RPGM The Stereotype That Only Girls Play Healers Isn’t True at All!!! [v2.4] [Headpat]

[StrikerFromPallet]

Yeah, I haven't really enjoyed the people coming out after every update or news post to incessantly complain about their personal issues with the game either, and I'm just a lurker. I can't imagine how it's been for Headpat.

So, I'd like to talk about a few things that I really like about this game so far, to try and help bring some positivity back.


Firstly, I'm surprised at how much I like the side girls in this game. Even if they only have one event each so far, I'm already loving Bea, Lucy, and Jam, and am very excited to see more of them down the line. I'll admit, I am hoping that we can see Lucy get truly fucked silly and submit in a future scene instead of power-bottoming like she does in her current scene, but I'm sure we'll get more from her in time. Regardless, again, I'm genuinely surprised on how hooked I got on those three, so kudos for that.

Yes, Pudding exists too. I just haven't really warmed up to her as much. But hey, everyone's gonna enjoy different things. And knowing Headpat, there's probably gonna be an event down the line that brings me around to the alchemist-fox.


Secondly, two of Luna's blowjob scenes were quite hot to me. That one where her body is unconsciously smitten with Raze's dick even as she denies it was very enjoyable. Not just the art, but genuinely great writing there. And the other one where she was sucking off that guy on the blogpost was also really good. Something about the pink collar and heart eyes, I think.


Speaking of the blogposts, the one where Luna is showing off her ass is quite nice. That combined with being able to see it in the aftermath of her dildo-gaming session was top-notch.


And finally, as others have mentioned, the pixel art really helped elevate the dungeon-midpoint scene. Great job there.

 

[MarkKZ]

I can't imagine how it's been for Headpat.

Oh come on dude, he's the guy who made a story about guy with a miserable life get lucky for once and get a fox wife only to be immediately cucked and fucking ran over by the same limo his wife's getting blacked in, i think he can handle some criticizm lol. Not to mention a lot of the people complaining here have some pretty valid stuff to say, the game's a mess, and it has nothing to do with it being unfinished either, at least some of it, like say the nonsensical map design that makes you walk way longer than you should with obstacle and event placing. And we KNOW he can do better from the previous game, which aside being incomplete, is still pretty great. This one i think is also pretty good aside horrid map design, event placement, and, well, lacking content due to being unfinished and all. I'm still wondering if maybe the bad map obstacle design is just to pad it out for now or not

 

[E358700]

Oh come on dude, he's the guy who made a story about guy with a miserable life get lucky for once and get a fox wife only to be immediately cucked and fucking ran over by the same limo his wife's getting blacked in, i think he can handle some criticizm lol. Not to mention a lot of the people complaining here have some pretty valid stuff to say, the game's a mess, and it has nothing to do with it being unfinished either, at least some of it, like say the nonsensical map design that makes you walk way longer than you should with obstacle and event placing. And we KNOW he can do better from the previous game, which aside being incomplete, is still pretty great. This one i think is also pretty good aside horrid map design, event placement, and, well, lacking content due to being unfinished and all. I'm still wondering if maybe the bad map obstacle design is just to pad it out for now or not

I've seen this argument several times, and I'm kinda curious; what "bad map obstacle design" are you referring to? I agree that the maps could probably be laid out better, and the event locations are way more spread out than in Sana's (which I don't have a problem with, personally), but other than the trees in the main part of town I myself can't think of any poorly placed map obstacles that actually get in the way of anything.

 

[MarkKZ]

I've seen this argument several times, and I'm kinda curious; what "bad map obstacle design" are you referring to? I agree that the maps could probably be laid out better, and the event locations are way more spread out than in Sana's (which I don't have a problem with, personally), but other than the trees in the main part of town I myself can't think of any poorly placed map obstacles that actually get in the way of anything.

