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morphnet

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Probably because of looking at what other appropriate reviews look like on that game.

These four are all on the first page of reviews.
Yet strangely all of those give more information about the game.

The only bit of actual review here is "it has some drama" haha:
SixtyNineGaming
I'm surprised that this VN has such a low rating. It is a good premise executed very well - I don't see why some people seem to hate it. It has some drama, but primarily, it delivers upon it's porn premise very well. I was very satisfied. The low rating does not reflect the VN. Definitely give it a try.
You missed the part about the story premise being executed well?

This talks more about other reviews than the actual game:
motseer
Looking at the other reviews it definitely appears that most either love it or hate it. Personally, I don't see anything to hate. So, I'm going to rate it high to even things out a bit. The ntr is completely avoidable if you don't like that. The renders and animations are high quality and the story telling is above average. I suppose it's possible some of the low ratings are because this is not your standard VN story. I actually applaud this. It starts slow but if you stick with it you will be rewarded.
Strange because I read them clearly telling people about the renders, animations and story too and letting people know it might not be for everyone.

Ooh one tag and a bit on the setting:
learning Japanese
I've been following this game since 0.01 and never really understood what the dev was aiming at, but just finished episode 3 and must say that this game has found a real niche in a netori dynamic, and a rural Norwegian setting. Excited to see this game thrive.
Lets people know what they might get when starting the game, gives info on game setting and contents.

Thank god the extra dots take it over the 200 characters:
kline95
Awesome renders really good job looks like a creator with quality in mind, interesting story good start also with the ex girlfriend... and the really hot girls in the hotel ... really good ... i will be waiting for more
....and yet gives good information about the game to people reading it, including renders, story and content....

All of those focus on more than one thing, include more than one aspect of the games make up and relay information that is easy and quick to read but also helpful.
Plus 2 of them give helpful warnings that "it's not your standard VN" so there's a chance you might not like it and "never really understood what the dev was aiming at" letting people know the beginning might be confusing or hard to follow.

Of course you can ignore those things if you like but no sure why when they are among the things advised in the review rules thread....

"Story, Originality, Renders, Sound, Playability, Performance, Bugs, Animations, Voice Acting, Grammar, Amount of content "
 

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Yeah you proved a point.
On a posative review you can ignore the rule breaking as it ticks some boxes on the rules thread.

On the very same negative review you critique he talked about:

References the version he is reviewing - tick

"But as of Episode 2 The Builder does nothing good with its plot" - Ah because he says the plot is BAD it isnt the same as the other reviews saying the plot is GOOD

All the stuff about pregnancy, ntr, harem - yeah it could have been said better, but it is good information on the game for the people that are specifically looking for those tags/genres about how much content there is for them and falls under "amount of content"

So he talks about the version, content and plot. well over 200 chars. but you manage to find the bits of it that you don't like and whiteknight it's deletion


then all the crap reviews (and i hopefully it was just you trying to make a point), your suggesting they are actually good?

And the funny thing is, a lot of people found his deleted review helpful, it FULFILLED its purpose of being a review.

That review from learning japanese above, no like, no reaction, crap review, but you are telling me it was a better review.
Like your opinion is right and all the people that liked the other guys review is wrong.

It's like rotten tomatoes in here, you seem to care a lot about your score, and dont want a nasty audience score getting in the way.
 

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That review is good if you are looking for a netori game based in norway.
The first and last sentence is about the reviewer which you slated in the other guys post.
and when you take away all that crap it is 130 chars long, directly breaking the thread rule:
"There is a 200 character requirement, do not attempt to bypass this by using spam or irrelevant comments."

Of course, you can ignore that if you like, but i am not quite sure why you would, it is literally rule 4 of the thread reviews.
 

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I hope not.
F95zone shoud not be old twitter.
As you can see below fried determined what he felt the positive parts of the review I listed were worth.
He didn't care what my value placed on them was.
Yes, I said, "I think a lot of people will like the game". A lot of people also have no taste and don't give a shit about plot or game play.
So clearly fried's bias toward the game here is why he took the game down.
Secondly, he takes issue with me wanting a plot or the game to have a little reason to in story flow.
Example: would be what I listed about Grampa and the neighbor.
I guess to fried those are positive aspects about a game.
It isn't the first time either for me or others.
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I chose to post this here also because of the way fried acted below. I did message fried after the post above.
I got no response.
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Rufio

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that is an unbelievable response....
Pretty sure i see loads of 5* reviews with a massive list of "cons" that don't seem to be breaking that one.

