- Mar 1, 2020
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If it made that kind of sense then anyone can just make underaged looking characters and declare them as older than they look.
I don't know why Adult Dev's keep on doing this and why people bother "talking about it" when it's all wrong all the time.
Steam is still a "Common Persons" store like it or not (and other than the Visual Novel fiasco's due to the School setting) it's always the same story.
T-Shirts for kids with "I'm my parents little cum-bubble" are sold (or "Spit Roast Whore Hot Sauce" being sold at a truck stop that everyone can see and buy), so is stuff like "Sex with Hitler".
Are they offensive? Very, but they are actively having dirty-tongue-in-cheek-fun with the product that can help skirt that line massively.
There is also a reason why many movies that are "problematic" from back in the day are still liked by many, because it's the total sum of it's part. It's only the movies that have nothing to offer that people will specifically ridicule for being so stupid and sleazy.
On the other hand, a game that doesn't pull any stops where they have a hardcore subject (ei: actively violating something, without a story, lore, etc). and that's the whole and ONLY premise are going to have a harder time being sold on it's premise. Quite a few games on Steam have some "extreme" hardcore adult content in them, but because it has some fat and meat on the bones, they can at least soften the blow on it (not to mention the writing).
Znel can do all the changes they like, the Sliders were simply the quickest and easiest scape-goat excuse they got. Why they decided "put safeguards" (seriously, doesn't anyone have any proof of this?) or only now to "limit them" after the damage is done (when they were already on 2-3 other places) is beyond me.
Sometimes it's better to have a smaller but more lucrative base without rocking the boat, rather then a larger boat where you need to keep on throwing out content to meet the quota.
Personal Opinion that doesn't matter: This is a sign the Developer isn't financially happy and wanted to get more money by accessing a larger potential selling pool.
I get it, but maybe they should make an actual game or massively update this one? I mean their updates are nowhere close to what some (literally) free indie games get months apart, and those are original works. This game on the other hand also has a decent stack of asset use, so I don't know what they're doing with a good portion of the money if they're not re-investing it in the project.
Steam is still a "Common Persons" store like it or not (and other than the Visual Novel fiasco's due to the School setting) it's always the same story.
T-Shirts for kids with "I'm my parents little cum-bubble" are sold (or "Spit Roast Whore Hot Sauce" being sold at a truck stop that everyone can see and buy), so is stuff like "Sex with Hitler".
Are they offensive? Very, but they are actively having dirty-tongue-in-cheek-fun with the product that can help skirt that line massively.
There is also a reason why many movies that are "problematic" from back in the day are still liked by many, because it's the total sum of it's part. It's only the movies that have nothing to offer that people will specifically ridicule for being so stupid and sleazy.
On the other hand, a game that doesn't pull any stops where they have a hardcore subject (ei: actively violating something, without a story, lore, etc). and that's the whole and ONLY premise are going to have a harder time being sold on it's premise. Quite a few games on Steam have some "extreme" hardcore adult content in them, but because it has some fat and meat on the bones, they can at least soften the blow on it (not to mention the writing).
Znel can do all the changes they like, the Sliders were simply the quickest and easiest scape-goat excuse they got. Why they decided "put safeguards" (seriously, doesn't anyone have any proof of this?) or only now to "limit them" after the damage is done (when they were already on 2-3 other places) is beyond me.
Sometimes it's better to have a smaller but more lucrative base without rocking the boat, rather then a larger boat where you need to keep on throwing out content to meet the quota.
Personal Opinion that doesn't matter: This is a sign the Developer isn't financially happy and wanted to get more money by accessing a larger potential selling pool.
I get it, but maybe they should make an actual game or massively update this one? I mean their updates are nowhere close to what some (literally) free indie games get months apart, and those are original works. This game on the other hand also has a decent stack of asset use, so I don't know what they're doing with a good portion of the money if they're not re-investing it in the project.
Few comments:I don't think I'd call outright banning the developer instead of warning him so he can patch it out as "common sense" specially since the developer himself stated that is not intended behavior of the sliders.
I'm not a fan of eternal development Patreon games, however I'm far less fan of developers being unfairly banned, Znel is not some epstinian conspirator trying to smuggle CSEM in to steam, he's making his game and went out of his way to try to conform to steam's unclear and inconsistent rules about bodytypes (its not even about age anymore), yet he's not even allowed an appeal or way to rectify it so his game can return.
But you're right on something, if we pretend Steam is always right and Znel did everything wrong then its fair and totally not bullshit
1) Znel might have been warned already several times. He just never told us of any warnings, because a warning wouldn't usually affect people's ability to download it off steam. Only once a ban dropped, you'd notice.
