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To be honest, I'm tired of seeing people complaining about AI. I don't like games made with AI either, but instead of whining about it everywhere, I just choose not to play them.
Tired of AI slop?
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Because people making those comments are breaking the rules. The game thread is for discussion of the game. Site tagging or how the site tags IS NOT a game discussion. If people think a game is tagged incorrectly they are supposed to use the report function NOT discuss the site in a game thread!
My biggest malfunction with A.I. is on youtube, games don't make much of an impact to me, but my feed on youtube is inundated with A.I. slop, and it's not like they're not easy to spot either. Don't get me started on youtube shorts where 7 out of ten videos as of late are A.I.
That story of a mechanic looks cool, start listening, within 3 minutes there are three plot holes because the owner of the channel never read the script that was A.I. generated, he or she just put in the prompts, then went to fap to A.I. porn while the LLM wrote the story, auto posted it to youtube and began the second story before the first was complete. Then all the copycats, see a video on a kid being banned from a wedding for not loaning his car to his sister, wait a day and there will be three more channels posting the exact same story word for word with only the names changed. All LLM/A.I. channels.
As for games, I guess I don't care enough about adult games to find issues with it. People have been using computers to generate pictures for games for quite a while now. Now that an LLM can help write code and make pictures, it lets people like me who can't code or draw make a game. I don't have an issue with it as long as there is a real person actually proof reading and editing the game to fix stuff. Not like on youtube where the owner of the channel does nothing. Watched another video that was basically a guide on how to fully automate your channel on youtube so you don't have to do much of anything. If games become like that, then I'll take issue.
That story of a mechanic looks cool, start listening, within 3 minutes there are three plot holes because the owner of the channel never read the script that was A.I. generated, he or she just put in the prompts, then went to fap to A.I. porn while the LLM wrote the story, auto posted it to youtube and began the second story before the first was complete. Then all the copycats, see a video on a kid being banned from a wedding for not loaning his car to his sister, wait a day and there will be three more channels posting the exact same story word for word with only the names changed. All LLM/A.I. channels.
As for games, I guess I don't care enough about adult games to find issues with it. People have been using computers to generate pictures for games for quite a while now. Now that an LLM can help write code and make pictures, it lets people like me who can't code or draw make a game. I don't have an issue with it as long as there is a real person actually proof reading and editing the game to fix stuff. Not like on youtube where the owner of the channel does nothing. Watched another video that was basically a guide on how to fully automate your channel on youtube so you don't have to do much of anything. If games become like that, then I'll take issue.
It's already like that lol. AI images, AI animation, LLM written story, vibe coded template, LLM written overview. Even the patreon update posts are written by LLM.
I'm talking about Taptus and his bazillion alt accounts of course. Not all devs using Ai are that shitty though. It depends on how much human touch and quality assurance actually goes into it.
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Mine is not. You know that YouTube algorithm uses your watch history as a basis on what to recommend to you, right? So you are watching things which the algorithm thinks makes you interested in watching the content you are complaining about.
"Watched another..."
I rest my case.
I don't really mind some AI visualy personally if it's used moderately and the dev actually builds on it or modifies it somewhat, but the morality and how it is concieved is proper deplorable and most AI games look absolutely the same and it just bloats the forum so the devs that actually spend years developing their game and it's harder to discover them.
I think it's a bit of a deeper issue than just purely to ban AI, like a game made purely and exclusively with AI, sure I agree, a game that was assisted with AI in certain aspects and we can disscus which are more acceptable or if they aren't at all depending on y'alls opinion so a line can be drawn.
Speaking for myself I enjoy learning and creating even at my early stage so I definately don't see the need for AI for myself, but some workflow help for some devs to make the updates quicker could be a negotiable for some useres.
I think it's a bit of a deeper issue than just purely to ban AI, like a game made purely and exclusively with AI, sure I agree, a game that was assisted with AI in certain aspects and we can disscus which are more acceptable or if they aren't at all depending on y'alls opinion so a line can be drawn.
