The problem with how some games do optional trap content

[JoGio]

Not to try and derail the convo but... do "reverse" traps count as traps to you trap fans?

Intuitively, they would count as traps as well. However, when I see the "trap" tag I assume its a feminine male or a trans female character.

I like tomboys but I don't find reverse-traps appealing personally, though I can see how it would appeal to others.

 

[262177]

Thanks for the reply and input JoGio.

Oh, and don't worry if you see someone flipping in one of the game threads if you bring up those topics, it's not as sensitive as you'd think, and we all have our kinks and sexual orientation. The general chat section apparently tends to be a lot more chill and even willing to casually joke about it.

 

[JoGio]

I think I'd respect the idea and the fetish a lot more if it was all just classified as gay sex. Futas? Gay sex. Traps? Gay sex. Sex between two dickhavers in any other context? Always and forever gay sex, whatever they call themselves and however many boobs they have. Stop lying to yourselves. You might have to lie to people in your everyday life, and that sucks, but here on the Internet it's totally fine to enjoy gay porn if that's your thing. Embrace it.

Any sexual activity with a male trap character is gay. I think a lot of people don't use the gay tag with trans female characters because trans people want to be validated as part of the gender they chose rather than being stuck with their biological gender.

I sympathize with hetero people who have to deal with content they don't like because of inconsistencies and re-interpretations of language. It's hard to come up with a solution that doesn't bother either party, and since no one wants to compromise it'll continue to be a sticking point in the future.

 

[DawnCry]

Overall the only reason I don't classify be it futanaries or traps as gay is mainly because what is attractive of those characters is exactly the feminity, which deviates on what the gay stuff itself tends to be.

Now, don't take me wrong, I don't disagree that it has a tendency towards it but I believe what is more dominant is the feminity of said characters compared to the extra pack, it's kind of funny cause you have most of the times even on a trap a perfectly feminine body that if you take the dick away would be fuckable to totally heterosexual people.

To be fair I don't find futanaries or traps a turn on, albeit I'm really tolerant over it, perhaps it is cause one of the first adult games I played was corruption of champions and found the game overall likable.

But well... basically I just mean that for me a futanari or even a really feminine trap feels like it appeals more towards those that like females compared to those that likes males, albeit for heterosexual people that have 0 tolerance towards it will go about saying it's gay stuff and then the people that like gay stuff will say it is hetero stuff, I would say it's more on no man's land lol.

To be fair I don't truly care when it ends, I consider myself heterosexual even if I have tolerance for futanaries and similar stuff, in fact I believe that rather than sexual orientation it is more fetish based stuff those situations similar to those males that like females with a strap-on or stuff like that.

To end, people are weird as fk, I just find it more important to value things on a feminity/masculinity scale for sexuality then the rest are just their fetishes:

-Male attracted to masculinity -> gay
-Male attracted to feminity -> hetero
-Female attracted to masculinity -> hetero
-Female attracted to feminity -> lesbian

How tolerant you are within that stuff is your business and personal likes/dislikes, but that's about it.

 

[Fzeren]

To be fair I don't truly care when it ends, I consider myself heterosexual even if I have tolerance for futanaries and similar stuff, in fact I believe that rather than sexual orientation it is more fetish based stuff those situations similar to those males that like females with a strap-on or stuff like that.

I have a "fetish" for dick the same way you have a "fetish" for pussy.

But then you have cases, like OP, where the person is less interested in the dick itself and more interested in 'the surprise'. I suppose that would be more like a fetish.

 

[desmosome]

-Male attracted to masculinity -> gay
-Male attracted to feminity -> hetero
-Female attracted to masculinity -> hetero
-Female attracted to feminity -> lesbian

That's not really true. There are the bears and there are the twinks. And there are gay people attracted to both. It's not really about masculinity or feminity.

 

[DawnCry]

I have a "fetish" for dick the same way you have a "fetish" for pussy.

But then you have cases, like OP, where the person is less interested in the dick itself and more interested in 'the surprise'. I suppose that would be more like a fetish.

Meh the only thing I mean is that people are complex, in that example I was just trying to think about if it would be called gay that a pure woman used a strap-on on a guy, what I'm against is leaving stuff at "futanaries are gay" cause I don't feel the target public of futanaries is gay people, the thing is that I disagree that the dick stuff on a perfectly female body would automatically become gay, but that's about it.

That's not really true. There are the bears and there are the twinks. And there are gay people attracted to both. It's not really about masculinity or feminity.

Yeah I was overly simple on that, but I'm just saying on a general note, of course after that there are tendencies towards x or y, for example a gay person can like effeminate boys the same as hetero people can like tomgirls (masculine girls), I'm not entering that zone cause it complicates stuff more.