2) Some issues can't be patched out though. Take the game Hatred. If you patched out the blood and turned it into confetti, would it make the game less offensive? Or possibly more offensive? If they removed the sliders altogether, would that solve the problem? If they did, would people still want to buy it?
3) Unfairly banned is an eye of the beholder problem. It might just be that Znel was already skirting the boundaries of multiple potential rule breaks, and thus this ban feels more fair in Steam's eyes. It is a riskier product than some games. Like Wild Life has some character customization, but you can't make someone look "young" ever.
4) There is two types of bans on steam. Soft bans and hard bans. Soft bans can be appealed, but it costs you something harsh to do it. ie removing all the slider customization to get the game back on. Hard bans is where there is so much public outcry that nothing they do will resolve the situation. ie The Day Before or Guardians of Ember. So has he said the game has been "hard" banned or "soft" banned? ie Has Steam given him an ultimatum of what must be changed to get it on Steam and he is refusing to do that?
5) I never said Steam is always right. I also didn't say Znel is wrong. Most things these days is shades of grey. However, with that said, Znel hasn't helped himself by pushing the boundaries into the black. I'm sure there is a way around the problems, but I'm not sure Znel or Steam is going to budge on the decision or make efforts to rectify the problems.
When you enter the game, hit escape. You'll see 4 options to choose from. Hit O key. A 5th option should appear. Click it. You should see a "keypad". Simply type the 4 digit code into that keypad.
For current build it should be 0007 (not what is in the start page)
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Nah since any modder can add literally anything to the game - VALVe are more concerned about the fact a user could generate a minor or something in the base game with no mods.
If a user adds a mod externally, outside of Steam - it's not on VALVe since it wasn't hosted on or through their platform.
- Jul 24, 2022
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There is clearly a difference between a 40 year old midget and an underage child.
The old "But she's 1000 years old!" line doesn't fly, since the persons appearance is what is judged - if the body is depicted as a minor, it's not gonna fly. End of.
I have messed with negative sliders prior. (why must every damn slider reduce the waist size???) and can tell yall there is at least one slider I've found that I think is iffy enough when negative that I'd consider Steam's concerns valid. I'll also note there's nothing I've found that has the specific purpose of preventing negative sliders.
(Though doing so is still really annoying and headache inducing so I wouldn't bother learning how; and no I won't help.)
whatever yalls verdict is on the situation I don't really care, but if I'm gonna see yall debate in the comments I'd rather yall do so off good info.
I'll also note, some of these sliders should really have their negative functions made available in the game. istg the negative "thin" slider is 10x better at making your character look of a healthy weight than any of the other currently available options.
(Though doing so is still really annoying and headache inducing so I wouldn't bother learning how; and no I won't help.)
whatever yalls verdict is on the situation I don't really care, but if I'm gonna see yall debate in the comments I'd rather yall do so off good info.
I'll also note, some of these sliders should really have their negative functions made available in the game. istg the negative "thin" slider is 10x better at making your character look of a healthy weight than any of the other currently available options.
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- Mar 4, 2019
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I may be a pirate, but I do like to support projects wherever possible. So... if someone could pass this onto Znel, ... some bugs:
1) If the rate of pleasure gain is too high, she will get locked into an endless orgasm that doesn't stop until she passes out. So what happens is she reaches 100 pleasure, pleasure starts to drain, but... pleasure then stops draining and starts increasing again. But... once the game "would have" reached the orgasm point, it resets. This is especially annoying when the max arousal bar starts to increase (the tiny multicolored bars next to the pleasure meter) and then gets reset as well. And as the orgasms is where she gains submission and other effects, this makes the game really annoying without cheating.
2) Duration of Serums is related to framerate. So the screen says 120 seconds when you initiate it, but if your framerate is higher than 60, the duration is lost faster. Similarly, if you lock it to 30 fps, serums effectively last for 240 seconds. So my monitors are 75hz, so I lock it at 75 fps. Every 4th real-time second, the game consumes 2 seconds of the duration (so every 4 real seconds = -5 duration seconds as its 1.25 seconds consumed per real-second).
3) Lactation promotion lasts for 60 seconds. Only serum that does that.
4) You cannot insert anally when the vaginal secretion sucker is applied, despite only the labia being covered by the device.
5) The suction texture never disappears for a session. Waited 10 real-world minutes and it hadn't faded. But everything else in the game fades over time (ie cum, saliva, fluids on ground, etc). But, exiting to menu and going back to game, it does disappear.
6) It is a real pain to attach nipple suckers. You can be hovering the device over the nipple and it just won't attach. The other two devices are really easy to attach. Wish there was a button we could press to force apply the object and then it re-orients itself properly (as needed).