Speaking for myself I enjoy learning and creating even at my early stage so I definately don't see the need for AI for myself, but some workflow help for some devs to make the updates quicker could be a negotiable for some useres.
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"but the morality and how it is concieved is proper deplorable"
as apposed to?
"most AI games look absolutely the same"
and all daz, KK, HS 1 or HS 2 games look completely different from each other?
"it just bloats the forum so the devs that actually spend years developing their game and it's harder to discover them."
There are many systems and filters that allow people to discover games e.g. simply excluding ai cg is just one of those option.
If that is the case, what do you say to the people that request and enjoy those games? They can't download them or play them because you don't like them or don't agree with them?
Does that mean you and the others who share your view support the payment processors banning incest, rape, non-con, bestiality etc. games? Because what you and the others are calling for is censorship.
You and the others seem to be sharing a misconception, the staff, mods etc. of this site do not make decisions based on peoples opinions. The only ones who have a say on "where the line is drawn" is the admin, staff here.
If it only were that easy...
The YouTube algorithm is pretty dogshit and from time to time some random stuff slips in and can even flood your recommendations just because it got popular enough to overwrite your algorithm. You won't believe how much political crap I get, even though I never click on stuff like that or anything even remotely related to it.
Not to mention that one missclick can fuck up your algorithm too.
But that isn't even the worst part of AI and YouTube, because for several months now YouTube has a fucking Auto AI Voice Translation that is activated by default, as soon as you watch a video that differs from your language settings or browser default. You have to manually disable it separately for each video you watch.
Content creators can deactivate it when they upload a video, but old videos have it still activated and not every uploader deactivates it anyway.
This makes watching videos pretty annoying if you are multilingual.
Yeah I know, this has nothing to do with was mentioned above, but it's still AI.
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I do not experience what you are. I'm not saying mine is the norm and yours is unusual or the reverse -- but I am saying that user habits are a significant determining factor. You may not think you are watching things that may trigger more political videos suggested for you, but something(s) you are watching are a motivating factor for doing so. I do watch certain presenters who have political views - but I get zero political recommendations. And for those of you who have seen me in other threads know that I have two decades of political experience, campaigns and governance.If it only were that easy...
The YouTube algorithm is pretty dogshit and from time to time some random stuff slips in and can even flood your recommendations just because it got popular enough to overwrite your algorithm. You won't believe how much political crap I get, even though I never click on stuff like that or anything even remotely related to it.
Not to mention that one missclick can fuck up your algorithm too.
But that isn't even the worst part of AI and YouTube, because for several months now YouTube has a fucking Auto AI Voice Translation that is activated by default, as soon as you watch a video that differs from your language settings or browser default. You have to manually disable it separately for each video you watch.
Content creators can deactivate it when they upload a video, but old videos have it still activated and not every uploader deactivates it anyway.
This makes watching videos pretty annoying if you are multilingual.
Yeah I know, this has nothing to do with was mentioned above, but it's still AI.
For example, Here are the front page recommendations from YouTube:
I would say about 90% of these are things I am subscribed/interested in and I can understand the recommendations for the other 10%. No "AI slop" and nothing that seems to overwrite the algorithm.
As for misclicking - you can go into your watch history and delete those, you know, to remove those from consideration in future recommendations or the ones where you simply hovered over the recommendation for more than a few seconds, prompting the preview to load and show. You can, in your settings, disable video previews that may, as a result, skew your recommendations:
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I would also recommend looking at your data in YouYube to see if you should delete search history (which is also used in the algorithm) and modify other settings:
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I also have uBlock Origin Lite active on YouTube... Don't know if that helps with my algorithm, etc. Turning it off, I see 5 ads plus the banner at the top. Everything else is subscriptions or good recommendations for me. I wonder if hovering for a significant time over the ads also influences the algorithm...
I do not watch many videos that are not in my language - so I am not experienced in the auto AI voice translation. I have had Amazon Prime Video turn on AI audio translations without my prompting, however.
Edit to add: Oh, and if the errant recommendation does pop up - I use these options to teach the algorithm better (but I haven't used either in a very long time, can't remember the last time).
