RPGM The Stereotype That Only Girls Play Healers Isn’t True at All!!! [v2.4] [Headpat]

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This whole concept of sex in game affects girl magically is funny in theory, but I just cannot see a well-written way to make the IRL segments make sense, outside of:
  1. 1) Luna genuinely hating the MC already, which is why she never has sex with him because:
    1. If she easily goes into heat and she can't control it, there's no logical reason why the MC isn't getting sucked dry. It just doesn't make sense that she's willing to invite other random people over to have sex, rather than her established love interest, even IF she normally wouldn't have sex with him because she's too shy. The only way it would make sense is if the other people were closer to her, but that's not the case as they live together.
    2. If it's not heat, but game magic bullshit, why still not have sex with the MC? He's right there..
  2. The game mind-controlling her, making her dislike the MC/like the people in-game who fuck her.
    1. To which the question is... why? Why would it make her dislike the MC? As of now it reads like she really hates the guy for seemingly no reason.
    2. Making it so that Luna like people who do stuff to her in-game more IRL would explain why she's willing to fuck them. But that doesn't really provide an answer as to why she seems to hate every bone in MC's body. Also doesn't explain why her horniness never seems to flow towards the MC when it's pretty obvious she's horny.
If 1) is the case, the game would need to explain why they're living together and why she seems to hint towards wanting more in their relationship. The "tsundere" trait doesn't really fit here, because tsunderes are supposed to act spicy, but actually like the people they act that way towards. There's nothing here that suggests she likes the MC at all. And if 2) is the case, it also still doesn't explain why she hates the guy.

And the "beastgirl in heat can't control herself" concept is just not it if sticking to the "MC never getting any" is what's gonna happen. Logic would assume she'd devour the closest man (MC) to her, but she doesn't. Which means she can control herself. Which means it doesn't make sense that she's willing to fuck people that isn't the person she is supposed to "like". That is unless her dislike of MC is so strong that it overpowers her sexual instinct, to which I say lol.
Honestly, just make them platonic roommates where the MC has a one-sided crush on her. That would at least make sense.

I honestly couldn't care less about Anon. He's cardboard as cardboard can be. But Luna is supposed to be the main girl and she's just not really logical in any way. Hence why the small change of potential romantic relationship to one-sided crush works. Because it would immediately explain why Luna doesn't seem to "like" the guy outside of the very contradictory ways she sometimes lashes out.
This reminds me a little of the girls in Japan. (I do not generalize)
They usually separate sexual satisfaction from love. "I love you with all my heart, but if I have the opportunity I will make you cuckold with bigger cocks."
(Using translator)
 

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This whole concept of sex in game affects girl magically is funny in theory, but I just cannot see a well-written way to make the IRL segments make sense, outside of:
  1. 1) Luna genuinely hating the MC already, which is why she never has sex with him because:
    1. If she easily goes into heat and she can't control it, there's no logical reason why the MC isn't getting sucked dry. It just doesn't make sense that she's willing to invite other random people over to have sex, rather than her established love interest, even IF she normally wouldn't have sex with him because she's too shy. The only way it would make sense is if the other people were closer to her, but that's not the case as they live together.
    2. If it's not heat, but game magic bullshit, why still not have sex with the MC? He's right there..
  2. The game mind-controlling her, making her dislike the MC/like the people in-game who fuck her.
    1. To which the question is... why? Why would it make her dislike the MC? As of now it reads like she really hates the guy for seemingly no reason.
    2. Making it so that Luna like people who do stuff to her in-game more IRL would explain why she's willing to fuck them. But that doesn't really provide an answer as to why she seems to hate every bone in MC's body. Also doesn't explain why her horniness never seems to flow towards the MC when it's pretty obvious she's horny.
If 1) is the case, the game would need to explain why they're living together and why she seems to hint towards wanting more in their relationship. The "tsundere" trait doesn't really fit here, because tsunderes are supposed to act spicy, but actually like the people they act that way towards. There's nothing here that suggests she likes the MC at all. And if 2) is the case, it also still doesn't explain why she hates the guy.