The main area has - 1 fense from where you spawn barring you from the central road you need to go around (small), makes no sense to go around it every time you log in when you could literally go two squares to the side and to the goblin area or a few more up and to the bar tree area, instead you need to go around it every time. The path up and to the side themselves are good and snappy, so no issues there, just the bushes blocking you from the road are annoying. The way down to the alchemist house and guards is okay too, the problems start with the park where you go to the fishing bear and dungeon - a long tree line that blocks you from going in until you reach almost the bottom, then a river blocking you until you almost reach the fense, then another long tree line blocking you COMPLETELY so if you wanna visit the bear or Sana sleeping there on the random afk spawns she has from the central, let alone god forbid bath or dungeon area, you need to walk 2 screen worths for no reason, when you could just hop the fense with a prompt or have a hole in said fense near the baths which would eliminate a huge hassle and would alone save, i kid you not, about 10-15 minutes out of the hour and a half of the current approximate game time.

Then there's the lower area with the guards, when you get the event, you need to go around ALL the trees, also padding the play time a ton, when you could just cut through, or better yet, have the event trigger point be on the right side of said trees behind the wall, not the left. The 'guild recruitment' area also makes you walk back and fourth, climb the mountain, watch down through the hole, then all the way back for each of the stages, could instead make the wall and waterfall longer so that your walk there is significantly shorter, though that's not a big issue given its a one time event anyway. Also would be even better to have hat event trigger from the bridge as it has an overlook on that area instead of the guard extortion event which makes said event the only one aside the train that's money locked and very limited in how many times you could view it, not that you need to, would also make the bridge location more interesting.

The slime shop area is almost okay, aside needing to walk to it for a pretty long time, but the path there is more narrow than it seems, could use a block of expansion. The tree bar is good, no complaints there, same for dungeon area, plus you don't go there much anyway so it'd be good enough no matter what. Second town? A bit too big, but its new and raw so idk. Also i'd make the fade-out and in shorter. This may all sound nitpicky but as i said, the game currently lasts about 90 minutes, and with those changes/shortcuts the game would literally be 50-60 minutes long instead without losing absolutely anything, and way more pleasant instead of those walks feeling tedious half an hour in, its pure and pretty massive padding.

 

[Deleted member 1909139]

Oh come on dude, he's the guy who made a story about guy with a miserable life get lucky for once and get a fox wife only to be immediately cucked and fucking ran over by the same limo his wife's getting blacked in, i think he can handle some criticizm lol.

Well, he said already come to read here is not fun anymore then maybe is a bit too far some opinions, I dont think someone making a game like call of duty makes that dev be bulletproof (Im just exaggerating don't take it seriously), maybe is better to separate fiction and reality, we dont know how can affect the things said here, or yes because maybe the devs will not read us anymore.

Im sure he can handle criticizm, sure! the point is the absurd criticizm when the game just started to be developed, the game will be whatever the devs want for the game to be, he already read the opinions, come here to complain about the same things of the previous game is useless because MAYBE these "bad writting" is fun for them, maybe is fun for a lot of people, say you dont like 1 time its fine, but repeat again and again and again patch after patch and post after post is weird and maybe is time for these people who complain repeatedly and with sorta "not friendly" way to ask for changes to do their own game and let this game be what the devs want for good or bad.

And for that post of positive things, I want to see more of that system of combat dungeons, I fucking love that part.

 

[MarkKZ]

Well, he said already come to read here is not fun anymore then maybe is a bit too far some opinions, I dont think someone making a game like call of duty makes that dev be bulletproof (Im just exaggerating don't take it seriously), maybe is better to separate fiction and reality, we dont know how can affect the things said here, or yes because maybe the devs will not read us anymore.

Im sure he can handle criticizm, sure! the point is the absurd criticizm when the game just started to be developed, the game will be whatever the devs want for the game to be, he already read the opinions, come here to complain about the same things of the previous game is useless because MAYBE these "bad writting" is fun for them, maybe is fun for a lot of people, say you dont like 1 time its fine, but repeat again and again and again patch after patch and post after post is weird and maybe is time for these people who complain repeatedly and with sorta "not friendly" way to ask for changes to do their own game and let this game be what the devs want for good or bad.

And for that post of positive things, I want to see more of that system of combat dungeons, I fucking love that part.

Well, as i said, not ALL people here say stuff that makes sense, never gonna be the case anywhere really, and to expect it is pretty unreasonable tbh, there will always be weird and even downright crazy people you meet on the internet.