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What I've noticed the past few years, similarly to other movements like Just Stop Oil and the like, the "support", or really indifference towards AI increases the more annoying those that are against it are. I started off firmly against it because all the games with AI art looked exactly the same, was hastily and shittily put together, and had absolutely no vision other than "here are tits, give me money". At that point, I completely blocked the tag, and spent a comfy year or so forgetting this site even allowed it.
Then as people started to lose their fucking minds at the mere suggestion of AI, and ruin artist's livelihoods on Twitter/Bluesky by claiming, with absolutely no evidence, that the person was using AI, and absolutely refusing to back down no matter how much the artist proved, with sketches, roughs, concepts, etc, that they weren't using AI, I thought "Man I kind of don't want to be associated with these people", and started looking at it from an objective lens.
So now you have people who look at a single store bought asset that may have been generated with AI but was immediately replaced because it was always meant to be a placeholder in Expedition 33, but still shit their diapers and start accusing the game of being AI slop, desperate to find further use of "maybe AI????". Then Larian saying "We're experimenting with AI but haven't found it useful for anything but busywork nobody wants to do", causing yet another screeching outcry and shitflinging session because he included "concept art" in that list, even thought it's the artists that are using it, but he's not forcing or advocating for it at all.
In short, if you don't cull your crazies, the normal people are going to just choose to sit on the sidelines. AI isn't the messiah that shareholders and big tech want it to be, nor the antichrist that people on social media think it is. It's a tool that most people are bad at using, and others have no use for. When the bubble bursts, and it will, AI will still be around, just in a more grounded state.
Then as people started to lose their fucking minds at the mere suggestion of AI, and ruin artist's livelihoods on Twitter/Bluesky by claiming, with absolutely no evidence, that the person was using AI, and absolutely refusing to back down no matter how much the artist proved, with sketches, roughs, concepts, etc, that they weren't using AI, I thought "Man I kind of don't want to be associated with these people", and started looking at it from an objective lens.
So now you have people who look at a single store bought asset that may have been generated with AI but was immediately replaced because it was always meant to be a placeholder in Expedition 33, but still shit their diapers and start accusing the game of being AI slop, desperate to find further use of "maybe AI????". Then Larian saying "We're experimenting with AI but haven't found it useful for anything but busywork nobody wants to do", causing yet another screeching outcry and shitflinging session because he included "concept art" in that list, even thought it's the artists that are using it, but he's not forcing or advocating for it at all.
In short, if you don't cull your crazies, the normal people are going to just choose to sit on the sidelines. AI isn't the messiah that shareholders and big tech want it to be, nor the antichrist that people on social media think it is. It's a tool that most people are bad at using, and others have no use for. When the bubble bursts, and it will, AI will still be around, just in a more grounded state.
Just from my knowledge, that might totally be less informed than yours, on how AI learns art and the original creators of those have their artstlye, creations devalued with no compensation and consent for the learning programme. It rubs me the wrong way as opposed to DAZ or HS in which there is some individuality you can put into it and modify them in other software.
I agree that models look the same in the engine they use, I'll give you that, it's just that I've noticed virtualy the same blond female charachter while browsing some games, I'd have less issues if it would be at least a bit more visibly independent from the other. I know that I should provide some "proof", but maybe you know what I'm refering to. Certainly unfair to compare, but in HS games like Eternum, Pale Carnations, Once in a Lifetime and Ripples they use the same/-ish engine but still look independent from each other. Sure some games I haven't mentioned and may be cherry picking but I haven't heard of 2 games exclusively AI that would be artistically that different from eachother if you can provide me a rebuttal I herby retract this statement.
And again, I will say that I agree with you there too, the thing I wanted to say, but probably poorly executed is more concerning to that tag, do devs who assist themselves with AI with idk only animations and polish them later fall into the same hole as a game that is as a whole/majorly AI made. Because some people that see that filter as games exclusively made with AI will immediately filter them, surely they may rise with the quality but they may get a bad wrap that is not neccesarily justified.