And the "beastgirl in heat can't control herself" concept is just not it if sticking to the "MC never getting any" is what's gonna happen. Logic would assume she'd devour the closest man (MC) to her, but she doesn't. Which means she can control herself. Which means it doesn't make sense that she's willing to fuck people that isn't the person she is supposed to "like". That is unless her dislike of MC is so strong that it overpowers her sexual instinct, to which I say lol.
Honestly, just make them platonic roommates where the MC has a one-sided crush on her. That would at least make sense.

I honestly couldn't care less about Anon. He's cardboard as cardboard can be. But Luna is supposed to be the main girl and she's just not really logical in any way. Hence why the small change of potential romantic relationship to one-sided crush works. Because it would immediately explain why Luna doesn't seem to "like" the guy outside of the very contradictory ways she sometimes lashes out.
I would like to point out that the Dev HAS addressed these criticisms (in this very thread).

Luna getting horny enough to fuck random guys because of the game is supposedly going to be explained in-universe in some future update.

The reason the progression is so absurdly fast is because people complained about there not being enough sex.

The criticisms are valid and such, but they've been done to death and already explained.
 

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I would like to point out that the Dev HAS addressed these criticisms (in this very thread).
Ah, but they didn't! Well, not exactly.

Luna getting horny enough to fuck random guys because of the game is supposedly going to be explained in-universe in some future update.
Or maybe not because they will forget or just lose interest to adding it. Like they did with multiple scenes in the previous game's gallery that are now not going to ever be added. If they want to really make sense, they should have added something of a 'pre-game' condition. Like Luna having tried to bang Anon, but Anon being cardboard. Kill two birds with a stone with that.

The reason the progression is so absurdly fast is because people complained about there not being enough sex.
Just because there is a problem, it doesn't mean all solutions are good solutions. Paying players were bitching on the fact that the game had a limited amount of sex scenes. Not that there wasn't enough sex. The solution to this one would have been to actually add more build up to the sex scenes. Most games work with 'handjob, blowjob, titjob, assjob and then sex' rather than just, you know, rape sex, dubcon sex and then real life sex.

The criticisms are valid and such, but they've been done to death and already explained.
Not everyone live through the urge of checking 70 pages of a thread before raising criticism. And they are not 'dead', they had been handwaved to be 'answered later' in most cases. Also, Speederzd raised the notion that, reason or not for Luna being a bitch in heat for everyone but anon prior to the game has not been explained. The way it is setup only debilitates the plot itself (what little plot there is, obviously,) and the solution to this would be to do a major change to their dynamics: they are roommates, both are interested in one another, but Luna is tsundere as heck and Anon is fucking dumb. By doing this, you can pass over the need to justify why Luna was such a dead fish around MC, but suddenly became the Whore of Babylon around half of the game world.
 

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News post & previews!!

Hello! Work on the next update is coming along nicely. Let's talk about some stuff!!

First, from now on we're going to have a properly functional gallery that let's you replay already seen events and not just the images alone, where applicable.
Sorry for slacking on it until now.
Back during Sana some people yelled at me that the gallery is the most important feature of a H-game.
I can see that logic but couldn't fully make up my mind what to actually show in there so I neglected it until now.
That said, I don't want the gallery to cover 100% of the game.
Stuff where Anon has to move around towns to see will still not have a complete replay feature. I tried that even back at Sana and didn't like it there either.
The best NTR is when unexpected stuff happens.
For example, let's say you're on your way to talk to Pudding. And then you randomly spot Luna somewhere in the bushes... "fighting" an orc.
No hints, no warnings. Those are the best NTR moments!!! And the gallery will always be my opponent when it comes to those.

Now let's talk about wolf girls.
Some potential spoilers now, look away quickly.
Anon is working hard to keep Luna up! Please look forward to more cute moments.
This is a very wholesome game where nothing bad happens after all.

And to make sure nothing bad happens, you need good equipment to make fights easier.
It's time we get the whole side-job thing started so Luna will be able to earn gold at the restaurant now.
However, it would be nice if it punishes Anon somehow if they make too much gold from it.
But to implement that we need more scenes first so for now, with only a few, feel free to make lots of gold while you still can.
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Anon is working hard to keep Luna up! Please look forward to more cute moments.
This is a very wholesome game where nothing bad happens after all.