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Yeah to be fair to the mods, 2/3 deleted reviews came with PM's and mods were quick to explain why they were deleted (1 just got deleted with a warning message but no PM).
Also, with some explaining each deletion was valid if you take the rules by the letter.

But it is as you say, the positive reviews seem to stick around with the same rules broken.
If you criticize the dev - deleted, if you praise the dev - fine
If you delete everything but review and a negative review comes under 200 Chars - Deleted, positive review - fine
As you said, negative thoughts on tags/fetishes - deleted, positive - fine

To be honest, it might be the case that die hard fans of games report all negative reviews, but few people report positive ones, you can't really fault mods for that (if that is the case).

I reported some reviews on the same thread, fairly confident the reports were valid, mixed results in terms of deletion.
Well if a mod has followed a game / made a comment on a game under one of their accounts it will give them a notice when someone make a review on the game.
So there is no need for anyone to report it when the mod is a fan of the game they get an instant message.
 

morphnet

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Yeah you proved a point.
On a posative review you can ignore the rule breaking as it ticks some boxes on the rules thread.

On the very same negative review you critique he talked about:

References the version he is reviewing - tick
Nope, I didn't critique that???? I critiqued him NOT reviewing the current state of the game by claiming bait and switch he is claiming he knows the future of the game.

"But as of Episode 2 The Builder does nothing good with its plot" - Ah because he says the plot is BAD it isnt the same as the other reviews saying the plot is GOOD
Nope you left out most of that... what he ACTUALLY wrote was....
" Pregnancy is my fetish, so the idea of impregnating an entire town of horny women is extremely appealing to me. But as of Episode 2 The Builder does nothing good with its plot. "

He was reffering to pregnancy and how nothing good was done with it. That's why he wrote "it's plot" it's = pregnancy...not game plot.

All the stuff about pregnancy, ntr, harem - yeah it could have been said better, but it is good information on the game for the people that are specifically looking for those tags/genres about how much content there is for them and falls under "amount of content"
Again, nope, as I said before pregnancy and harem are late game additions usually (unless the main or sole focus of the game for pregnancy) and his "review" clearly stated there was a bait and switch, meaning no harem or pregnancy would be ingame and that is false as it was still early in the game dev and there is NO way you could know for certain they would not be added.
Basically his "review" said there WOULD not be instead of is not yet... that is a big difference.


So he talks about the version, content and plot. well over 200 chars. but you manage to find the bits of it that you don't like and whiteknight it's deletion
He mentioned the version, talked about NON-existent content NOT current state of game, parts of the plot without context but with his dislike of those parts.
It has nothing to do with what I like or don't like :rolleyes: He said he didn't break ANY rules, then admitted it wasn't objective (one rule broken) and Fixated on NTR (second rule broken) the break down I gave was just countering his arguments as to why he didn't break rules.

then all the crap reviews (and i hopefully it was just you trying to make a point), your suggesting they are actually good?
I was making a point that you only saw what you wanted too and that your point was incomplete as you left ALOT of details for each of those reviews out. As for if they were good, 2 did their jobs clearly and the other 2 should be reported.

And the funny thing is, a lot of people found his deleted review helpful, it FULFILLED its purpose of being a review.
No, just because a review gets a like does NOT mean it was helpful. It could mean others wanted pregnancy in the game ahead of time, others could like his views on NTR, others could be unhappy with the speed of the game or updates and just like a bunch of negative reviews, others have found the way he referred to the MC as funny, others could be upset the harem path wasn't getting enough content as the ntr path AND other might have found it helpful....but there is no way to know for certain if it was one of those things, some of those things or all of those things.

That review from learning japanese above, no like, no reaction, crap review, but you are telling me it was a better review.
Like your opinion is right and all the people that liked the other guys review is wrong.
Does that review give you an idea of what you might get when starting the game? yes
Does that review give you an idea of what kind of pace you could expect from the game? yes
Does that review give you an idea of how well it handles some CURRENT contents in the reviewers opinion? yes
Does that review give you an idea of the atmosphere and setting the games story takes place in? yes
Does that review give you an idea if the reviewer thinks it's worth giving the game a try? yes

Now the other "review"

Does that review give you an idea of what you might get when starting the game? nope
Does that review give you an idea of what kind of pace you could expect from the game? nope

Does that review give you an idea of how well it handles some CURRENT contents in the reviewers opinion? nope
but does say what WON'T be added...and " some simp who swore a vow of chastity because he's too on the hook to move on from the worst love interest ever. Don't make me sit through this loser cumming 3 seconds after seeing a barely exposed nipple because he's too cucked to be around women."
"swore a vow of chastity" inaccurate, "worst love interest ever" inaccurate so so giving false information...

