Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.8c] [Ron Chon]

[ShinyBoots1993]

once the results are finalised.

They are.

By the way - so poll is closed for good now?

Yes.

Would you be kind enough to answer my questions from before(1, 2), monsieur Boots?

I noticed the flaw in both of those questions and decided to shut it down since it'd been up for enough time. The data is slightly tainted and not perfectly representative of everything but it tells enough.

The fact that we have a noteworthy amount of non-straight males and non-males period playing the game as it is, is indication that there is a market viability for LGBT and female Null options.

 

[salscou]

The fact that we have a noteworthy amount of non-straight males and non-males period playing the game as it is, is indication that there is a market viability for LGBT and female Null options.

Shinny, it was a 9% of bisexuals, with the rest being so minor they didnt even have numeric representation on the graph.
Focus on what you have right now, the broader market approach has never once worked, plus youve said it before, a female null would take rewriting the game and whole new art assets, that would be shooting yourselves in the foot if you think people would be fine with 2 extra years of development for something not even a quarter of the games public would be into.

 

[apyrvalg]

They are.


Yes.


I noticed the flaw in both of those questions and decided to shut it down since it'd been up for enough time. The data is slightly tainted and not perfectly representative of everything but it tells enough.

The fact that we have a noteworthy amount of non-straight males and non-males period playing the game as it is, is indication that there is a market viability for LGBT and female Null options.

Okay, thanks for answering.
I still have questions, but I'm in desperate need of sleep so I'll ask them tomorrow.
*checks clock*
I'll ask them much later today.

 

[cannavaro99]

Can I suggest this pose for Emma ShinyBoots1993 ?
Pictured: Jo Guest, circa 1990

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Shinny, it was a 9% of bisexuals, with the rest being so minor they didnt even have numeric representation on the graph.
Focus on what you have right now, the broader market approach has never once worked, plus youve said it before, a female null would take rewriting the game and whole new art assets, that would be shooting yourselves in the foot if you think people would be fine with 2 extra years of development for something not even a quarter of the games public would be into.

First off I can assure you that we would not be acting on this data anytime soon. I have indeed said before that including a female Null would add to the dev time.

Secondly, the data was 10.4% bisexuals. Considering the entirety of our LGBT community adds up to 16.7%.

Again, work would have to wait until development has come further along. Love and Sex: Second Base learned this the hard way but they did get to a point where enough male MC content was completed to add female MC content and there's been no slow down since they began.

However I'll add that the 16.7% of individuals play in spite of not matching their sexual identity. That percentage would most certainly rise if the option was truly there.

A rule of statistics is that you don't immediately act on them. They're information and you choose when and how to act on that information.

 

[pepplez]

The fact that we have a noteworthy amount of non-straight males and non-males period playing the game as it is, is indication that there is a market viability for LGBT and female Null options.

Are you serious? Does that indicate that these noteworthy amount of non straight males are spending a lot of money?

As a side note, are you aware that there are some people who were born in the wrong body and therefore identify as a woman? Ultimately, it's your decision, but in my opinion, you should first complete the games as promised and then offer the desired "noteworthy amount" as a DLC or an add-on at the end.

 

[salscou]

First off I can assure you that we would not be acting on this data anytime soon. I have indeed said before that including a female Null would add to the dev time.

Secondly, the data was 10.4% bisexuals. Considering the entirety of our LGBT community adds up to 16.7%.

Again, work would have to wait until development has come further along. Love and Sex: Second Base learned this the hard way but they did get to a point where enough male MC content was completed to add female MC content and there's been no slow down since they began.

However I'll add that the 16.7% of individual play in spite of not matching their sexual identity. That percentage would most certainly rise if the option was truly there.

A rule of statistics is that you don't immediately act on them. They're information and you choose when and how to act on that information.

Trust me, the moment you guys start shifting away from the main public of the game without the game being finished, its the day people will jump ship.
You can do whatever you all want with the game once the main thing is over, but shifting target demographic will only bring you spite of the main target demographic as this will be seen as yet another case of people chasing the illusionary broader public and letting their core audience that supported it down.

