doggy (T600) pose:
- Feel herself up (350/350)
- Touch herself (500/500) or much better Use a Vibrator (self) (500/500)
- Finger her pussy (350/500)
- Finger (600/600) or better Dildo (800/800) her ass
Without restrictions, replace Finger her pussy with Sex in Missionary or Doggy pose for even more satisfaction, but this only lasts until Null runs out of stamina.

Nevertheless don’t let all this number crunching stop you from having fun, so do whatever you like, as performing lousy has no real negative impact at all.
For the hidden Eros of the Mansion achievement, you need to score A+ 10 times but not in a row.

By the way if we are talking shop on the nitty gritty, do you know what the fail rate or mechanism is for Laura rejecting to do pool activities early on?

 

[freddygonzo]

Sorry FacelessVixen. You wanted me to omit the details so I don't lead experiences too much. But well, others had other ideas.

This is cool and all but not really useful unless if you are going to guide everyone beat for beat through the perfect min-max. But then you will need to mention things like picking which season to get a 4.0 and which to skip classes for a week. Which is also not really necessary since you can get 55 of the 75 achievements without really min-maxing much. But not to say that your min-maxing isn't helpful though if that's what someone is looking for.
If you want to do Fall things early just take the early bird and night owl and it works as an improvised stamina.

Some want to start a relationship and get the sex earlier. And I know that means you forfeit the V-card and the "I studied the blade" achievement but it's better to play to get the experience you want at the time you want.

I mentioned it to someone else here but I really really don't like how "new game +" like the whole achievement system they added makes things.

I did my restart with v0.8b1 mainly for the achievement points and to check out what is how exactly possible.
I spent enough time in fall to only accomplish the 4.0 goal for Xavier's List, and I barely made it as baseball dude thanks to also picking the Night Owl perk in the last few days until the 14 days were over.
Sadly, the long infirmary rest times during events fast-forward so many game days that the 4.0 score is busted this way during winter-spring:
Player.History.update("lost_perfect_GPA")
At least I think this keyword here is responsible later to not obtain the Xavier's List achievement when you enter chapter 2.

The V Card achievement(s) isn't/aren't really that terrible either. You basically only miss out the first_sex event, but you can still fool around with the ladies using all the other actions except Dildo Pussy (+self) and Sex. That's really not much of a buzzkill. We'll have to see later with more introduced events, like threesomes, how this plays out.

One thing is for sure: I'm also going to enjoy this game a lot more later when I restart it again with that extra achievement (skill) point reserve without paying attention to any of these silly achievements.
Xavier's List will be rather a goal for chapter 2 but let's see.
I already reached 710 achievement points without leaderboard rewards and without even hitting level 10. I only still miss/want to do the A+ achievement.
Gosh, thanks to wasting so many skill points on perks, the level progression is still tad too slow for comfort with only stamina_boost1.

By the way if we are talking shop on the nitty gritty, do you know what the fail rate or mechanism is for Laura rejecting to do pool activities early on?

Can't say exactly at moment, but it's possible if together with others that Laura might lack enough friendship tier very early as she is blocked to gain any points until you have that talk about friendship and send her to Rogue. Afterwards, Laura and Rogue become Friends automatically (yeah, Rogue is already Friends to Laura from start but ignore that strange issue).

talk_late: 0/75 that is mainly studying at night or simply come over at night time.
temporary_follow: 0/100
follow: 0/200
sleepover: 0/150 (Rogue 175) but with more than one girl at same time only works with everyone as partners!
shirk_responsibilities: 0/300 (Jean 400). This is otherwise the major blockade preventing activities with Null!

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

One thing is for sure: I'm also going to enjoy this game a lot more later when I restart it again with that extra achievement (skill) point reserve without paying attention to any of these silly achievements.

I'm just really not a fan of the achievement system with the whole extra point rewards. Also the auto point gain on making up a save and giving more points even if you don't want an edge.

Can't say exactly at moment, but it's possible if together with others that Laura might lack enough friendship tier very early as she is blocked to gain any points until you have that talk about friendship and send her to Rogue. Afterwards, Laura and Rogue become Friends automatically (yeah, Rogue is already Friends to Laura from start but ignore that strange issue).

talk_late: 0/75
temporary_follow: 0/100
follow: 0/200
sleepover: 0/150 (Rogue 175) but with more than one girl at same time only works with everyone as partners!
shirk_responsibilities: 0/300 (Jean 400). This is the major blocker preventing activities with Null!

I was just trying to see if there is a percent chance of her rejecting( I think she says yes sometimes. I don't remember) and also Jean even at neutral says yes If I remember right but Laura doesn't. So I was seeing if there was a specific parameter for her.

Could be wrong. I haven't started a new save in quite a while so I don't remember.

 

[freddygonzo]

I'm just really not a fan of the achievement system with the whole extra point rewards. Also the auto point gain on making up a save and giving more points even if you don't want an edge.

I was just trying to see if there is a percent chance of her rejecting( I think she says yes sometimes. I don't remember) and also Jean even at neutral says yes If I remember right but Laura doesn't. So I was seeing if there was specific parameter for her.

Could be wrong. I haven't started a new save in quite a while so I don't remember.

I haven't found anything relating to swimming but checking for the dating approval value there (125/125).
I'm not even sure the shame check is properly done there as I had during a test Laura only 336 while the swimsuit has 350. She still was up for a swim though.