Does that review give you an idea of the atmosphere and setting the games story takes place in? nope
Does that review give you an idea if the reviewer thinks it's worth giving the game a try? nope, because the information given is either inaccurate or completely wrong.

Does his review cover " Story, Originality, Renders, Sound, Playability, Performance, Bugs, Animations, Voice Acting, Grammar, Amount of content " ? nope

So you tell me which of those 2 is more helpful?

It's like rotten tomatoes in here, you seem to care a lot about your score, and dont want a nasty audience score getting in the way.
I can't speak for others on that but I will say this, most negative reviews are written in a terrible way and if people just stopped and thought calmly / objectively they COULD find a way to leave a negative review.

Example...

Having read Rufio's replies I find them well worded and passionate, he seems to put alot of effort and research in them.
I think with some practice and time he will be able to improve them to the point where his point is easy to see and understand.
While he made a few mistakes in reading some others replies he was open and engaging and left room for discussion although some parts did seem to convey frustration on his part.
While I don't personally agree with his points, I am sure they will strike a cord with some and help continue the discussion.
I give him 2 stars.

or

Dude, like wtf he clearly friend wit other dude. like serious. bad replies. 2 stars.

Which do you think is the better choice?
 

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I can't speak for others on that but I will say this, most negative reviews are written in a terrible way and if people just stopped and thought calmly / objectively they COULD find a way to leave a negative review.

Example...

Having read Rufio's replies I find them well worded and passionate, he seems to put alot of effort and research in them.
I think with some practice and time he will be able to improve them to the point where his point is easy to see and understand.
While he made a few mistakes in reading some others replies he was open and engaging and left room for discussion although some parts did seem to convey frustration on his part.
While I don't personally agree with his points, I am sure they will strike a cord with some and help continue the discussion.
I give him 2 stars.

or

Dude, like wtf he clearly friend wit other dude. like serious. bad replies. 2 stars.

Which do you think is the better choice?
I posted this just above https://f95zone.to/threads/thread-reviews-moderation-method-suggestions.139295/post-9536140
It has the full review and the moderators reasoning for taking it down.
This site is so bad on stuff it doesn't even have to be a review to get taken down as a bad review.
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After I pointed out this isn't a review by sending a ticket in he sends me an inappropriate behavior. Seriously.
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You got to love how he now switches to being abusive, overly aggressive, threatening or troll.
Compared to many posts on this forum this is tame.
 

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I posted this just above https://f95zone.to/threads/thread-reviews-moderation-method-suggestions.139295/post-9536140
It has the full review and the moderators reasoning for taking it down.
This site is so bad on stuff it doesn't even have to be a review to get taken down as a bad review.
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After I pointed out this isn't a review by sending a ticket in he sends me an inappropriate behavior. Seriously.
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You got to love how he now switches to being abusive, overly aggressive, threatening or troll.
Compared to many posts on this forum this is tame.
Fuck fried :giggle:
 

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Just report reviews that break the rules. I just reported a few myself.

A lot of reviews just bash the developer, which isn't a review of the game. And a lot of reviews just complain about the update size/time, which isn't a review of the game.

Personally, I think the review system needs to be reworked.

- Dedicated game reviewer role: People who can be trusted to make balanced and fair reviews. Their reviews show at the top of the list and have more weight.
- Filter reviews & rating by posted date: Pretty self explanatory, reviews of a .1 game aren't useful if the game is on update .5.

Probably more, but those are the most obvious to me.
 

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I posted this just above https://f95zone.to/threads/thread-reviews-moderation-method-suggestions.139295/post-9536140
It has the full review and the moderators reasoning for taking it down.
I read what you linked and this is just my personal take on the above link and not having played the game but the game does not seem to advertise itself as a "serious game where choices will have consequences" but more of a "pick the route to the scenes you want" game.

In your review you say that the art is good not the best but good and "what you do have is a hell of a lot of good quality fap content for those who just click the hell through everything." If that is what the game aims for then it is doing a good job of giving players "hell of a lot of good quality fap content" and so giving it a 1 star after that clearly seems to be unfair.
On a rough point scale it would look something like:

Art is good +1
story is bad -1
some character dev good +1
game play -1
quality content +1
amount of fap content +2
So a 2 or 3 star would be more fitting because of the good points you made compared to the bad points you made.