I don't personally want or advocate for any game to be deplatformed. I'm just more so expressing my personal opinion that I wouldn't mind if they were gone. Now saying that this would be moraly wrong is justified and if that's your point I'd have to stay true to my beliefs and agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right. I got into AVNs because of the whole censorship thing and would never advocate for that.
I'm under no misconception that I run things there, I'm not that commited nor capable of being the head honcho over here and I'm under no illusion that I am. But I don't see the harm of discuising things and voicing opinions even if in hindsight they might be wrong. I can say that you changed my mind, I never really wanted or advocate for things to be deplatformed as opposed to saying that I would mind/personally lose anything if let's say they got nuked right this moment. But you did give me a lot to think about and to take into account that I have to learn to express something in a more clear way. No hard feelings and thanks for the reality check.
The thing is, that YouTube has it's own overreaching algorithm that can act on it's own. Yours (US I assume) is different from mine (Europe and my home country). For example during election times this can aggressivly infiltrate your feed/recommendations and in some countries YouTube has a very political biased portrayal, where one side is disproportionately represented.
Most of that stuff I have no control over, because I don't have a Google/YouTube account (they want my telephone number and I won't give it to them) and thus have no access on any settings. So I can't simply block channels or "clean" my history. That's why I have to be extra careful. I can't train my algorithm by subscribing, but have to do it by watching or avoiding videos.
That's why I am pretty aware how the algorithm works, until YouTube changes it once again.
I usually use normal browser for "my algorithm" and private mode for stuff I don't want to clutter up my recommendations. Using 3rd party sites do work too, as long as the channel allows the usage of them.
Of course I too have uBlock Origins (not the lite version), and I use it to filter out channels I don't want to see (because I can't block them).
Code:
www.youtube.com##ytd-rich-item-renderer.style-scope:contains("XXXXXX")
www.youtube.com##ytd-rich-item-renderer.ytd-rich-grid-row.style-scope > .ytd-rich-item-renderer.style-scope:contains("XXXXXX")This doesn't really prevent the channels from showing up, it simply removes the preview block and leaves an empty space in it's place. Yeah it's a crude and makeshift solution, but at least I don't have to look at them, even if that means I have bunch of empty slots.
And yes, it's particual usefull for private mode, because it always starts from zero after all. So I have a pre-filtered selection.
I have my browser set to english, because most of the stuff I consume is in english. But I also watch stuff in my own language and several others and most of them get this stupid AI Voice, devoid of proper pitch and intonation. Not to mention it censors the content too, swear words? Nope.
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tbh i think AI has the greatest potential for any kind of dynamic game, if they get that down you don't even need the slop art ,
i am not aware of such games yet tho,searching for it
i am not aware of such games yet tho,searching for it
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This. This is why you get "slop" and other things. So, yes. You have proven my point more than you have supported your own.
The algorithm can only learn what better recommendations to serve you if you give it permission to. If you don't --- you remove the algorithm's chance to make it right. This isn't a problem with the algorithm. It gives a default, bullshit, popular-right-now in your area/guessed demographic/etc recommendation based upon what little it knows about you and your watching habits from whatever cookie settings/cache you allow your browser to retain.
Everything you are complaining about isn't really YouTube's doing, per se, except that it is making very wild guesses based upon what information it can glean. This would be like expecting a waiter to know what to recommend to you for dinner simply on your looks, alone. However, if you let your waiter know you like seafood, particularly crab, lobster and yellow perch then your waiter can offer you a better recommendation for your dining pleasure, as well as have the sommelier suggest a proper wine to accompany it. Overall, your complaints are a result of your choice. You made a choice - and the ramifications of that choice is what determines what YouTube offers you for recommendations.
So - yes, your experience is more "usual" and "normal" for those who choose not to login.
And - yes, my experience is more "usual" and "normal" for those who actively choose once they login.
I never said I get slop (I assume you mean AI slop by that) appart maybe from channels that uses AI for their thumbnails.
It's the other user you replied to earlier who got it.