And to make sure nothing bad happens, you need good equipment to make fights easier.
It's time we get the whole side-job thing started so Luna will be able to earn gold at the restaurant now.
However, it would be nice if it punishes Anon somehow if they make too much gold from it.
But to implement that we need more scenes first so for now, with only a few, feel free to make lots of gold while you still can.
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But hold on, isn't something getting bigger!?
I have a bad feeling where this is going.
My artist says that Gao Quest Online is a game with free character re-customization at any time.
And Luna is upping the sliders for the waitress job. Okay, let's go with that. (I have no say in the matter.)

Also, here's a completely out-of-context Pudding.

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Oh so she DID up/respec her bust stat! Explains these and the past (waitress) artwork then... Hmm, would be funny and fun if she gets more bimbo-like in game and enjoys it so much she'll get some 'upgrades' irl too~... Maybe, idk, loving the direction so far either way.
 

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Also, Speederzd raised the notion that, reason or not for Luna being a bitch in heat for everyone but anon prior to the game has not been explained. The way it is setup only debilitates the plot itself (what little plot there is, obviously,) and the solution to this would be to do a major change to their dynamics: they are roommates, both are interested in one another, but Luna is tsundere as heck and Anon is fucking dumb. By doing this, you can pass over the need to justify why Luna was such a dead fish around MC, but suddenly became the Whore of Babylon around half of the game world.
While I agree that making this slight change would make the overall story easier to salvage in terms of logic, I'll still have to point out that the whole "heat" thing still logically doesn't make sense. Because even if they're changed to roommates that only have a crush, that still doesn't explain why she can seemingly control herself when it has to do with the MC, but not anyone else. It would only explain why she hasn't acted on her normal impulses, outside of the whole in heat situation.

And yes, I'm aware that some of the criticism have been hand-waved as "will be explained later", hence why I started with saying that I can't logically see a way to make everything that is currently there make sense, without some pretty hefty changes. Because as it is right now, there's already logical clashes, which is crazy with how little actual story there seems to be.
 
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This whole concept of sex in game affects girl magically is funny in theory, but I just cannot see a well-written way to make the IRL segments make sense, outside of:
  1. 1) Luna genuinely hating the MC already, which is why she never has sex with him because:
    1. If she easily goes into heat and she can't control it, there's no logical reason why the MC isn't getting sucked dry. It just doesn't make sense that she's willing to invite other random people over to have sex, rather than her established love interest, even IF she normally wouldn't have sex with him because she's too shy. The only way it would make sense is if the other people were closer to her, but that's not the case as they live together.
    2. If it's not heat, but game magic bullshit, why still not have sex with the MC? He's right there..
  2. The game mind-controlling her, making her dislike the MC/like the people in-game who fuck her.
    1. To which the question is... why? Why would it make her dislike the MC? As of now it reads like she really hates the guy for seemingly no reason.
    2. Making it so that Luna like people who do stuff to her in-game more IRL would explain why she's willing to fuck them. But that doesn't really provide an answer as to why she seems to hate every bone in MC's body. Also doesn't explain why her horniness never seems to flow towards the MC when it's pretty obvious she's horny.
If 1) is the case, the game would need to explain why they're living together and why she seems to hint towards wanting more in their relationship. The "tsundere" trait doesn't really fit here, because tsunderes are supposed to act spicy, but actually like the people they act that way towards. There's nothing here that suggests she likes the MC at all. And if 2) is the case, it also still doesn't explain why she hates the guy.

And the "beastgirl in heat can't control herself" concept is just not it if sticking to the "MC never getting any" is what's gonna happen. Logic would assume she'd devour the closest man (MC) to her, but she doesn't. Which means she can control herself. Which means it doesn't make sense that she's willing to fuck people that isn't the person she is supposed to "like". That is unless her dislike of MC is so strong that it overpowers her sexual instinct, to which I say lol.
Honestly, just make them platonic roommates where the MC has a one-sided crush on her. That would at least make sense.