This next part is just a personal observation but you went into some details for the different things you did not like but you started to go into details with the first thing you liked, the female protag but then just stopped. You did not like the paths and explained why in detail mentioning scale, no middle ground etc, the story and how they seemed unable to add the tropes in, but you did like the art but did not explain why? good positions? enough images per scene? good angles? You liked the fap content but did not go into details? good cover of each fetish, seldom used locations? It started out balanced and then felt like it went down hill from there.

This site is so bad on stuff it doesn't even have to be a review to get taken down as a bad review.
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After I pointed out this isn't a review by sending a ticket in he sends me an inappropriate behavior. Seriously.
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You got to love how he now switches to being abusive, overly aggressive, threatening or troll.
Compared to many posts on this forum this is tame.
Compared to other posts I have seen here that is tamer but that is not really the point though. I don't know if those other posts were reported so can't really have a say on that.
 

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I posted this just above https://f95zone.to/threads/thread-reviews-moderation-method-suggestions.139295/post-9536140
It has the full review and the moderators reasoning for taking it down.
This site is so bad on stuff it doesn't even have to be a review to get taken down as a bad review.
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After I pointed out this isn't a review by sending a ticket in he sends me an inappropriate behavior. Seriously.
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You got to love how he now switches to being abusive, overly aggressive, threatening or troll.
Compared to many posts on this forum this is tame.
We have different selections for Warning types and sometimes will select the wrong one on a first try. It happens and in this case was corrected. Nothing mysterious here, just my initial mistake.

As you can see below fried determined what he felt the positive parts of the review I listed were worth.
He didn't care what my value placed on them was.
Yes, I said, "I think a lot of people will like the game". A lot of people also have no taste and don't give a shit about plot or game play.
So clearly fried's bias toward the game here is why he took the game down.
Secondly, he takes issue with me wanting a plot or the game to have a little reason to in story flow.
Example: would be what I listed about Grampa and the neighbor.
I guess to fried those are positive aspects about a game.
It isn't the first time either for me or others.
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Continuing on the "they're out to get me" tour, if you offer enough admitted positives in your review - with some downsides - then a "1" rating is not representing what you've offered. In that case, it sounds more like bias against the game vs an objective review. You also expected the game to be something it was not advertised to be, which again gets at your own biases going into the game+review - this happens quite often, actually.

You could offer a rewrite which still brings out most of your up+downsides with an appropriate star rating, it's always an option.
 
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In that case, it sounds more like bias against the game vs an objective review. You also expected the game to be something it was not advertised to be, which again gets at your own biases going into the game+review - this happens quite often, actually.

You could offer a rewrite which still brings out most of your up+downsides with an appropriate star rating, it's always an option.
Bias against a game.
You mean the formulation of an opinion that some people might not agree with or consider unfair.
Example:
You don't give a shit about plot where I do. So you think it is unfair I made a judgement on it.
Or that I am concerned about the game following some sort of logic. Like if she won't flash her tits even to someone she isn't going to go jumping in the sack with 2 different guys before that.
Because people don't suddenly jump to the extreme end of a spectrum to start dip their toes in the water.

As to rewrites:
You and other mods have all made it clear you don't allow it! It's been suggested in the tickets I submitted and you can even find it in posts were others and I made this point before.

If you want us to rewrite something maybe come up with a soft take down choice that allows the person to edit it and then be clear on your specific issue.

To be clear. In my ticked last time you all did this. I used the line from the movie about maybe I should just wait to see your reviews so I can copy them since having my own opinion isn't allowed.

The game got 1 star because the art was good.
The game play is shit so it didn't get a star for that.
Why I said that:
1. The game is made into an open world but there is little point in it being so. You can't start any of the other jobs until you reach a point in other ones. So you have no ability to go and just look for a job to work or anything. In short this game is more suited for renpy in the way it plays. The map is a complete waste.
If you want to see a good use of RPGM look at claire's quest. You might not realize it but about 1/3 of the game play is tied to the map itself. I can't mention stuff like that in the reviews because you can't mention other games.
2. The systems that use the nacklace for example and her stats have effect some instance and non in others that are noticeable. It's like he got lazy and chose to just not give a shit about it.