But it does have stuff to learn from, all the videos I already watched, I do get plenty of recommendations for that, fitting my viewing choices. Is it as good as a proper seperation and filtering via settings? No of course not, but I never claimed that it is.
Wrong and incomplete analogy. After all, I have tons of videos that fed the algorithm; the only difference is that the waiter has a list of dishes of what you like and dislike. In both cases, you and me, however, he still has access to our previous orders and can therefore draw conclusions what we might like based on that. Pretty much like being a regular in a restaurant.
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I used "slop" in a general term - meaning the stuff you don't necessarily want to see and are "bad" recommendations for what you would want to see. Not just AI. "Slop" has been around for years - it only recently has been attached to "AI" to easily convey what some people think AI is serving. Slop is what we do with livestock, particularly swine. Feeding them the cast-offs, waste, bad mix, etc.
As for the conversation ---
You are shifting your responsibility of the situation onto YouTube when you have a significant portion of the accountability for what YouTube is recommending to you. It was not a wrong nor an incomplete analogy.
Again, the amount of history that YouTube can draw from your cookies/cache is very limited compared to what it can have access to if you were to login. Sure, it may have a selective memory from the few you have watched that it can glean from cookies/cache -- even if you are a "regular" - but because of the inadequate information, it is like you get a slightly different waiter nearly every time you go... or you are visiting a different location within the same chain. Even if that chain has a way to log your dining history within its doors (such as a membership card) - because you don't login - it would be like you not always using that membership card to log the purchase for a complete picture of your habits.
You have complained about YouTube's algorithm and terrible recommendations... and its "overreaching" algorithm... and its so-called "politically biased" algorithm... and that it is "pretty dogshit"... and "can even flood your recommendations just because it got popular enough to overwrite your algorithm."
But you have chosen not to actively participate in the system in order for the algorithm to be taught better. You have actively chosen not to participate - stepping aside from logging in so that it can learn from your choices and even obfuscating some of your viewing choices so it cannot gain information of what little you already allow it to learn from. You have hobbled it, blinded it, and deafened it and then you complain it doesn't work better.
The algorithm acts that way because you have chosen for it to act that way. In that sense - you have taught it to do exactly what it is doing.
It does not act that way for me because I have chosen to teach it how to make better recommendations for me. Even at that, I have it forget any watch history more then 3 months old. So even with 3 months of watch history in its memory, it does a great job at recommending videos for me.
So again, as I wrapped up my previous post:
So - yes, your experience is more "usual" and "normal" for those who choose not to login.
And - yes, my experience is more "usual" and "normal" for those who actively choose once they login.
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It's nice to find a reasonable person to talk this through with. Let me start by saying if any of this comes across as blunt it is not intended / meant that way and no offense is intend.
Ok, except you use 1 set of values with AI then completely change them when referencing daz / HS. However both of those are true for in both cases.
Many dev's have been using "pirated" (stolen) assets over the years, the "devalued" part is questionable but "no compensation or consent" is true here (for daz etc.). Even on this site there is a section to "share" assets for DAZ and other programs. So it does not only apply to AI usage.
E.g. https://f95zone.to/search/567370084...odes]=1&c[nodes][0]=96&c[title_only]=1&o=date
When people complain about AI games they always reference the extremes. Games made totally with AI or the AI is just added as is, however those are NOT the standard. If you go through the games on this site or other sites you will find that MOST of them have limited AI use or the AI is used to edit it or as you put it "put into it and modify them in other software" so again, both is true for both cases.
https://f95zone.to/sam/latest_alpha/#/cat=games/page=1/tags=2265
https://f95zone.to/threads/blackjack-hookups-v4-0-opsgaylover.273249/
https://f95zone.to/threads/lending-my-ntr-girlfriend-v0-16-3-phonegames.262744/
https://f95zone.to/threads/furrmatch-v0-57-bakeko.281441/
https://f95zone.to/threads/interview-desires-0-1-caocaoart.278744/
https://f95zone.to/threads/starmaker-story-v1-8a-arvus-games.218071/
https://f95zone.to/threads/x-change-tm-life-v0-23-aphrodite.98897/
Those 6 examples are from the 1st page of results when using only the ai cg tag to search. I also included the search link at the top. It seems what you are basing that on is what you notice while browsing and not what you see when searching for only ai. I think this could be the cause of many of the misunderstandings about AI and AI games here.