I honestly couldn't care less about Anon. He's cardboard as cardboard can be. But Luna is supposed to be the main girl and she's just not really logical in any way. Hence why the small change of potential romantic relationship to one-sided crush works. Because it would immediately explain why Luna doesn't seem to "like" the guy outside of the very contradictory ways she sometimes lashes out.

It's a little confusing, and I know they say it's because there's a lack of content, which is a little odd because I haven't seen a creator create the ending of the game first and then the beginning, but? That's a different story.
What continues to confuse me is Luna's behavior. Well, he says he loves and cares for the MC and in the end he ends up hitting him or yelling at him for nothing.

The relationship he had with Raze, I'm still waiting for it to be said how he convinced Luna to accept that he go and sleep with him.

And the most (excuse the word) stupid thing I see is the shit that Luna is going to change the configuration of her avatar which is more logical since if we support that the MC would have no problem to do the same with yours and give yourself a 40 meter penis if you would like XD
 
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What continues to confuse me is Luna's behavior. Well, he says he loves and cares for the MC and in the end he ends up hitting him or yelling at him for nothing.
Have you never met a woman? They can be quite confusing sometimes. XD

For real though, some people are just like that, in terms of character writing it's just a sub-category of Tsundere. She loves MC, and she loves MC BECAUSE he's dense as a brick, (not in spite of it, despite what many here seem to think) but she gets upset at him for not protecting her, being more affectionate, reading her signals better, etc. even though she knows that it's her own fault for not being clearer with him. She's a massive hypocrite, and that's basically the entire reason anything happens in this game. She's a huge slut biologically, and she loves that Anon doesn't see her as such, which is the reason she never goes to him for her sexual urges/gets angry at him for being sexual with her. As far as the hitting and yelling goes, as fucked up as it may be, those can absolutely be endearing traits. I doubt she's hitting him with any real amount of force 99% of the time, and the yelling is mostly flustered, embarrassed reactions, which is downright adorable to some people (myself). She's not actually not mad, she's scared his view of her will change, so she lashes out. She can't reconcile what she loves about Anon (his innocence and non-sexual love for Luna) with what she wants from Anon (sex, protection, etc.), and it causes a bunch of problems.

Or maybe that's just my reading of it. I've had a girlfriend very similar in behavior to Luna in the past, so I'm either projecting or I just have a better grasp of what the dev is going for due to personal experience. Either way, she's a hypocrite, she's aware that she's a hypocrite, and she's too insecure to do anything about what's happening around/to her, which is the crux of everything that happens in this story. That's my read on it (at least until the mind control game plot point gets introduced and renders most of what I say irrelevant XD).
 

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Or maybe that's just my reading of it. I've had a girlfriend very similar in behavior to Luna in the past, so I'm either projecting or I just have a better grasp of what the dev is going for due to personal experience. Either way, she's a hypocrite, she's aware that she's a hypocrite, and she's too insecure to do anything about what's happening around/to her, which is the crux of everything that happens in this story. That's my read on it (at least until the mind control game plot point gets introduced and renders most of what I say irrelevant XD).
I believe your reading makes sense on paper, it's just when you introduce the whole "bioslut" part, it kinda falls flat. How is she able to control herself in regards to the MC who she supposedly loves, but not others? If the heat thing isn't a factor, I can see you being correct. But I can't wrap my head around her being able to control herself in one case and not in others, when it supposedly takes over her faculties. And if she is able to control herself enough to go to others instead, the question is then why is she willing to hurt someone she supposedly loves so much. Again, it doesn't really add up when everything is put together. Most of the components works by themselves and even in some combinations, it's just that everything together causes contradictions.
 