The plot is shit. So no star for that.
1. I already gave examples of the plot hole regarding out of order behavior (Gramps & Neighbor).
2. When you go from one story line over to others the consistency in how slutty she acts can go backwards.
The hospital, convience store, photo shoots ... All have unaligned slut levels. So you can have issues of her not wanting to do stuff that is mild compared to what she just did.

Character development:
The only character in this game that shows an consistent behavior and development in a weird way is Melvin.
He behaves as you expect up until near the one plot ending were basically he treats her rather decently because maybe he is in love with her or just getting what he wants.
The fiance who loves her so much suddenly prioritizes work over her.
His partner is suddenly willing to stab him in the back and fuck his fiance.
The rest of the characters are just who they are portrayed as they don't grow in anyway over the game.

The MC is the worst developed character I seen in a while. She is becoming more and more sluttier. But you don't see the drop off of how she is concerned about being with her fiance. You don't see or hear the need for sexual changes or urges... Nope it's I love my fiance a minute later she is fucking several guys on the nudest beach. She gets fucked by a guy at the apartment she didn't agree to does she get up set? Hardly.

Fap content:
The amount of fap content isn't as much as it appears. You spend more time traveling place to place than anything. So it makes it feel like there is more. In truth the game has less than a lot of games. It in truth has maybe around 40 scenes most of which are not even repeatable. You are also forced to replay over again from different save points to see all the content. Which is exactly what I did.

So yes I developed a bias, based on the actual game design, the way it works and the problems it has, content, plot,art... It earned the bias.
1. You seem to want to paint it as I formed bias out of now were.
There are no such thing as anti-fanboys.
There are fanboys like yourself who love a product and people who don't.
There are no people who magically don't like or hate a product that don't have a reason for it.

Take Linux and Windows you have fan boys on both sides and you have people who are neutral.
What you don't have is people who don't like the other product without reason.

This game is nothing but a product a poorly made product at best. Even in amateur standard it sucks.

A good review is one where a person shares their opinion(bias) with facts to back it up.
I was honest about my opinion of the game I gave even examples of why I rated it the way I did.
I stated that a people will still like it. That's primarily because I know how many people this site care more about skipping dialog and just fapping. I think the lot of you would be better served with slide shows.
 
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Bias against a game.
You mean the formulation of an opinion that some people might not agree with or consider unfair.
Example:
You don't give a shit about plot where I do. So you think it is unfair I made a judgement on it.
Or that I am concerned about the game following some sort of logic. Like if she won't flash her tits even to someone she isn't going to go jumping in the sack with 2 different guys before that.
Because people don't suddenly jump to the extreme end of a spectrum to start dip their toes in the water.

As to rewrites:
You and other mods have all made it clear you don't allow it! It's been suggested in the tickets I submitted and you can even find it in posts were others and I made this point before.

If you want us to rewrite something maybe come up with a soft take down choice that allows the person to edit it and then be clear on your specific issue.

To be clear. In my ticked last time you all did this. I used the line from the movie about maybe I should just wait to see your reviews so I can copy them since having my own opinion isn't allowed.

The game got 1 star because the art was good.
The game play is shit so it didn't get a star for that.
Why I said that:
1. The game is made into an open world but there is little point in it being so. You can't start any of the other jobs until you reach a point in other ones. So you have no ability to go and just look for a job to work or anything. In short this game is more suited for renpy in the way it plays. The map is a complete waste.
If you want to see a good use of RPGM look at claire's quest. You might not realize it but about 1/3 of the game play is tied to the map itself. I can't mention stuff like that in the reviews because you can't mention other games.
2. The systems that use the nacklace for example and her stats have effect some instance and non in others that are noticeable. It's like he got lazy and chose to just not give a shit about it.

The plot is shit. So no star for that.
1. I already gave examples of the plot hole regarding out of order behavior (Gramps & Neighbor).
2. When you go from one story line over to others the consistency in how slutty she acts can go backwards.
The hospital, convience store, photo shoots ... All have unaligned slut levels. So you can have issues of her not wanting to do stuff that is mild compared to what she just did.

Character development:
The only character in this game that shows an consistent behavior and development in a weird way is Melvin.
He behaves as you expect up until near the one plot ending were basically he treats her rather decently because maybe he is in love with her or just getting what he wants.
The fiance who loves her so much suddenly prioritizes work over her.
His partner is suddenly willing to stab him in the back and fuck his fiance.
The rest of the characters are just who they are portrayed as they don't grow in anyway over the game.