You can't say stuff that is true for 100% of the people of a group cause there will always be exceptions, tendencies and desviations.

Overall what I mean to say is just that I find weird saying that futanari is gay cause she has a dick when the character is a perfectly feminine body, I just don't feel the target of said character is gay people and in fact I believe that the majority wouldn't feel an interest towards futanaries.


All I mean to say is just that if you take a masculine boy and change the dick for a pussy I wouldn't find it heterosexual the same as I don't find a feminine girl with a dick homosexual (male pov on both cases). Hope I was clear enough, I'm not great at expressing myself on this specific topic (even more in english) but I'm just trying to add my personal thinking related to futanaries and traps.

 

[desmosome]

Overall what I mean to say is just that I find weird saying that futanari is gay cause she has a dick when the character is a perfectly feminine body, I just don't feel the target of said character is gay people and in fact I believe that the majority wouldn't feel an interest towards futanaries.

I also don't think the majority of futa fans are explicitly gay, but they got to have some disposition for it. If we go by the sexuality scale being a gradient, these people would fall somewhere in the middle.

There could be different camps in the futa fans too. I can see someone reasoning that they enjoy Futa MCs because they'd rather look at a sexy female body but still want to see bitches get fucked by a dick. Fair enough. The people who want their male MCs to fuck futa chicks though... that has to have some gay in there somewhere lol.

 

[JoGio]

I don't think I like traps because they're feminine per se, but it's close. I don't find busty women as attractive as the ones who are average to petite, and I don't find big muscular hairy males attractive compared to average or twinks.

I thought about this and my conclusion is that I think I like the idea of androgyny, regardless of the gender. I wouldn't want every characater to be androgynous since it would lose its appeal as a rare characteristic, but having one or two like that in a cast of characters is always a plus in my book.

 

[gunderson]

Any sexual activity with a male trap character is gay. I think a lot of people don't use the gay tag with trans female characters because trans people want to be validated as part of the gender they chose rather than being stuck with their biological gender.

I sympathize with hetero people who have to deal with content they don't like because of inconsistencies and re-interpretations of language. It's hard to come up with a solution that doesn't bother either party, and since no one wants to compromise it'll continue to be a sticking point in the future.

The trouble is that I'm not really talking about a language problem. I'm talking about people putting gay sex in games where it doesn't belong, and pretending like it fits because people call it by different names.

A trap, as far as sex with them is concerned, is still a dude. A futa, as far as sex with them is concerned, is still a dude. If the person having sex with them is also a dude, that's gay sex. Why are people trying to include that sex act in a heterosexual game? Again, for EXACTLY the same reason that a gay sex game shouldn't have to include heterosexual sex. There's absolutely room for gay sex in porn games, and there's room for gay sex in porn games initially developed to have both heterosexual and homosexual sex acts in them, but not in games initially developed as exclusively heterosexual porn games. At that point, it's just pandering to audiences with interests at cross-purposes with the game's main audience to try to scrape up a few more bucks. I don't think it's cool or progressive, just greedy.

 

[Carpe Stultus]

A futa has actually both penis and vagina. How is that gay?

 

[Fzeren]

The trouble is that I'm not really talking about a language problem. I'm talking about people putting gay sex in games where it doesn't belong, and pretending like it fits because people call it by different names.

A trap, as far as sex with them is concerned, is still a dude. A futa, as far as sex with them is concerned, is still a dude. If the person having sex with them is also a dude, that's gay sex. Why are people trying to include that sex act in a heterosexual game? Again, for EXACTLY the same reason that a gay sex game shouldn't have to include heterosexual sex. There's absolutely room for gay sex in porn games, and there's room for gay sex in porn games initially developed to have both heterosexual and homosexual sex acts in them, but not in games initially developed as exclusively heterosexual porn games. At that point, it's just pandering to audiences with interests at cross-purposes with the game's main audience to try to scrape up a few more bucks. I don't think it's cool or progressive, just greedy.

Did the developers decide it was a strictly heterosexual game, or did you?

You seem to be using futa and transwoman interchangably, and no, it would not be gay, because they're not men. I would not call it straight for a guy to have a dick in his mouth, however. Maybe it's not that black and white?

Most of the 'trap' content I've seen is not what I would label gay, and I say that as somebody who specifically looks for gay crossdressing content. Apart from the dick, they're usually indistinguishable from a girl, and I suspect the main target demographic are people who have no other interest in gay sex. They also tend to be drawn like children, what's up with that???

Edit: Tried to make it 8% less toxic.