The problem with how some games do optional trap content

[JoGio]

Not everyone is into trap content so it's understandable why developers often include an option to disable trap scenes or make the trap female.

However, a big part of the appeal for traps is that you don't know who it is until you get there. Summertime Saga, for example, teased that there's a trap character for a while before they included that content. When they finally did include the content, I was disappointed to get a pop up asking if I want to make the character a trap or female.

Talk about killing the suspense and immersion. Why not just put the option at the start of the game/update or in the settings menu?

It's a great game but that was really disappointing. I played another game today and found the same thing done by that developer.

Any other trap fans bothered by this or is it just me?

 

[Deleted member 3145675]

Hi,
Considering the important number of players "offended" by "enter anything you may consider offensive" - Game Devs will probably more and more use that policy.

Soon, when Worn* arrives on your screen you'll have to click at least 7 times to confirm that you really want to see something sexual that may include you viewing a collection of pixels that may or may not look like a dick.
(and that that dick won't be neither yours nor the MC's.)

those steps that all Game Devs will have to implement in order for players not to be offended will include the obligation for you (as MC) to give:

- a credit card number
- a landline telephone number
- an active email address
- a mobile phone number
- your actual name and physical address
- name and DoB of your parents and grand-parents
- a genealogical tree up to 1642
- several samples of bodily fluids
- a will of right with end of life decision
- a pact signed with your blood (don't be scared it's just like your credit card number we won't use it)

* Worn= Woke Porn (I thought that Poke was not good enough - Porn Woke)

At that point all people still claiming to be offended will receive a FedEX mail confirming that their Name Change has been granted and that they now are legally known as: Sarah Connor
(1 sec the door bell is ringing)
...

 

[fitgirlbestgirl]

Summertime Saga, for example, teased that there's a trap character for a while before they included that content. When they finally did include the content, I was disappointed to get a pop up asking if I want to make the character a trap or female.

That whole sequence was just weird and cringy, but I guess what can you expect from babby's first adult sandbox? First they have dialogue checks where you have to basically say that you might be bisexual, because traps are gay, amirite? Then they have the dumb popup so the normies have another chance to quit out of this degeneracy and then, if you pick the option for her to be female her entire backstory doesn't make sense anymore and the reason she's afraid for you to see her naked is because she has a scar on her belly. Right.

Either put a trans character in your game and let me decide through in-game decisions if I want to fuck her or don't put a trans character in your game. This shit is embarrassing.

 

[DawnCry]

To be fair this is something I tend to critic on a global scale, those "options" are stupid at the place they are, if you want a personalized experience then bring a list of fetishes to able/disable at minute one and let me have an engaging experience.

On this point I would like to cite "unholy arts", this game on that point does it better because you have to disable/activate some stuff before starting the game, this is the way I recommend compared to those bad options.

 

[baneini]

Summertime saga is extremely conservative to ensure they keep making money. Or maybe they just hate people who ask for content they dislike or wont fit their worldview.
It's very cheap to take some existing hetero scene, slap some male genitalia on it and call it something else. Pathetic really. It obviously has the effect of losing immersion since you no longer have a story that has credibility.

 

[Fzeren]

When people use the word 'trap' I never know if they're talking about a transwoman or a girly looking guy.

 

[262177]

When people use the word 'trap' I never know if they're talking about a transwoman or a girly looking guy.

Mind autocorrects trap to tomgirl and "reverse trap" to tomboy here.
Pretty sure JoGio is referring to the girly guy traps (e.g. Astolfo).

Not a fan of traps myself but since I enjoy "reverse" traps, can relate to the disappointment in the secret reveal being not so much of a reveal and you end up making a generic character. More choice is always good but as you said, this should be a new game selection, not a late game choice, especially when there are tons of dialogue involved.

The whole offensive mindset security check does end up ruining things for everyone as the audience may get offended by just about anything. Don't tell me you're not offended by handholding now, you freaks.

 

[FeropsisFenarue]

When people use the word 'trap' I never know if they're talking about a transwoman or a girly looking guy.

