Thoughts on AI For Devs

[c_Stain]

Hi. I'm a developer working outside of porn spaces and I've wanted to develop a small Ren'Py project for a while. I have the story, a few voice actors who are down to contribute, as well as a musician, but I struggle finding artists who'd like to work for profit share. I respect that, of course - we all gotta eat. But I'm scraping by just like everyone else and the lack of proper art cripples me. I can, however, make really good assets using AI, which is controversial for obvious reasons. I wanted to hear from you guys, as porn gamers - would you enjoy a porn game that used AI for art generation, provided that the end result was something great and enjoyable?

 

[eaudecologne]

Of course man, we eat that shit up

 

[c_Stain]

Of course man, we eat that shit up

Got any favorites I can check out? Could be a good learning experience for me.

 

[MissCougar]

AI is here to stay. Go ahead and use it and get your idea out.

Artists are expensive, and will continue to be expensive. And it's made worse that good artists probably also have their own Patreon or something similar and get paid that way. Engaging in longer projects like a game is a tough thing to do if you aren't paying up front.

I hope you do good! <3

 

[NemesisGames]

Edit: I stand corrected, everything is important in games. They are a complex medium.

 

[c_Stain]

Wow, thank you... so much. I was hoping for a fair response, didn't think I'd get such a heartwarming one. I'll make sure to ping you guys by name in a month. <3 You've really made my day!

 

[MobBarley]

I guess it depends.

most of the time the 2d art looks exactly the same. you can tell immediatly its made with AI and it usually turns me away from games.

there are other options, such as render or other studio games from which ppl get their 3d models.

 

[_user]

People are here for the story and gameplay first, and the art second. Put your heart and soul into whatever you create, and people will appreciate it, regardless of whatever tool you use to tell the story.

That's not really true. Most of the high profile games on this websites have great visuals, now is that a hard requirement? No, but it's certainly something that instantly catches the eye.

I recommend using Daz like everyone else, aicg is very new and while it might be a good option in a few years, there's a lot of pushback against it right now.

 

[NemesisGames]

That's not really true. Most of the high profile games on this websites have great visuals, now is that a hard requirement? No, but it's certainly something that instantly catches the eye.

I recommend using Daz like everyone else, aicg is very new and while it might be a good option in a few years, there's a lot of pushback against it right now.

Remove the story and gameplay. Are they still as high profile? Remember, I didn't say that art doesn't matter--in fact, it's very important--but rather that it takes second place to story and gameplay.

 

[Living In A Lewd World]

At least for me, it's the mix of story and art, that drags me in. If I just want to look at some naked people having sex, I go and watch porn. But if the images don't turn me on (and that's not just about the models' look (I can live e.g. with HS-graphics) but mostly about the image- and scene composition) the writing needs to be exceptionally good for me to even consider becoming a Patreon.

 

[lamba]

But I'm scraping by just like everyone else and the lack of proper art cripples me. I can, however, make really good assets using AI, which is controversial for obvious reasons. I wanted to hear from you guys, as porn gamers - would you enjoy a porn game that used AI for art generation, provided that the end result was something great and enjoyable?

You would need to invest some time and effort into making decent outputs from whatever AI you're using.

Both to cover your butt and so that you can actually make decent use of the art you're creating anyways. If it gets very obvious what art you trained your ML system on, it could easily become a problem. And if it's too generic, it looks like all the other slop getting made.

But I'll also say there's no shortage of tools to use to make something without AI. Koikatsu, Honey Select 2, Blockbench, Blender, and Unreal all either let you make some basic assets or have stores that sell pre-baked assets dirt cheap.

You don't need to go the path of AI art if you don't want to, and I'd argue that as a non-artist your time would be better spent either creating cheapie assets or buying cheap, widely available ones to supplement your game. It is possible to make good AI art, but it's also a significant time sink.

 

[c_Stain]

You would need to invest some time and effort into making decent outputs from whatever AI you're using.

Both to cover your butt and so that you can actually make decent use of the art you're creating anyways. If it gets very obvious what art you trained your ML system on, it could easily become a problem. And if it's too generic, it looks like all the other slop getting made.

But I'll also say there's no shortage of tools to use to make something without AI. Koikatsu, Honey Select 2, Blockbench, Blender, and Unreal all either let you make some basic assets or have stores that sell pre-baked assets dirt cheap.

You don't need to go the path of AI art if you don't want to, and I'd argue that as a non-artist your time would be better spent either creating cheapie assets or buying cheap, widely available ones to supplement your game. It is possible to make good AI art, but it's also a significant time sink.