7) The pump deactivates the moment you remove a liquid container. So I removed the milk container, while it was still room for squirt, but the pump turned off the moment I grabbed the milk container. So lost a whole bunch of squirt. Might be nice if the squirt went into the lines, and just waited for the pump to turn back on.
8) Her body clips into the pubic hair mesh, when she struggles while you tickle her enough. Looks really weird.
9) Similar to #8, but if a dildo is penetrating her vagina, and she struggles while being tickled, the dildo mesh briefly appears around where the pubic hair is.
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Some suggestions:
-> Have her ask you to empty her breasts, when filled to the max of milk. Maybe at specific submission level.
-> Have her ask you to remove / turn off the breast pump, when she is out of milk.
-> Have a full-body orgasm effect, when hitting the highest intensity orgasm.
-> Have a taser burn mark where you apply the taser, that lasts for a bit. Hitting the same spot, deals a multiplier to fear damage.
-> Have an arousal meter that goes down some during an orgasm, but otherwise causes her to blush (face, breasts, vagina, etc), visibly wet vagina (soaks panties), and vaginal leakage. Then this arousal meter determines how potent the orgasm is. A visual indicator would be very useful for this to provide better feedback to the player.
-> Have the nipples leak a little milk, if at maximum capacity, to give a visual indicator when to milk her.
-> Have her audibly complain when you equip a specific device again, if it caused her discomfort. ie The Taser.
-> Overlarge dildos. Like 12 inches+ in length. The kind of thing "siswet" often uses. Causes a lot of pain, discomfort and fear for females that aren't ready for it.
-> New serums:
A) Stimpack = Restores health at +1.5hp per second, rapidly lowers fear and sensitivity, and causes wounds to disappear.
B) Waterworks = Severely increases amount of pee/squirt is released during an event.
C) Dehydration = Prevents squirting/pee events.
D) Gaping = Removing a dildo, penis, fingers, whatever, causes the hole to remain agape based on the size of object removed.
E) Lubrication = Increases pleasure gain from vaginal/anal from normal sized insertions. Allows you to do larger insertions with less to no penalties.
F) Enrage = Acts non-consent even at maximum submission. Causes the male to reach orgasms faster, as they are constantly trying to tighten up, resist, or dislodge them.
1) If the rate of pleasure gain is too high, she will get locked into an endless orgasm that doesn't stop until she passes out. So what happens is she reaches 100 pleasure, pleasure starts to drain, but... pleasure then stops draining and starts increasing again. But... once the game "would have" reached the orgasm point, it resets. This is especially annoying when the max arousal bar starts to increase (the tiny multicolored bars next to the pleasure meter) and then gets reset as well. And as the orgasms is where she gains submission and other effects, this makes the game really annoying without cheating.
2) Duration of Serums is related to framerate. So the screen says 120 seconds when you initiate it, but if your framerate is higher than 60, the duration is lost faster. Similarly, if you lock it to 30 fps, serums effectively last for 240 seconds. So my monitors are 75hz, so I lock it at 75 fps. Every 4th real-time second, the game consumes 2 seconds of the duration (so every 4 real seconds = -5 duration seconds as its 1.25 seconds consumed per real-second).
3) Lactation promotion lasts for 60 seconds. Only serum that does that.
4) You cannot insert anally when the vaginal secretion sucker is applied, despite only the labia being covered by the device.
5) The suction texture never disappears for a session. Waited 10 real-world minutes and it hadn't faded. But everything else in the game fades over time (ie cum, saliva, fluids on ground, etc). But, exiting to menu and going back to game, it does disappear.
6) It is a real pain to attach nipple suckers. You can be hovering the device over the nipple and it just won't attach. The other two devices are really easy to attach. Wish there was a button we could press to force apply the object and then it re-orients itself properly (as needed).
7) The pump deactivates the moment you remove a liquid container. So I removed the milk container, while it was still room for squirt, but the pump turned off the moment I grabbed the milk container. So lost a whole bunch of squirt. Might be nice if the squirt went into the lines, and just waited for the pump to turn back on.
8) Her body clips into the pubic hair mesh, when she struggles while you tickle her enough. Looks really weird.
9) Similar to #8, but if a dildo is penetrating her vagina, and she struggles while being tickled, the dildo mesh briefly appears around where the pubic hair is.
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Some suggestions:
-> Have her ask you to empty her breasts, when filled to the max of milk. Maybe at specific submission level.
-> Have her ask you to remove / turn off the breast pump, when she is out of milk.
-> Have a full-body orgasm effect, when hitting the highest intensity orgasm.
-> Have a taser burn mark where you apply the taser, that lasts for a bit. Hitting the same spot, deals a multiplier to fear damage.