Its sad because trap had always meant a (gay)male who dressed/looked like a girl. Somehow the trans community caught wind of that, and assumed they meant the trap was 'identifying' as female (which is not true), and as such the term was an insult to the trans community, rather than the correct assessment that the male was tricking otherwise straight men into fucking them because they would become too aroused and 'fuck it'.

While I agree that if you called a transwoman a 'trap' it would be insulting, as they generally aren't trying to trick anyone, this is not the case of the term, and I wish they would have never tried to adopt it.

 

[JoGio]

Looks like I struck a nerve with a lot of people when it comes to SS. xD

Maybe Im using the word trap wrong but in my mind a trap can be a girly boy (tomgirl as some of you mentioned), or a trans/futa who doesn't reveal that fact until they basically get naked enough for the player to find out.

 

[Deleted member 3145675]

Hi,
after some quick searches on the internet about the "trap" topic and/or definition it would appear that this topic is literally a minefield.
Tho the "original" definition

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of the term implies that a "trap" is more akin to a "crossdresser" (Male may be gay but not always - dresses as woman just because why not and those panties do feel nice on my ass kinda thing)

- its perception as changed over time. (or it was hijacked depending on your point of view)

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so your => Any other trap fans bothered by this or is it just me?
could probably use some degree of precision regarding the exact nature of the population's group you are inquiring about and the true definition of the terms of your questioning.
(yeah I know Life gets more complicated every day)
(Imagine how Hamlet must have felt - poor Prince)

- what is a "trap" Admiral?
- what is a "fan"?
- how is a fan when hit by s...?
- what do you qualify as feeling "bothered"?
- what is "this"?
- is it? or is it not?
- just you? are you sure that you are a you?
- To be or not to be?

more aspirin in your vodka?

 

[gunderson]

I think I'd respect the idea and the fetish a lot more if it was all just classified as gay sex. Futas? Gay sex. Traps? Gay sex. Sex between two dickhavers in any other context? Always and forever gay sex, whatever they call themselves and however many boobs they have. Stop lying to yourselves. You might have to lie to people in your everyday life, and that sucks, but here on the Internet it's totally fine to enjoy gay porn if that's your thing. Embrace it.

As to why fans specifically want gay sex to be available in Summertime Saga (aside from it initially seeming to have been a joke)? No clue. I don't really see the cross-appeal between small-breasted artist dude who dresses (kinda) like a lady versus busty heterosexual incest. But then, that game has been straying further and further from its initial purpose ever since Patreon decided to be hyperprudes, so I don't really get who it's trying to sell to now. Everyone and no-one, I guess.

As for the dialogue box? Yeah, I'd rather it either come up in the beginning of the game or show up in an options screen, considering how much that storyline's content diverges from the appeal of the rest of the game. All told, I'd just rather there not be gay sex in the game at all, but since Eve gates other heterosexual content I'd be fine with just getting to those other characters and the game acknowledging that I'd be happier skipping over Eve's scenes. It's another one of those boring 'feelings' stories after all, like what most of Roxxy's storyline turned out to be. Doubt I'd miss much if I simply didn't see it.

 

[Fzeren]

I think I'd respect the idea and the fetish a lot more if it was all just classified as gay sex. Futas? Gay sex. Traps? Gay sex. Sex between two dickhavers in any other context? Always and forever gay sex, whatever they call themselves and however many boobs they have. Stop lying to yourselves. You might have to lie to people in your everyday life, and that sucks, but here on the Internet it's totally fine to enjoy gay porn if that's your thing. Embrace it.

Mods, ban this breeder for calling me a faggot pls

 

[gunderson]

As long as there are people who call themselves "non-binary lesbians," a category that fundamentally implies that the person who says they are a lesbian is also a woman because otherwise there would be no way to determine whether or not said person is a lesbian or straight or bi or whatever, I don't think there's any danger of my particular interpretation of sexual categories being the one that burns the world down.

 

[FeropsisFenarue]

I think I'd respect the idea and the fetish a lot more if it was all just classified as gay sex.