It did not work for Disney, it did not work for Marvel, it hasnt worked in any damn IP that has tried it, and it sure as hell wouldnt work here, it is not a matter of there being "enough content", its a finished product or it doesnt work.

Besides, youd need to get a whole different cast of characters, unless the comic accurate sexual orientation, wich i respect and have always saw as a positive, only works one way.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Are you serious? Does that indicate that these noteworthy amount of non straight males are spending a lot of money?

As a side note, are you aware that there are some people who were born in the wrong body and therefore identify as a woman? Ultimately, it's your decision, but in my opinion, you should first complete the games as promised and then offer the desired "noteworthy amount" as a DLC or an add-on at the end.

For the purpose of the statistics, potential trans males attracted exclusively to women were counted as straight males. Opinions on gender presentation aside, their play habits align.

As for "spending a lot of money" I haven't done a break down on our patrons who identify as LGBT but that may be a future poll if the need is felt.

As I stated in clear language, and I'll do so again. We have no plans on acting on this data anytime soon.

 

[micekick]

So here's some analytics of our community!

Player Age: 25-34 49%

Gender Identity: Male 96%

Sexuality: Heterosexual 82%

Ethnic / Cultural Background: Western European 51%
(There is room for error as I did not format this category the best)

Region of Residence: North America 48%

Most Enjoyed Relationship Content: Deep emotional storytelling 38% and Slow-burn relationships 33%

Most comfortable theme. Romantic Tension! 86%

How you play Null: Play a version of myself 42%

Most interested characters: Canon characters 89% Mutant characters 77%

Most helpful feature: Clear dialogue choices 80%

Do not put this in the all in one as this can easily become outdated.

how many respondants?

 

[Hazeti]

RonChon has Kathleen Kennedy somehow managed to track you down and infiltrate your work office after she quit Lucas Films and most importantly is she holding you hostage and demanding that you do this to your game

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As for some of the people complaining about Laura's ass , that was never her thing , it's Rogue's and besides Laura doesn't need a fat ass , she is already hot and cute at the same time

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[salscou]

RonChon has Kathleen Kennedy somehow managed to track you down and infiltrate your work office after she quit Lucas Films and most importantly is she holding you hostage and demanding that you do this to your game

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As for some of the people complaining about Laura's ass , that was never her thing , it's Rogue's and besides Laura doesn't need a fat ass , she is already hot and cute at the same time

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Oh my god...the wicked witch is trully seeking to ruin ever little crevice of nerd enjoyement.

 

[Tommy7358]

They are.

I noticed the flaw in both of those questions and decided to shut it down since it'd been up for enough time. The data is slightly tainted and not perfectly representative of everything but it tells enough.

So... I probably should refrain from adding these statistics to the All-In-One Post, at least this time right? Since it isn't strictly related to common gameplay questions and info people have about TNH plus you're saying the data is slightly tainted anyway.

 

[NexivSelecaf]

RonChon has Kathleen Kennedy somehow managed to track you down and infiltrate your work office after she quit Lucas Films and most importantly is she holding you hostage and demanding that you do this to your game

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The main form of my destructor is still Beau Demayo. ...Just saying.

Fuckin' hate that guy.

 

[Azrayel]

Love and Sex: Second Base learned this the hard way but they did get to a point where enough male MC content was completed to add female MC content and there's been no slow down since they began.

Great pull, I spoke to the dev working on the game a few weeks ago, he was seeking writers, and I wanted to apply. Their choice to stick with the male story, then add on the female MC stuff, was a good decision. I'm sure you guys will plan ahead in the coding and nail that road when you get to it. I believe they're also making 2 more spin-offs, one of which is more interactive and is basically the same game but in 3D, and the other is a black MC (the boss of the male MC). I probably won't be playing the second one (feels very NTRy), but I'm down to play the 3D game.

 

[DarkLurker12]

Maybe I missed something but how would TNH getting expanded with more content for clearly interested demographics, at no loss of content for the current playerbase, be a bad thing?