The MC is the worst developed character I seen in a while. She is becoming more and more sluttier. But you don't see the drop off of how she is concerned about being with her fiance. You don't see or hear the need for sexual changes or urges... Nope it's I love my fiance a minute later she is fucking several guys on the nudest beach. She gets fucked by a guy at the apartment she didn't agree to does she get up set? Hardly.

Fap content:
The amount of fap content isn't as much as it appears. You spend more time traveling place to place than anything. So it makes it feel like there is more. In truth the game has less than a lot of games. It in truth has maybe around 40 scenes most of which are not even repeatable. You are also forced to replay over again from different save points to see all the content. Which is exactly what I did.

So yes I developed a bias, based on the actual game design, the way it works and the problems it has, content, plot,art... It earned the bias.
1. You seem to want to paint it as I formed bias out of now were.
There are no such thing as anti-fanboys.
There are fanboys like yourself who love a product and people who don't.
There are no people who magically don't like or hate a product that don't have a reason for it.

Take Linux and Windows you have fan boys on both sides and you have people who are neutral.
What you don't have is people who don't like the other product without reason.

This game is nothing but a product a poorly made product at best. Even in amateur standard it sucks.

A good review is one where a person shares their opinion(bias) with facts to back it up.
I was honest about my opinion of the game I gave even examples of why I rated it the way I did.
I stated that a people will still like it. That's primarily because I know how many people this site care more about skipping dialog and just fapping. I think the lot of you would be better served with slide shows.
It doesn't get one star because the art was good. It gets one star because it exists.

The art being good gives it at least another star, especially since you mentioned that point more than once. So, yes: you obviously decided to piss on the game for whatever reason and while it's OK to not like it, sending mixed signals in your review makes that an unclear message. That doesn't really help other people trying to get ideas about the game.

It's pretty typical for beleaguered Reviewers to blame site staff for fanboyism, etc. It's a feeble strawman: I never saw the game until hitting upon your review Report.

Instead of defending your original review to the death and considering our simple rules, you have decided to play the victim. Only some minor changes would be needed to pass, in this case. The choice is still yours: the review remains taken down unless and until you decide that practicality is a better path.
 

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It doesn't get one star because the art was good. It gets one star because it exists.

The art being good gives it at least another star, especially since you mentioned that point more than once. So, yes: you obviously decided to piss on the game for whatever reason and while it's OK to not like it, sending mixed signals in your review makes that an unclear message. That doesn't really help other people trying to get ideas about the game.

It's pretty typical for beleaguered Reviewers to blame site staff for fanboyism, etc. It's a feeble strawman: I never saw the game until hitting upon your review Report.

Instead of defending your original review to the death and considering our simple rules, you have decided to play the victim. Only some minor changes would be needed to pass, in this case. The choice is still yours: the review remains taken down unless and until you decide that practicality is a better path.
1 star is because it exists.
Don't remember reading that in the forum rules. Seems like you are projecting your shit on everyone else.
The site mechanics leave you with the minimal 1 star.
But that isn't the intent. I can say that because the average rating allows for less than 1 star.
In fact there are 431 pages of games. From page 328 to 431 when ordered by star rating there is 1 game over 1 star.
That means 23.9% of the games on here didn't even rate a full star.

So it is purely a effect of bad site mechanics in this system it exists this way.
Maybe, if they allowed users to select numerically such as 0 to 5 it would have been more accurate of intent.
But they didn't so we are stuck with it unless someone decides to fix it.

To compensate for it. I don't bother playing or rating a game that hasn't got art worth a star.
That means the first star is for art.

Existing isn't a reason to be praised or rewarded. I don't give participation trophies you have to earn them.

But lets take a deeper look into your great idea of the first star is for existing. We already know that isn't the case otherwise there shouldn't be a game on the site that has less than 1 star. But well examine it anyway. You know for shits and giggles.
So if the first star is for existing then we really just have a 4 star rating system.
Then why bother having a 5 star system?
Is it just to inflate the games appearance? If so why don't all the games have a star?
What about all the ratings that others gave basing it on a 5 star system.


"It's pretty typical for beleaguered Reviewers to blame site staff for fanboyism, etc. It's a feeble strawman: I never saw the game until hitting upon your review Report."
I'm not blaming site staff for shit. I am blaming just you for your actions.

Not defending my original post:
https://f95zone.to/threads/thread-reviews-moderation-method-suggestions.139295/post-9537585
Like I didn't just expand on that post there.