I don't want to buy assets because I'd be limited by them and they'd take over the whole vibe of the game. I was thinking of going deep into manual editing of assets - not "Generate girl" in SD. More like sketching (EDIT: or staging), placing, planning and then generating assets bit by bit, until I get exactly what I want. Roughly the same work an artist would do, if an artist had broken fingers. I'm THAT bad at drawing. It's unfortunate. But, I can sketch a scene, say, build a room in Google Sketch then AI gen over it to get exactly what I want.

P.S. I'm currently thinking 2D assets, Ren'Py, open world, 5 hour playtime. Think Summertime Saga, but tiny. I also have a detailed story, characters, etc.

My main two questions are about the art, and another one about the fetishes and getting approved by Patreon, but we'll cross that bridge when we get there. First, I gotta make something F95 can enjoy. For free, obv.

 

[IBreedWives]

People are here for the story and gameplay first, and the art second.

did you just pull that out of your ass or what?

i am sure it may be true for some people but others like myself could give two fucks about gameplay

i would say art is the most important aspect, followed by story (although i would say hotness of sex scenarios rather than story to be more precise) and gameplay entirely unimportant and usually a hindrance to my enjoyment

 

[NemesisGames]

did you just pull that out of your ass or what?

i am sure it may be true for some people but others like myself could give two fucks about gameplay

i would say art is the most important aspect, followed by story (although i would say hotness of sex scenarios rather than story to be more precise) and gameplay entirely unimportant and usually a hindrance to my enjoyment

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, then. The visuals are top notch, gameplay is unimportant, and the stories are really hot scenarios.

 

[IBreedWives]

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, then. The visuals are top notch, gameplay is unimportant, and the stories are really hot scenarios.

there are much better sites for porn than pornhub, i know this because i do watch porn, i also play these games and fuck women in real life imagine that being able to have multiple outlets for sexual release

if you think the scenarios of most porn scenes are really hot you must have low standards or enjoy stepfamily garbage

 

[lamba]

if you think the scenarios of most porn scenes are really hot you must have low standards or enjoy stepfamily garbage

There's a reason why reams of romance fiction involves a plain female protagonist getting approached by impossibly attractive men and not... Greg, the fat, middle aged plumber. If you just wanted the goods, you probably wouldn't be on this forum. You'd be on pornhub. Or Xvideo. Or Rule 34. Or Hentai Foundry. Or Twitter. Or e-hentai.

Since you ARE on this forum it's a safe assumption you care about things like plot, setting and gameplay. Framing it as 'art second' was probably a bit foolish but their point was that if people only cared about the visuals, they wouldn't be here. They'd be on e-hentai looking for an image rip.

 

[IBreedWives]

There's a reason why reams of romance fiction involves a plain female protagonist getting approached by impossibly attractive men and not... Greg, the fat, middle aged plumber. If you just wanted the goods, you probably wouldn't be on this forum. You'd be on pornhub. Or Xvideo. Or Rule 34. Or Hentai Foundry. Or Twitter. Or e-hentai.

Since you ARE on this forum it's a safe assumption you care about things like plot, setting and gameplay. Framing it as 'art second' was probably a bit foolish but their point was that if people only cared about the visuals, they wouldn't be here. They'd be on e-hentai looking for an image rip.

you quoted part of my previous post but clearly didnt comprehend the other part of it

you can do multiple things people, its not an either or proposition between these games or porn or real life sex

and i have no interest in hentai since im not a weeb

 

[XforU]

There are so many AI slop games that it will be hard for you to stand out unless you invest some money in a decent AI art generator that can pull off some decent stuff.

AI is by far the easiest way to make stuff so if you don't have time to learn Daz and you want to upload your game to steam, that's your only choice.

HS,Koikatsu and Skyrim stuff isn't allowed on Steam.

Real 2d art takes fucking ages.

 

[c_Stain]

There are so many AI slop games that it will be hard for you to stand out unless you invest some money in a decent AI art generator that can pull off some decent stuff.

AI is by far the easiest way to make stuff so if you don't have time to learn Daz and you want to upload your game to steam, that's your only choice.

HS,Koikatsu and Skyrim stuff isn't allowed on Steam.

Real 2d art takes fucking ages.

Why do you guys keep mentioning Daz for 2D visual novels though? I'm a bit confused.

 

[XforU]

Why do you guys keep mentioning Daz for 2D visual novels though? I'm a bit confused.

Where did you specify that you want it to be 2D? We mention Daz because 95% (if not more) of the VNs are made with Daz3d.