"When the game just started to be developed"
As i said, some things are valid regardless of the stage the game is in, basic map comfort and respecting your follower's time being one of them. Your own time too, testing the game would be way faster without the map being the way it is. Speaking of, keep forgetting to mention that a time skip button without running back and fourth between screens would be pretty handy.

But yeah, i have no problem with the writing so far, think it and the scenario are pretty good. The dungeons.. Well, its a bit clunky and personally i'm not too big a fan but i don't mind it either, also i'd say its better than the normal grindy battle system of rpg's, especially if its a game and story where the characters can't level up and there's no quick battle and anti encounter systems like in some rpg's where you simply hold Z and the same actions repeat really fast, speeding up each encounter, and at some point with a few level difference lower rank monsters just run away.

 

[Arlong72]

Is there a post with the lewd scenes or video playthrough?

 

[Jjh]

Omg people its a porn game about cheating and i bet half of you aren’t even paying for it… let the man make his game how he wants it, if you want to give your suggestion support him and tell him in the discord channel made for it.

 

[arkls063306]

Omg people its a porn game about cheating and i bet half of you aren’t even paying for it… let the man make his game how he wants it, if you want to give your suggestion support him and tell him in the discord channel made for it.

Friend, on the Internet there are always criticisms whether good or bad and it depends on the author how he wants to interpret them.

I also found some slightly offensive comments, but that's normal in any game, since not everyone will like the game and will say why they don't like it and what they don't like.

And above all, and without meaning to offend the creator of the game, but getting upset by a comment from someone who didn't like the game is a little childish, just ignore them and that's it.

 

[Deleted member 1909139]

Friend, on the Internet there are always criticisms whether good or bad and it depends on the author how he wants to interpret them.

I also found some slightly offensive comments, but that's normal in any game, since not everyone will like the game and will say why they don't like it and what they don't like.

And above all, and without meaning to offend the creator of the game, but getting upset by a comment from someone who didn't like the game is a little childish, just ignore them and that's it.

Some folks being assholes with Empe = is the internet, is normal
Empe say "read here is not fun anymore" = childish

Is that correct? because in that case we can't complain if authors not come to see our feedback.

If the site doesn't change to something more author-friendly, I think we're going to lose it, and it's close with the new piracy policy on DLsite. I think we can be kind and make criticisms at same time.

Is true Internet is the jungle and there are beasts, is natural, but even on the jungle people make little villages to protect what is important and valuable to them, is what civilized people do, this forum is a little village, we chose if protect authors or let beasts eat them.

Its a big difference come to a post and read things that motivate you and make you happy to continue doing games, or read constant attacks that tell you "maybe is not worth it to continue".

I think Empe is really kind and was being polite.

 

[goery]

but getting upset by a comment from someone who didn't like the game is a little childish, just ignore them and that's it.

After reading the comments in the last 5 page (and a lot before that) there is no way you think it's just "comment from people who don't like the game." Call it what it is, it's hate from people who's seething that the devs don't address their concern immediately within the next patch (I'm not talking about the genuine criticisms that exists here).

And even though it's normal to get hate, doesn't mean it's "childish" to get upset over it. Wouldn't you be upset if people shit on your product that you work hard on every day?

 

[JBukharin]

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So, I had this whole thread muted since I have stuff to do that isn't dealing with some spoiled Dev, but then I got told that people are still so earnest to play the role of 'Headpat did nothing wrong' or 'Empe has been bullied by big bad mean haters', and those folks are so happy to 'read five pages' and 'know the full truth.

This isn't a matter of 'last five pages'. Nor is it a 'the last 60 pages of the whole thread'. The issue here is that long-standing players of Headpat games have enough of reasons to voice grievances, especially when they set up a fairly high bar with Sana's game and the prospective for this very game.

What I mean? Well, quick reminder that this is the third game this dev group made. They are not 'inexperienced' or 'unfamiliar' with criticism. They are definitely not unfamiliar with their own attempts to 'fight back the haters' and then losing because the general points are actually fair.