This was you response just prior:
Continuing on the "they're out to get me" tour, if you offer enough admitted positives in your review - with some downsides - then a "1" rating is not representing what you've offered. In that case, it sounds more like bias against the game vs an objective review. You also expected the game to be something it was not advertised to be, which again gets at your own biases going into the game+review - this happens quite often, actually.

You could offer a rewrite which still brings out most of your up+downsides with an appropriate star rating, it's always an option.

You start off first line trying to dictate what values I assign each item.
Which is why I broke it the hell down in that post linked above so you know star for star.
You then come back with trying to dictate your own policy that doesn't even match the sites. There is no 1 star for existing.
That is your own made up crap trying to cover for your behavior in this.
The last line above is garbage. The site mods and admins have made it clear that isn't an option unless they are changing policies today on it.
46 out of 57 lines of that last post was reinforcing the original post and why it got a 1.
That's 81 % roughly.

Let me make it entirely clear you are the one who started the shit making the accusation I formed a bias out of no place.
So yep I called you out as a fanboy.
Think about a bit. You accused me of forming a bias against the game. Yet what reason would I have to have a bias against it. Hell I listed it had positive attributes. I'm a fan of the art style, the characters are good, even the types of content would be my choice.
So why the hell would I just be against it. Well a rational person would go well what does he see wrong with it.
I listed what I felt was wrong with it. You apparently think everyone though should work by your scale a scale not even supported by the site.
Not just that you seem to also think well I should be of the same mind as you when it comes to the value each thing is assigned.
Some stuff you consider a positive attribute not everyone does.

You are the type of guy who likes getting to certain scenes a lot faster and is impatient with reading the dialog.
Yea, I know that for a fact because the attention to detail you give to reading posts even.
You focus in on just what you want to see. Other wise you wouldn't have missed the fact that 80% of that post was defending the original.

I don't think you are against me. I just think you abuse the power someone entrusted you with.
I'm not the only person you done stuff like this to on the site after all.
 
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"Nope you left out most of that... what he ACTUALLY wrote was....
" Pregnancy is my fetish, so the idea of impregnating an entire town of horny women is extremely appealing to me. But as of Episode 2 The Builder does nothing good with its plot. "

He was reffering to pregnancy and how nothing good was done with it. That's why he wrote "it's plot" it's = pregnancy...not game plot."

I don't know how you could assume that it's = pregancy and not it's = the game, and so confidently, no wonder you are so good at patronising everyone, you know what they mean more than they do!

"Again, nope, as I said before pregnancy and harem are late game additions usually (unless the main or sole focus of the game for pregnancy) and his "review" clearly stated there was a bait and switch, meaning no harem or pregnancy would be ingame and that is false as it was still early in the game dev and there is NO way you could know for certain they would not be added.
Basically his "review" said there WOULD not be instead of is not yet... that is a big difference."

His review does not say there would not be anything, another huge assumption.
And the tags are meant to be for current content, otherwise they should be shown as planned content.
If the game has the wrong tags worth mentioning in the review for people looking for said tags.



"He mentioned the version, talked about NON-existent content NOT current state of game, parts of the plot without context but with his dislike of those parts.
It has nothing to do with what I like or don't like :rolleyes: He said he didn't break ANY rules, then admitted it wasn't objective (one rule broken) and Fixated on NTR (second rule broken) the break down I gave was just countering his arguments as to why he didn't break rules."

If reviews should be deleted for not being about the current state of the game, should we report the 100's of reviews from "where it all began" because they are from the previous version before the remake, a completely different games?
Strange take, defeats the purpose of having the thread guideline about showing what update you are reviewing.
but you seem to be a bit of an expert so i would probably agree with you there.


"I was making a point that you only saw what you wanted too and that your point was incomplete as you left ALOT of details for each of those reviews out. As for if they were good, 2 did their jobs clearly and the other 2 should be reported."

I didn't only see what i wanted, i was highlighting worse reviews that remained on the game thread, because you were so baffled as to how he thought his review was acceptable.
then your response was saying that each one was good, i am happy you back peddled now, but that wasn't your first response was it.



"No, just because a review gets a like does NOT mean it was helpful. It could mean others wanted pregnancy in the game ahead of time, others could like his views on NTR, others could be unhappy with the speed of the game or updates and just like a bunch of negative reviews, others have found the way he referred to the MC as funny, others could be upset the harem path wasn't getting enough content as the ntr path AND other might have found it helpful....but there is no way to know for certain if it was one of those things, some of those things or all of those things."