As with the first part I addressed, the same can be said for all the other games. Just as an example:
https://f95zone.to/threads/dragon-incarnate-v0-1-6-agent-nova.268164/
https://f95zone.to/threads/dating-my-daughter-ch-1-4-v1-01-mrdots-games.597/
https://f95zone.to/threads/lewd-island-s2-day-13-v1-00-xred-games.7982/
True but as you can see from the 6 AI examples I linked, the same can be and is true for games that use AI.
e.g. furrmatch looks nothing like starmaker.
See the problem here is the cherry picking you are doing isn't in the way you think it is. Games exclusively AI are NOT the standard, they are the extreme. You are looking at ALL games that use AI based on a handful of games that ONLY use AI.
Those people are the ones who did not read the sites tag rules and list, which is listed 2 links above the sites general rules which everyone should have but most probably didn't read either.
https://f95zone.to/threads/tags-rules-and-list-updated-2024-11-14.10394/
AI CG [Used for CGs that has been generated by Artificial Intelligence technology. ]
Unfortunately you are right though and many will / do filter and just write them all off.
It's not just a moral thing, it's advocating for people to think of others. People who enjoy AI games, whether it is the art or the writing or the animations etc. they have just as much right to request their games and download and play them as anyone else. The site also does it's best to help people looking for those games and well as people wanting to avoid those games do so.
I apologize, that was my misunderstanding there. I mistook that for a call to discuss drawing a line by the community.
If it can be kept to discussing and voicing opinions that would be a good thing, the main issue arises when people stop discussing things and start trying to pass off opinions as facts and trying to hold the games and the discussions to irrational standards unfairly applied. This can been seen in almost all of the threads started on this topic.
Absolutely no hard feelings and again, if any of this came across as blunt, it was not meant to and no offense is intended.
Oh look, someone is trying to be witty and utterly failing at it.
Now let's be honest about how youtube actually works, shall we. You show an interest in one type of video one time, and suddenly it's all up in your face, then out of curiosity I search out the whys and hows and find the answer.... And some how you think that has some greater meaning, like it's a mark of the illuminati. To be fair, I have watched several of those videos since, can't form a valid opinion if I don't know what's actually happening. Unlike some people.
A few years back I watched a video by AquaFPS, dude was funny as hell. For the next year I got crap tons of videos from him and others like him by watching ONE FUCKING VIDEO. Same with the A.I. slop shit. The almighty algorithm is busted, you know it, I know it, everyone knows it, but you want to pretend to be witty and smart. Don't waste my time, you're not as smart as you think you are.
I rest my case.
Everyone knows the algo is busted, just some people think they're smarter than they actually are and make stupid posts. And yeah, I don't watch the 'political crap' either, but I get a ton of videos from Ben what'sis'name and Amala Euko,,, whatever. Don't get me started on the feminist man hating crap I get a lot of as well. None of it I've ever clicked on.If it only were that easy...
The YouTube algorithm is pretty dogshit and from time to time some random stuff slips in and can even flood your recommendations just because it got popular enough to overwrite your algorithm. You won't believe how much political crap I get, even though I never click on stuff like that or anything even remotely related to it.
Not to mention that one missclick can fuck up your algorithm too.
But that isn't even the worst part of AI and YouTube, because for several months now YouTube has a fucking Auto AI Voice Translation that is activated by default, as soon as you watch a video that differs from your language settings or browser default. You have to manually disable it separately for each video you watch.
Content creators can deactivate it when they upload a video, but old videos have it still activated and not every uploader deactivates it anyway.
This makes watching videos pretty annoying if you are multilingual.
Yeah I know, this has nothing to do with was mentioned above, but it's still AI.