-> Have an arousal meter that goes down some during an orgasm, but otherwise causes her to blush (face, breasts, vagina, etc), visibly wet vagina (soaks panties), and vaginal leakage. Then this arousal meter determines how potent the orgasm is. A visual indicator would be very useful for this to provide better feedback to the player.
-> Have the nipples leak a little milk, if at maximum capacity, to give a visual indicator when to milk her.
-> Have her audibly complain when you equip a specific device again, if it caused her discomfort. ie The Taser.
-> Overlarge dildos. Like 12 inches+ in length. The kind of thing "siswet" often uses. Causes a lot of pain, discomfort and fear for females that aren't ready for it.
-> New serums:
A) Stimpack = Restores health at +1.5hp per second, rapidly lowers fear and sensitivity, and causes wounds to disappear.
B) Waterworks = Severely increases amount of pee/squirt is released during an event.
C) Dehydration = Prevents squirting/pee events.
D) Gaping = Removing a dildo, penis, fingers, whatever, causes the hole to remain agape based on the size of object removed.
E) Lubrication = Increases pleasure gain from vaginal/anal from normal sized insertions. Allows you to do larger insertions with less to no penalties.
F) Enrage = Acts non-consent even at maximum submission. Causes the male to reach orgasms faster, as they are constantly trying to tighten up, resist, or dislodge them.
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I think the issue isn't the slider itself, but rather how easy it could be to "break" the slider functionality to allow content pertaining to a specific age appearance, well, harmful.
VALVe don't fuck about when it comes to content relating to "age" - I mean, they even ban games that simply IMPLY incest. Let alone display it - see "Global Network Games - Seduction" or whatever the fuck it's called. It's abandoned, have even spoken myself to the development team and have received confirmation it is such - and they still milk Patreon subs - all because VALVe said their game was too far into the "Oh no, step-bro" scene.
If a company, willing to protect shareholders and assets blocks a title - it's usually for good reason - as DKOC said himself, they have a business model, they have profits and shares to hold secure - allowing any title which could "demonstrate" abusive content in anyway shape or form, could be an absolute PR nightmare for VALVe - imagine the headlines - "FOX News : VALVe allows abusive content on platform! Governor says XXXX" etc
It could lead to larger ramifications which, down the line harm the entire gaming community - not just the adult gaming scene.
I find it more stupid and retarded when a developer simply drops development of a title SIMPLY because VALVe denied the publishing. There are so many fucking platforms which allows indie developers to share and release their works, that it's not even funny. Patreon for example should introduce a "community vote" feature in which, if a game is abandoned and the subs get not what they are promised, they get to vote as a community to shut the payments until an update is delivered - or something to that effect.
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If it was modding potential, neither Skyrim nor The Sims would be on Steam
Also breasts at 0 and the torso and leg at their minimum of 25 makes a character that looks in her early-mid teens.
The issue also with Global Games Network, is that the female acts and talks like she is an underaged teenager, which really doesn't help their situation to try to convince Steam that she is 18+. She might look like she is 18+ (in terms of boobs), but I've met girls at 16/17 in high school (back in 06, my grade year) that had large boobs, but were of course under-aged.
A PR nightmare for Steam could lead to things that led to the creation of the ESRB. For those that don't know, the Entertainment Software Ratings Board (ESRB) was originally made to allow the gaming community to monitor itself and apply censorship as needed, to ensure children didn't get access to content in video games that they shouldn't... at least in the minds of the USA Congress when they were having hearings related to all of this. Then, years later, ESRB's power over moderation has basically become nonexistent, unless you try to also get your game on Console, where they still have a lot of power. Nowadays, if you don't intend to get on Consoles, you can have whatever "hidden" rating you want in a game, and its the parent's responsibility to monitor what children play and ask for refunds from Steam if its beyond what they find acceptable. However, if it came to be known that Steam is allowing very risky content on their service, then that might result in a new type of ESRB... even more draconic and miserable than what the ESRB was like during the 90s to 2000s in gaming. Or it might result in politicians who don't play games, making harsh rules that would affect everyone. No one wants that, especially Steam, as then they'd lose access to entire markets of customers that want similar pornographic stuff.
There is a lot of different publishing platforms for independent pornographic games these days. Things like (to name a few):
-> Affect3d
-> Renderotica (to a lesser extent)
-> Itch.io
-> Indiegogo (for a funding drive to get extra capital)
-> Subscribestar (for an alternative to Patreon with fewer rules)
-> BMT Micro (many games released before Steam did anything, was on here, like Girlvania)
-> SendOwl (maybe allows pornographic, have to check their FAQ)
-> DL-Site (one that a low of Asian-made games use)
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Yes there is a desktop version when you load the game. You can choose VR or Desktop.