It doesnt mean it was helpful, some people just liked it because they wanted one of the tags in the game which he highlighted were not in the game... which somehow in your head is not helpful?
You are assuming everyone that likes this negative review does so for the wrong reason.
At this point you might as well right everyones review for them, then tell people how and why they should like it.
Go a step further, delete all the ones you don't like.... oh wait.


" I've been following this game since 0.01 and never really understood what the dev was aiming at, but just finished episode 3 and must say that this game has found a real niche in a netori dynamic, and a rural Norwegian setting. Excited to see this game thrive"

Does that review give you an idea of what you might get when starting the game? yes - norwegian netori?
Does that review give you an idea of what kind of pace you could expect from the game? yes - if you can get that from the above review you are wearing rose tinted glasses
Does that review give you an idea of how well it handles some CURRENT contents in the reviewers opinion? yes - Again really reading into the review, it says it has a netori dynamic, you can assume he likes it, but anything more and you should apply that to the negative reviews and assume they are all giving an idea how the game is handling some current contents.
Does that review give you an idea of the atmosphere and setting the games story takes place in? yes It says the setting, not the atmosphere
Does that review give you an idea if the reviewer thinks it's worth giving the game a try? yes - like the negative ones suggest the game isn't worth giving the game a try

Now the other "review"

Does that review give you an idea of what you might get when starting the game? nope - He says what you won't get against the games tags, equally as useful
Does that review give you an idea of what kind of pace you could expect from the game? nope - does every review need to?
Does that review give you an idea of how well it handles some CURRENT contents in the reviewers opinion? nope- it does DOES against the version he is REVEIWING which he STATES CLEARLY
but does say what WON'T be added...and " some simp who swore a vow of chastity because he's too on the hook to move on from the worst love interest ever. Don't make me sit through this loser cumming 3 seconds after seeing a barely exposed nipple because he's too cucked to be around women." - he talks about his opinion of the MC and you read he is saying the game will never have content, massively over reaching on your part.
"swore a vow of chastity" inaccurate, "worst love interest ever" inaccurate so so giving false information... - You want to report every review that uses a metaphor or hyperbole?
"Best game ever"! - "Hactually this is not the best game ever, that is misinformation, you exagerated" - Morphnet

Does that review give you an idea of the atmosphere and setting the games story takes place in? nope and doesnt need to
Does that review give you an idea if the reviewer thinks it's worth giving the game a try? nope, because the information given is either inaccurate or completely wrong. - you honestly, after his whole review, think it is even slightly ambiguous whether the reviewer thinks people should give this game a try? this response in particular detracts your credibility, you have made MASSIVE assumptions on what the reviewer means/thought, yet you can't possibly read from it whether he thinks it's worth giving it a try.

Does his review cover " Story, Originality, Renders, Sound, Playability, Performance, Bugs, Animations, Voice Acting, Grammar, Amount of content " ?
Story - yes - plot
Amount of content - yes number of scenes, content of three different tags

So you tell me which of those 2 is more helpful?
Obciously it depends, because you managed turn a 2 sentance review into a fountain of helpful info, but deduced nothing from a massive review.
I personally think his review was more helpful and the majority of people would agree, and they would do so to reacting to each review... that spoke for itself



I can't speak for others on that but I will say this, most negative reviews are written in a terrible way and if people just stopped and thought calmly / objectively they COULD find a way to leave a negative review.

Example...

Having read Rufio's replies I find them well worded and passionate, he seems to put alot of effort and research in them.
I think with some practice and time he will be able to improve them to the point where his point is easy to see and understand.
While he made a few mistakes in reading some others replies he was open and engaging and left room for discussion although some parts did seem to convey frustration on his part.
While I don't personally agree with his points, I am sure they will strike a cord with some and help continue the discussion.
I give him 2 stars.

or

Dude, like wtf he clearly friend wit other dude. like serious. bad replies. 2 stars.

Which do you think is the better choice? - You are right the detailed paragraph is much better than the 2 sentence response, and i say that even though i don't agree with the paragraph, but the reviewer is entitled to his opinion.
Seems to mirror the reviews we were talking about very closely too.

"although some parts did seem to convey frustration on his part." -
This must be in response to:
" Of course you can ignore those things if you like but no sure why when they are among the things advised in the review rules thread.... "
Don't worry, i didn't take offense and could understand your reason for being condescending. Kudos for bringing it up rather than focusing on a direct response to it