That's not the fetish though. Just like incest, the relationship between the parties, the body size/type and their perception of each other is important. No one is trying to say trap isn't gay, but there's more nuance to it. Should we boil Milf Incest down to 'straight sex'? No, we shouldn't, and we shouldn't just classify trap as 'just' gay because it was originally implied to be a very feminine young male tricking a straight male into having gay sex with them. Up and until the trap reveals themselves, the MC was intending to have straight (hetero) sex.

 

[gunderson]

Oh, I'm not trying to say it's not more specific than gay sex. I'm just clarifying that the sex involved is definitely gay and that people shouldn't hide from that broader fact (the futa fans, for example, seem to rather often try to avoid this [or at least in the past]) that it's gay sex. Absolutely most incest content is heterosexual sex content too. I also never understand, when it shows up, why there isn't the broader discussion of, "Wait, how DO the current fans feel about adding gay sex to this formerly heterosexual-only game?" rather than focusing on traps or futas or whatever (as though that's less gay somehow). After all, I don't think I'd ever demand that a gay-specific sex game add heterosexual sex. That would be weird and uncool.

 

[262177]

Not to try and derail the convo but... do "reverse" traps count as traps to you trap fans? I already know they don't have the same appeal from personal experience, this is why I'm asking. I'm sorry if I sound offensive here, genuinely curious.

(A female who acts like a guy, sounds like a guy, looks like a guy, dresses like a guy and no biological indication that she is a girl until her cover is blown.)

 

[desmosome]

Not to try and derail the convo but... do "reverse" traps count as traps to you trap fans? I already know they don't have the same appeal from personal experience, this is why I'm asking. I'm sorry if I sound offensive here, genuinely curious.

(A female who acts like a guy, sounds like a guy, looks like a guy, dresses like a guy and no biological indication that she is a girl until her cover is blown.)

In the context of a male player playing a male MC, "reverse trap" is totally different from trap. One is basically playing on the tomboy angle and +adding another chick to the harem after the reveal so to speak. The other is walking into ambiguous waters regarding gender identity. I wouldn't go as far as to say people into futas and traps are gay, but there is no denying that they fall closer to the middle of that gay/straight spectrum. Well, maybe there is an angle I am not seeing, but I can't think of a reason why adding a dick to a girl would make it hotter lol.

 

[262177]

Ah, I see. Sorry about this as well, forgot to mention this also was from a female player playing a female MC perspective, if that changes something. Can't really tell about the whole futa thing if we keep it to what the OP originally mentioned, that is, a player playing as someone who isn't what they clearly appear to be.

As for identification and gender identity, if examples help, the whole "female raised as a guy, convinced she is a guy" kind of thing (reverse-Bridget) in addition to the ones not even denying it, just stuck with the fact they look like a guy to pretty much anyone (reverse-Astolfo, for lack of a better example).

 

[desmosome]

Ah, I see. Sorry about this as well, forgot to mention this also was from a female player playing a female MC perspective, if that changes something. Can't really tell about the whole futa thing if we keep it to what the OP originally mentioned, that is, a player playing as someone who isn't what they clearly appear to be.

As for identification and gender identity, if examples help, the whole "female raised as a guy, convinced she is a guy" kind of thing (reverse-Bridget) in addition to the ones not even denying it, just stuck with the fact they look like a guy to pretty much anyone (reverse-Astolfo, for lack of a better example).

Ah, so if we reverse all the roles, then I guess we end up with female MC and a "dude" she falls for turns out to be a girl, and she is like fuck it, lets scissors!

So basically lesbian content... but does a story like this exist? It seems super rare.

 

[262177]

You got it, yeah. And yes, it is super rare, which is why I was curious about it in the first place. I'd also put this under lesbian content.

Mostly saw this in various non-H games, manga and anime but I'm striving hard to see if I find something like this myself, to the point of eventually writing it in Ren'py. (I suck at designing maps, so even if I'm making a battlefuck-styled game, it's likely to be a novel.)