This would lead to better interactions with the male X-Men, so the guys hangouts won't need Laura in the shadows to keep it engaging. It's not like you'd be forced to romance them, same as you're not forced to romance the neurotic incestplay fanatic. And we know the writers for this game are quality, so all the new interactability would only be adding depth at no loss to quality. As it would be later down the line when this game is (hopefully) making mad bank on Patreon and can easily hire enough staff for it there would be no drop in update speed either.

The only issue I could imagine would be file size, an issue I already expected with the 15 LI end game, but I'm guessing the devs already got plans on how to solve that.

 

[salscou]

Maybe I missed something but how would TNH getting expanded with more content for clearly interested demographics, at no loss of content for the current playerbase, be a bad thing?

There is a loss at the core demographic and you know it, the dev time and money invested on that would eat away at the development of the game as it was sold.
I support them on patreon, and i promise you i would question that if suddenly instead of getting more art and content for the girls i would have to found content that neither me nor the main demographic playing this have no interest on.
If they want to do it after the game has been fully developed, then sure, they are free to do so, but not while we have been waiting patiently all this time.

also, this directly would contradict the cool factor of TNH sticking to the characters as written in the comics, because none of the male members of the team around in the game are gay.

 

[Azrayel]

There is a loss at the core demographic and you know it, the dev time and money invested on that would eat away at the development of the game as it was sold.
I support them on patreon, and i promise you i would question that if suddenly instead of getting more art and content for the girls i would have to found content that neither me nor the main demographic playing this have no interest on.
If they want to do it after the game has been fully developed, then sure, they are free to do so, but not while we have been waiting patiently all this time.

also, this directly would contradict the cool factor of TNH sticking to the characters as written in the comics, because none of the male members of the team around in the game are gay.

1. While I do agree, they should stick to their promises, I don't think Shiny was saying they planned to drop everything and restart shit just because of this new data. What I believe he was conveying is that there's a market here for even more people they haven't been catering to and will probably need to make a note of it just in case they want to do more later on (after the promises have been made).

2. If I'm being real, they're already doing a lot (breaking canon) to keep male characters away from the girls we're dating. So them either giving the dudes a female MC to ogle or turning them bi instead of us having to compete, only broadens the world that they're writing. AND here's the neat thing, this team also knows how to make shit optional, so if you don't want to have a gay experience, they know how to stop that from happening. Also, this just further makes everyone's Null different down the line. Shiny is merely explaining that the tools are there, and they are planning to use them whenever they can, so there's not a massive issue down the line when it's time to implement the post-game stuff. Just have faith in them...they've already created a new way of using Ren'py I'm sure they can manage to make everyone happy with time. None of this is happening now, they have their plate full as is.

 

[Hazeti]

There is a loss at the core demographic and you know it, the dev time and money invested on that would eat away at the development of the game as it was sold.
I support them on patreon, and i promise you i would question that if suddenly instead of getting more art and content for the girls i would have to found content that neither me nor the main demographic playing this have no interest on.
If they want to do it after the game has been fully developed, then sure, they are free to do so, but not while we have been waiting patiently all this time.

also, this directly would contradict the cool factor of TNH sticking to the characters as written in the comics, because none of the male members of the team around in the game are gay.

Fuck i reached my reaction limit for today , i agree with everything you said

 

[salscou]

If I'm being real, they're already doing a lot (breaking canon) to keep male characters away from the girls we're dating.

Thats not how it works.
If we arent getting Karma because shes a lesbian, wich i can totally agree with, you dont get to mindrape Kurt into being gay with Jeans gay beams, those are double standards.

 

[Azrayel]

Thats not how it works.
If we arent getting Karma because shes a lesbian, wich i can totally agree with, you dont get to mindrape Kurt into being gay with Jeans gay beams, those are double standards.

Sighhhh

Pick one, please: You either get a totally canon story (which we were never going to get), or you get a story where you get to fuck a bunch of the female X-Men/Marvel characters without consequences. You only get one pick.