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I believe your reading makes sense on paper, it's just when you introduce the whole "bioslut" part, it kinda falls flat. How is she able to control herself in regards to the MC who she supposedly loves, but not others? If the heat thing isn't a factor, I can see you being correct. But I can't wrap my head around her being able to control herself in one case and not in others, when it supposedly takes over her faculties. And if she is able to control herself enough to go to others instead, the question is then why is she willing to hurt someone she supposedly loves so much. Again, it doesn't really add up when everything is put together. Most of the components works by themselves and even in some combinations, it's just that everything together causes contradictions.
Easy, other people are aware of what's going on, and keep pushing until she snaps. Anon isn't aware of the heat thing and respects her boundaries. It's not like she has a heat on the level of a cat though, it's not like she is the one jumping people's bones (early on at least, that does change as she gets more corrupted), she just has no willpower to resist people making moves on her. If Anon WERE to get her in the mood, she would still have enough willpower to chew him out, which would end the encounter, whereas when she chews out, for example, Raze, he just laughs and keeps going. She's not "controlling herself enough to go to others instead", she's controlling herself enough to go to her room to cool down, jill off, etc. That only works with someone who actually LETS her, which the people she ends up fucking don't allow. The heat isn't bad enough that she goes around screaming "SOMEONE FUCK ME!" like a cat does, it just destroys her ability to say no.

Tl;dr, Anon gets her heat flared up, she yells at him and leaves, he gives her space, she calms down. Raze gets her heat flared up, she yells at him and leaves/tries to leave, Raze follows her/keeps her there, she can't calm down, they fuck. It basically acts like an aphrodisiac in any number of other games, she still has the ability to say no, she just can't resist if someone keeps going anyway.
 

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Easy, other people are aware of what's going on, and keep pushing until she snaps. Anon isn't aware of the heat thing and respects her boundaries. It's not like she has a heat on the level of a cat though, it's not like she is the one jumping people's bones (early on at least, that does change as she gets more corrupted), she just has no willpower to resist people making moves on her. If Anon WERE to get her in the mood, she would still have enough willpower to chew him out, which would end the encounter, whereas when she chews out, for example, Raze, he just laughs and keeps going. She's not "controlling herself enough to go to others instead", she's controlling herself enough to go to her room to cool down, jill off, etc. That only works with someone who actually LETS her, which the people she ends up fucking don't allow. The heat isn't bad enough that she goes around screaming "SOMEONE FUCK ME!" like a cat does, it just destroys her ability to say no.

Tl;dr, Anon gets her heat flared up, she yells at him and leaves, he gives her space, she calms down. Raze gets her heat flared up, she yells at him and leaves/tries to leave, Raze follows her/keeps her there, she can't calm down, they fuck. It basically acts like an aphrodisiac in any number of other games, she still has the ability to say no, she just can't resist if someone keeps going anyway.
That would make a lot of sense if it also hit Raze but from what we can see he just says no and there's no way to defend that since from what we saw with the bandits he can just log out. He did it when the MC saw her after finishing the encounter with the bandits, he just logged off. So, the reason she allows it with others is not because they force her, and even more so now with the swipe button, if she does it, so do the others and therefore the MC can too. But he's too stupid to do that XD
 

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Sorry if you don't understand what I'm saying, I don't speak or write English so I use a translator XD
I get you, I'm just trying to explain in the best way I can. I get your issues with the character of Luna, especially when it comes to the in-game stuff and her ability to avoid it by just logging out, but at least for now you just have to have a bit of suspension of disbelief on that front. For the time being, she doesn't log out to avoid the sexual harassment because it wouldn't make for a very good porn game if she did, until the stuff with the game doing some mind control or whatever that the dev has mentioned gets added, that's more or less the long and short of it.

I understand the character issues, I just personally don't really view them as issues, at least not until the game is more complete and we actually have enough information to know what's even going on. To each their own, everyone has their own views and opinions, if you personally can't grasp why things are happening the way they are that's alright, I'm just trying to explain things where I can so more people have at least some grasp of what seems to be going on. It just really bugs me when people say "This thing makes no sense!" when it makes no sense because it just hasn't been fleshed out yet. XD

As has been repeated ad-nauseam, this game is far from complete. A lot of things will change/evolve/get added as the game gets closer to completion.
 