The issue here, and I want to make it clear, is a matter of foundation. And by that, I mean that: if they are rolling with the reason of 'we need time to first set things up for the game, fleshing out the initial bits before going to the next step', then there should be a genuine internal concern of "Hey guys, folks are saying we are putting less effort on this MC compared to the one of the previous games, what's the solution?"

What we got was the last update post when they went "Oh, we heard you people and we giving Anon a friend. Who so happens to be the goblin that cucks him! See? We actually listen!"

So, to those saying that we 'haters' scared the devs off the thread, I wish to remind you all that it all started when they pushed first, and then they didn't like the reaction to that.

I don't know if Empe is directly involved in messing the bag around Anon's characterization, but the 'attacks' against them came the moment they demonized all of the criticism as hate. As far as I am concerned, that is how you lose an audience, but I see some folks here like to also be NTR'd through this game's own development. Kudos on you, I don't kinkshame and I hope you will reach your best climaxes through this thread.

Jokes aside, what is also being omitted is that 'we haters' don't want immediate changes. We want the Devs to say 'we hear you and we are eventually going to do something about it'. We don't want this situation to be solved on the spot, but we expect some sort of understanding that the criticism is being received and it is either being accepted or rejected.

We got none of that, and, as far as anyone can really care, you can't demand too much from deaf devs when they are so hellbent that they are absolutely in the right.

Lastly, I am legitimately done addressing this matter. The mods should have the thread locked since the conversation had been derailed for far too long, and wait to unlock it for the next update.

I am not going to address this any further, not even if some other dwellers enjoy to throw mud in my general direction.

 

[E358700]

Jokes aside, what is also being omitted is that 'we haters' don't want immediate changes. We want the Devs to say 'we hear you and we are eventually going to do something about it'. We don't want this situation to be solved on the spot, but we expect some sort of understanding that the criticism is being received and it is either being accepted or rejected.

Genuinely fair criticism. I may not agree with a few of your points here, or the particular mocking tone, but this one is 100% totally fair. If there's anything the devs take from this thread, it should be that every now and then "stepping out of character", so to speak, and making a genuine, joke-free post that just says "hey, we hear the complaints, we don't like the tone of said complaints, but xyz are going to be addressed eventually, calm down." is probably a good idea.

I personally don't think that the protagonist of this type of NTR game having much of a personality matters at all, but this is clearly an issue for a lot of people, and the devs should probably address it directly and without sass if they want it to stop, or at least calm way the hell down. If they plan to give MC more of a character later, just say so. If they don't view it as important for the game and plan to leave him as a cardboard cutout, then they should also make that clear so the people who can't stand that can cut their losses and find something else to follow.

I love the game so far, and I honestly couldn't give fewer fucks about whether the protagonist changes or not, but the devs really should take a moment to just genuinely address the complaints they've got here, specifically the big one about the MC being cardboard. That really seems to be a sticking point for a lot of people, and seriously does deserve to at least be acknowledged in a non-mocking manner.

 

[E358700]

As a side note, I really don't understand why people seem to think the MC here is so much worse than Sana's. That dude's entire personality was "I love fluffy tails, I would never cheat on my GF, and I'm dumb as bricks." Outside of that all that I remember is specific scenes where he is either sad his girlfriend got fucked by another man, being suspicious of the suspicious crocodile girl (Fief was the best fucking character in that entire game with the best scenes in the entire game, and I will die on this hill), and getting angry because a fox goddess is being a cunt. That's hardly S-tier character writing.

Again, other people do not share my opinion on the MC's character not mattering, which is perfectly fine, I just don't see the argument that Anon here is less of a character than Anon there. Hell, they're literally called Anon for fuck's sake, that's basically one giant sign that the MC is largely irrelevant outside being NTR'd and allowing the player to, y'know, play the game.

 

[Deleted member 1909139]

I dont care at all if the MC dude is totally blank and without personallity, I think being called "Anon" is a point on that like was said above, if have more background then good but if not then is totally fine and I dont need that much deep story about the MC, better if the devs give me a blank Anon MC without personallity and use that time and effort to do things about the girls, give me just more content about that fluffy tails and huge tits, fuck the MC if the devs dont enjoy doing deep content about Anon. But hey! devs are making steps to give Anon story content for those who like, little steps maybe from the point of view of that people but are steps, then congratulations.