There are sometimes checks like following one when texting someone to cover over or do whatever:
elif time_index not in temp_Characters[0].schedule or (approval_check(temp_Characters[0], threshold = "shirk_responsibilities")):
Checking for the schedule activities of characters what they are suppose to do.
Ditching that if you have reached the shirk_responsibilities approval rating of 0/300 or 400.
If not then it goes on with follow (constantly) on 0/200. If stats are still not enough then:
elif approval_check(temp_Characters[0], threshold = "temporary_follow") and renpy.random.random() > 0.5:
Lastly, there is a 50% chance to accept or not.
At least during summer with maxed stats, I can't remember anymore that someone has denied any activity, especially if they became your partners, although accepting dates could still be randomly for the day.

 

[FP00]

That's a great shout. Wouldn't be surprised if that's the plan.

It could also set up some good character moments with Null, since you could write Null kicking himself for being completely unaware that his friends were in mortal danger, and dealing with the trauma the X-Men went through.

Of course, this all depends on how the writers want to handle this.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

It could also set up some good character moments with Null, since you could write Null kicking himself for being completely unaware that his friends were in mortal danger, and dealing with the trauma the X-Men went through.

Of course, this all depends on how the writers want to handle this.

Hmmm. Help my friends or hang out with Magik.

They got this.
Just a few space bird people.

 

[Karmadive]

I tend to max out all the girls as quickly as possible despite the fact it's easier later on. At bare minimum I end up maxing out Rogue and unlocking poly for Jean and Laura before moving on to next season.

Personally I'll probably mod my game to ignore friendship status for dating the other girls and leave that for interactions and later on threesomes for that stat. Having to grind out two separate things as well as one of them having a chance to fail and have the girl bail on the interaction slowing it down even more is a bit much for me personally. Especially later on when we have even more Love interests.

I also feel there is more potential for fun interactions with the girls if they aren't friends, maybe even rivals as it opens up more ideas for little interactions like maybe one love interest trying to interrupt you on a date with another she is a rival with, etc. tho that could also be incorporated into the more dominant quirked Love interests.


Yeah the achievement store is kinda meh. I only unlock the Trust and Love gains and ignore it, and I only do that because I feel like I'm not making progress like I should if I don't have those. I'd personally would like it if it didn't affect game play and instead only unlocked cosmetic things like Phone backgrounds/ringtones and player looks, Maybe some cosmetics for Null's Room.

 

[freddygonzo]

I'd personally would like it if it didn't affect game play and instead only unlocked cosmetic things like Phone backgrounds/ringtones and player looks, Maybe some cosmetics for Null's Room.

That was my original thought in the past too that this shop will rather offer cosmetic stuff.
Gaining additional skill points, +20% L/T gain and mo money for whatever else will be introduced, has a huge impact. Well, this extra is still useful for people who tend to start over all the time, less so for casual one-playthrough players.
If someone doesn't bother about the goals, you can still earn a-points infinitely by winning leaderboard rankings, what I think was a good design decision to motivate to play at least 14 game days per season.
I'd still like to obtain all the mutant abilities for the fun but 19 skill points alone (+16 perks) so far is already quite a sum to obtain. Oberserving the slow XP gain with only stamina-boost1, I doubt I will ever reach level 19+ until chapter 5. You really need to boost stamina more to further increase the XP gain. The achievement extra skill points will come handy to save real time grinds.
It depends on further added activities how much game time you like to spend in each season before it's getting boring without unique events. More girls per season will surely alone increase the fun time. Racing through seasons in like four days is certainly no good way to earn levels/skill points and have fun in the long run.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

I also feel there is more potential for fun interactions with the girls if they aren't friends, maybe even rivals as it opens up more ideas for little interactions like maybe one love interest trying to interrupt you on a date with another she is a rival with, etc. tho that could also be incorporated into the more dominant quirked Love interests.

Emma will be fun. I'm all in for hoping she will start as enemy status with a few girls and rivals with the rest.

Yeah the achievement store is kinda meh. I only unlock the Trust and Love gains and ignore it, and I only do that because I feel like I'm not making progress like I should if I don't have those. I'd personally would like it if it didn't affect game play and instead only unlocked cosmetic things like Phone backgrounds/ringtones and player looks, Maybe some cosmetics for Null's Room.

Yeah. I'm thinking about just cheating to unlock all achievements so that on subsequent saves I get the points. Not ideal but I really hate that it gives points and pushes to reward you to play how you truly want only on repeat runs

 

[Whyaduck]

I know this is a thinly veiled attempt at getting more Jean lookalikes.

Ya'll are worse than the people who beg for saberfaces in the Fate franchise.

Edit: This is intended to be taken as friendly ribbing

I’m pretty sure Sara has brown hair. So, it’s TOTALLY DIFFERENT. ;-)

 

[freddygonzo]

With stamina_boost1 I really have trouble to reach higher combat ratings (danger room level). I'm rather stuck at 2.25 or so while also maintaining the 4.0 GPA.
Not that it really matters that much gameplaywise, but if the game rewards me with neat narratives and comments of the girls, then here is another motivation to quickly boost stamina to at least the second stamina upgrade and obtain the Healthy Diet perk.
Ororo favors_academic, Kitty maybe too but seems to like artsy stuff as well, Dazzler surely social/arts. Emma someday maybe athletic but art/social possibly too. Increasing this combat rating gives a nice love/trust/desire boost for favors_athletic like Laura so far, so can't hurt to reach at least 5.0 for a x1.4 modifier and the best narratives/comments so far.

Null with art scholarship could really need more love, as maximizing the social scores still seems too easy. Special events with Dazzler is one idea. Rogue has one special art-dialogue too so far, but there should be more.

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There is no final decision if rather music or visual arts yet, but wouldn't mind if that stays flexible for whatever future favors_social companion or even buddy.
Let's see at first what the futher locations will bring as entertainment in the next game versions.