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Have you never met a woman? They can be quite confusing sometimes. XD

For real though, some people are just like that, in terms of character writing it's just a sub-category of Tsundere. She loves MC, and she loves MC BECAUSE he's dense as a brick, (not in spite of it, despite what many here seem to think) but she gets upset at him for not protecting her, being more affectionate, reading her signals better, etc. even though she knows that it's her own fault for not being clearer with him. She's a massive hypocrite, and that's basically the entire reason anything happens in this game. She's a huge slut biologically, and she loves that Anon doesn't see her as such, which is the reason she never goes to him for her sexual urges/gets angry at him for being sexual with her. As far as the hitting and yelling goes, as fucked up as it may be, those can absolutely be endearing traits. I doubt she's hitting him with any real amount of force 99% of the time, and the yelling is mostly flustered, embarrassed reactions, which is downright adorable to some people (myself). She's not actually not mad, she's scared his view of her will change, so she lashes out. She can't reconcile what she loves about Anon (his innocence and non-sexual love for Luna) with what she wants from Anon (sex, protection, etc.), and it causes a bunch of problems.

Or maybe that's just my reading of it. I've had a girlfriend very similar in behavior to Luna in the past, so I'm either projecting or I just have a better grasp of what the dev is going for due to personal experience. Either way, she's a hypocrite, she's aware that she's a hypocrite, and she's too insecure to do anything about what's happening around/to her, which is the crux of everything that happens in this story. That's my read on it (at least until the mind control game plot point gets introduced and renders most of what I say irrelevant XD).
The real question is: have you ever actually seen a woman? Or do you only know them from eroge or Japanese animation? LMAO, where do you know these women from?


Atp the whole thing of “That will be explained later” = I have no idea what I've gotten myself into.
 
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I get you, I'm just trying to explain in the best way I can. I get your issues with the character of Luna, especially when it comes to the in-game stuff and her ability to avoid it by just logging out, but at least for now you just have to have a bit of suspension of disbelief on that front. For the time being, she doesn't log out to avoid the sexual harassment because it wouldn't make for a very good porn game if she did, until the stuff with the game doing some mind control or whatever that the dev has mentioned gets added, that's more or less the long and short of it.

I understand the character issues, I just personally don't really view them as issues, at least not until the game is more complete and we actually have enough information to know what's even going on. To each their own, everyone has their own views and opinions, if you personally can't grasp why things are happening the way they are that's alright, I'm just trying to explain things where I can so more people have at least some grasp of what seems to be going on. It just really bugs me when people say "This thing makes no sense!" when it makes no sense because it just hasn't been fleshed out yet. XD

As has been repeated ad-nauseam, this game is far from complete. A lot of things will change/evolve/get added as the game gets closer to completion.
d If I'm honest, I don't give a damn about the MC, after all it's an NTR game, what confuses me is the path the story takes, since I played Sana's and although it was strange at first I understood it. But with Luna she has me all mixed up, one moment she asks for something then she doesn't then she's horny and uses a toy and I understand that she doesn't want the MC to see her as a "slut" but she loses weight literally Using a dildo next to her "Boyfriend", although from what I saw Chief Empe is going to put a war map of the game. In my opinion, it would have been better to make the map and the events war in the game, it would save a lot of confusion, and the game could be followed more easily.

PDT: Don't pay attention to this, it's just my personal taste. Honestly, I'm already getting bored of the same logic of the MC having a micro penis and then not being able to crown his girlfriend. Any recommendations for a game without the typical micro penis?
 

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d If I'm honest, I don't give a damn about the MC, after all it's an NTR game, what confuses me is the path the story takes, since I played Sana's and although it was strange at first I understood it. But with Luna she has me all mixed up, one moment she asks for something then she doesn't then she's horny and uses a toy and I understand that she doesn't want the MC to see her as a "slut" but she loses weight literally Using a dildo next to her "Boyfriend", although from what I saw Chief Empe is going to put a war map of the game. In my opinion, it would have been better to make the map and the events war in the game, it would save a lot of confusion, and the game could be followed more easily.

PDT: Don't pay attention to this, it's just my personal taste. Honestly, I'm already getting bored of the same logic of the MC having a micro penis and then not being able to crown his girlfriend. Any recommendations for a game without the typical micro penis?
That's the point I've been making here for a while, the game is a failure as NTR, there's no feeling of NTR, there's no pre-theft relationship, the MC doesn't exist, and the FMC is an illogical turboslut, in the end no one is stolen from anyone, now if you want to talk to me about a great corruption game with great humor? I agree, now NTR? Ridiculous.

Also: I recommend you play NTR Knight.
 
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