Some flaws for one folk can be good points for another. Be angry because some hentai game is not exactly how you expect is a little bit weird, I think is time to calm down, Im sure the next patches will be fun.

 

[Ubbak]

Let's move past this.

 

[arkls063306]

Ok, everything is getting out of hand, let's leave this behind anyway, I ran out of mortadella XD

 

[empe3]

I personally don't think that the protagonist of this type of NTR game having much of a personality matters at all, but this is clearly an issue for a lot of people, and the devs should probably address it directly and without sass if they want it to stop, or at least calm way the hell down.

Hi! If you want to hear my perspective on the matter, I don't listen to single complaints of "I hate xyz, go change it." at all. And if I did, it would have to come from one of our subscriber's channels and not a piracy forum since I do have a certain obligation to our supporters after all, I would at least listen to it sincerely.
I enjoy reading this forum because sometimes people bounce good ideas around. I actually got several good ideas from Sana's thread that I ended up implementing in one way or another, so please keep at it but don't tell our subscribers as it technically means we're cheating on them.
Whenever I got complaints about Anon it was about his lack of H scenes. I understand where it's coming from but I have no interest in making vanilla H!! I will simply not do it if I don't want to even if it's demanded.
I never actually got serious complaints about his character but I do think Luna's Anon is an improvement over Sana's in that regard. At least people pointed out to me that they enjoy Luna's Anon more so far.
It is quite obvious that the Anons are meant to be this way and serve as the foundation for a lot of the humor in the games.

So when it comes to criticism I believe etiquette is extremely important, internet or not. Excuse me if I'm going to be a little less friendly now.
If someone gets upset at the game's writing so much that they can't help but suffer a meltdown over multiple pages, the more respectful approach would have been to contact me directly through PM instead of venting in public. I very much notice the subtle attempts at slander as well.
I think the bad intention becomes very clear when said person afterwards asks for the thread to be locked as if they're not the sole reason for the bad optics. Hopefully they just leave and don't come back.

 

[botaniq_1]

Hi! If you want to hear my perspective on the matter, I don't listen to single complaints of "I hate xyz, go change it." at all. And if I did, it would have to come from one of our subscriber's channels and not a piracy forum since I do have a certain obligation to our supporters after all, I would at least listen to it sincerely.
I enjoy reading this forum because sometimes people bounce good ideas around. I actually got several good ideas from Sana's thread that I ended up implementing in one way or another, so please keep at it but don't tell our subscribers as it technically means we're cheating on them.
Whenever I got complaints about Anon it was about his lack of H scenes. I understand where it's coming from but I have no interest in making vanilla H!! I will simply not do it if I don't want to even if it's demanded.
I never actually got serious complaints about his character but I do think Luna's Anon is an improvement over Sana's in that regard. At least people pointed out to me that they enjoy Luna's Anon more so far.
It is quite obvious that the Anons are meant to be this way and serve as the foundation for a lot of the humor in the games.

So when it comes to criticism I believe etiquette is extremely important, internet or not. Excuse me if I'm going to be a little less friendly now.
If someone gets upset at the game's writing so much that they can't help but suffer a meltdown over multiple pages, the more respectful approach would have been to contact me directly through PM instead of venting in public. I very much notice the subtle attempts at slander as well.
I think the bad intention becomes very clear when said person afterwards asks for the thread to be locked as if they're not the sole reason for the bad optics. Hopefully they just leave and don't come back.

Hello Mr Empe3, do you have a fourth game in mind?

 

[HueJass123]

I enjoy reading this forum because sometimes people bounce good ideas around. I actually got several good ideas from Sana's thread that I ended up implementing in one way or another, so please keep at it but don't tell our subscribers as it technically means we're cheating on them.

Ignore the haters, they are a very vocal, yet annoying subset of the group here. Even though we are all cheapskates here, we love your content and wish for the best

That being said, you should totally continue Sana's magic lessons in the same way the tournament has multiple stages. Should help flesh Garret out as a villain, and we can get some kinky magical shenanigans