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Netorare is a man getting cucked.
Netori is a woman getting cucked.
Netorase is a person actively letting themself to be cucked. (Usually a man but I'm a devout follower of equality)
Err, what? No, it's entirely down to POV and territory. NTR is territory-based, not possession-based like Cuckoldry/Cheating/Swinging/Swapping are. That's why it can happen even to people not officially a couple. You even forgot the 4th one, Netoraru.
Netorare is from the POV of someone having their territory invaded without their knowledge or consent.
Netori is from the POV of someone invading someone else's territory with out without that person's knowledge or consent.
Netorase is from the POV of someone allowing their territory to be invaded with both their knowledge and consent.
Netoraru is from the POV of a third party watching someone else's territory get invaded.
Netoraru Examples:
Think sex-pervert in the bushes under the window, watching some other guy's wife/sister gets fucked by another man. Or a crime boss that sits in his chair and watches as they force a man to watch his wife/sister get fucked by underlings.
This game is more Cheating than anything. (POV of someone cheating on their SO.)
Source: I have a Netoraru fetish.
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寝 - Ne = sleep
とられ - Torare = taken
とり - Tori = taking
とらせ - Torase = Letting (to take)
Source: Japanese language.
He's somewhat right about the POV/territory thing. Never heard of Netoraru though.
Netorare POV or focus on the MC who gets NTR'd. Focus on the stolen getting fucked's mental state is also something that falls here.
Netori POV or focus on the MC who takes the stolen.
Netorase is less of a POV thing and more of the knowledge that it is happening with the consent of the cuck. More of a vanilla cuckold situation as it's known in the West.
The Japanese is actually advantageous to the explanation that he gave anyway since they are saying the same things. Source: I'm also a reader of Japanese.
Ehhh, I feel like you're trying to mash Cuckoldry into NTR terms too much. Also, the focus on the mental state thing is a commonly seen trope, but not a necessity of Netorare.
The weird thing about Cuckoldry is that it's such a vague, yet specific term it basically applies to Netorare, Netori, Netoraru, Cheating, Swinging, and Swapping all at once, but also not at all, sometimes at the same time, but also never at the same time, and only very situationally.
Honestly, the more I think about the whole NTR thing, the more I think the word Cuckoldry is where the real confusion is coming from.
Its got way too much circumstantial shit that requires a whole dissertation to explain how it interacts with the other terms. While the others are super concise and super clear once mapped out. Feels like it would be easier to just ignore the word "Cuckoldry" entirely since it doesn't even do anything the other words don't collectively cover. That one word turns the whole thing into the worst game of multi-lingual Telephone.
Netoraru isn't talked about much. The best chance of you actually hearing about it is being actively involved in several Japanese circles and pick it up by chance. It seems rare that anyone who spends much of their time in western circles ever hears of it. Netoraru-ists are like the unicorns of the NTR community in terms of their rarity.
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The only time I actually said cuckold is talking about Netorase though. The one that is most analogous to it in porn because it's about willingly letting your lover be taken/used. I know cuckold has multiple meanings, but the context. Hell I also avoided using words like lover and shit because I do know you can have your mother taken, or have a platonic friendship NTR'd. It's why I said you had a point in your territory thing. Finally I was just pointing out that female focused stories where they are stolen away fall under Netorare because those stories are still usually labeled NTR, and that they usually focus on her mental state or the situations since those stories usually don't focus much on either guy besides the sex.
Also I get Netoraru less and less the more I think about it, because to me it just sounds like voyeurism but with a very specific situation. But whatever floats your boat I guess.
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Yeah I tldr'd after his first sentence, so my bad lol. He's overcomplicating things, not to mention netoraru thing is basically nonexistent term, so I assumed he was just a retard.
I genuinely think they just mistook this circles name(
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) as being a genre of NTR as some of their stuff seems to kinda fall under what they're describing if you squint.Like the only other thing I've seen it used in is this game(
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) that uses this katakana for it(ネトラル) and searching that doesn't seem to really show any results that would lead me to believe it's an actual thing.I've had it and known of it years before that circle ever existed. I've had it since 2009. That circle started in 2015. I know it was 2009 because that's when Valssu's Knight of Ratatosk doujin came out and that was the doujin that gave me the fetish. A fetish for watching someone else get NTR'd by someone else. I've had the fetish longer than F95 has existed.
You're just only gonna find conversation about it on parts of JP web Google can't help you with like 2chan. The only western site I remember having discussion about Netoraru was Hongfire, but that site's entirely gone now.
Meanwhile, there is no reason to have a tag or cater to it since a Netoraru fetishist can enjoy any NTR just fine by simply not self-inserting into any of the characters.
Just because its not on a site like UrbanDictionary, a popular tag on porn sites, or the first page of Google doesn't mean the word doesn't exist. You people need to check out non-English web sometime.
Its fucking hilarious to me that people on a porn site of all things are trying to argue with someone about whether or not my fetish physically exists like they know my dick better than I do. I bet if I tried to say my eyes are purple, you'd all start pulling out human genome research papers and try to disprove the possibility that humans can have purple eyes. (They in fact can, even if rare. Just like Netoraru.) And I'm the one overcomplicating this?
Ya'll need to learn to stop turning everything on the internet into an argument, lol.
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You know you could just provide some examples of it being used to describe content or at the very least what it's written like in Japanese so people could look into it at least to prove what you're saying is like true right? Like looking at Valssu's dlsite page the only Symphonia centered doujin I can see released around 2009 is DREAM REALIZE but that's from Marta's perspective which doesn't really line up with what you're describing, is it one of the stories included in RJ056866 or RJ056340 or is it just not on dlsite? And to be clear I don't really get why you reacted so hostilely I never once said the stuff you're into doesn't exist or was even hostile towards you in my original post as there's tons of NTR themed games and JAV that what you describe could apply to but I've just never once seen them described or tagged as "netoraru" and all I did was just posit that you might've mistaken something else like a doujin circles name for being a category of NTR.
Like put yourself in my perspective where without any context other than taking what you say at face value what would you think is more likely, that someone happens to have what's portrayed as being a categorized fetish that's extremely obscure to the point they're the only person you've ever seen talk about it in English and it doesn't seem to be listed even on sites like pixiv where users make tags for extremely obscure fetishes and situations or that they just misunderstood something?
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The real term for what he was describing for "nEToRarU" is BSS (Boku ga Saki ni Suki datta noni) which translates to "even though I liked them first". A situation where the cuck doesn't actually have a relationship with their crush/love interest but still like to watch them get fucked by another person. So the crush is not exactly "stolen" as Netorare implies. The cuck is just losing the race to the pussy.
