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Dagerdese

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I wrote down some critique. Overall much better than the previous version which I quit rather early.

UI:
  • Save menu not accessible without scrolling (on 1920x1080 and 1920x1200).
  • Sidebar should show NPC location and offer quick travel to them.
  • Videos not autoplaying is good, but if possible having just the first video autoplay would be optimal.
  • Videos should be a bit larger, maybe 30-50%. A lot of empty space to accommodate it.
  • Add videos with the audio kept in whenever possible (only some have audio right now).
  • Vertical picture are way too small (such as those from taking pics of Noella at pool).
  • The persistent sidebar picture of your character's current fitness feels unnecessary (allow us to hide it).
Gameplay:
  • Earning money is a tad slow, a passive income of 25 per day would be nice. Call it royalties, ad money or something.
  • Reducing faithfulness is way too grindy. Most events only lower it by 1, with the garden ones being somewhat better. It also increases by doing nothing at all. I don't really see the necessity of this separate stat existing at all.
  • Give the player a goal to work towards. It is unclear if getting 250 affection just means unlocking all scenes, or if there is some trigger to open up new progress.
Bugs:
  • Giving Noelle the sleeping pill does nothing (maybe you need lower faithfulness).
  • Giving Sarah the sleeping pill just once triggers her sleep scene every single night.
  • Watching picture of Noelle in the office has the following error: "Error: cannot find a closing tag for HTML".
  • Later Afternoon on weekdays has Sarah at both the pool and the living room (Noelle is MIA).
  • An occasion where Noelle is in 2 rooms but Sarah is missing and a scene with a video error (forgot to note down specifics).
 

gregers

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Isn't that like the 5th remake or retry by someone?
Probably overstating it slightly. The first release was a re-make of someone else's game, then one or two of the releases since then have been mostly rewrites/recodings of existing content, and now a full relaunch, so probably more like the third or fourth, unless you count other remakes of the same original game.
 

Anon_Lycan

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May 15, 2017
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Love that this remake of a remake of a remake is getting some renewed attention, it's actually one of my faves and gotta say Dev I love this latest release so kudos. Is there any way to increase Sarahs relationship oints past 250? I feel like theres some action I havent completed yet to move on to the next stage with her but not sure what it is.
 

Svoben

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Sep 19, 2017
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Drastically less buggy and with a much cleaner interface than the prior version, well done. Aside from the typos, the only obvious bugs I encountered were a few times of day where one of the women was in two places simultaneously, and the other woman wasn't home at all. (Example: late Wednesday Afternoon, Sarah is simultaneously at the pool and in the living room playing with Peter, Noelle is MIA.)

The faithfulness stat is still awful, though. Just from an implementation standpoint, it's way too much of a grind to get it down, and it's extremely non-intuitive to figure out which things will or won't raise it which makes the grind even more frustrating when you have to constantly avoiding accidentally raising it, too. From a broader design perspective, I feel like this game already requires enough grinding of other stats (relationship, money, fitness, etc) to see the content that's there, that it doesn't really make sense to make pursuing both women virtually impossible in one playthrough by adding yet another stat that has to be carefully managed for one of them.
 
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Royarus

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"Sarah keeps quite and accepts you fucking her ass some more." quite -> quiet
"(name), I'm having a bath, can I please have some peace and quite?" quite -> quiet
"Noelle makes very clear what she means buy fun." buy ->by
"We where in the movies as you suggested." where -> were

I'm shocked I noticed these. I rarely, if ever, do.
Hi! Thank you for pointing them out to me, I do agree some are very bad indeed, they'll be fixed.

I wrote down some critique. Overall much better than the previous version which I quit rather early.

UI:
  • Save menu not accessible without scrolling (on 1920x1080 and 1920x1200).
    This is a hard one to fix, since I have a lot of info in the side menu. But it can go a little higher as I noticed some gaps.
  • Sidebar should show NPC location and offer quick travel to them.
    I was already thinking about that, but I'm not sure how to implement it properly yet.
  • Videos not autoplaying is good, but if possible having just the first video autoplay would be optimal.
    I do like that idea actually. I might implement that.
  • Videos should be a bit larger, maybe 30-50%. A lot of empty space to accommodate it.
    That's my mistake, most of the work I do on a small screen laptop, when I put it on a bigger screen it was small indeed. I can tell you already I have fixed this, it will adjust to the size of your screen (up to certain limits of course).
  • Add videos with the audio kept in whenever possible (only some have audio right now).
    Audio is really hard to do, mostly because of the way I get certain clips and videos, but I'll try to pay more attention to it.
  • Vertical picture are way too small (such as those from taking pics of Noella at pool).
    Same as the video, even though I can't make them wider (without making Noelle look weird) due to the source material used.
  • The persistent sidebar picture of your character's current fitness feels unnecessary (allow us to hide it).
    Good point and idea.
Gameplay:
  • Earning money is a tad slow, a passive income of 25 per day would be nice. Call it royalties, ad money or something.
    Good that you mention it, I did not pay a lot of attention to that, and I'll look into it.
  • Reducing faithfulness is way too grindy. Most events only lower it by 1, with the garden ones being somewhat better. It also increases by doing nothing at all. I don't really see the necessity of this separate stat existing at all.
    The faith balance was my biggest worry and I believe you are not the only one mentioning this, so I'll look into it.
  • Give the player a goal to work towards. It is unclear if getting 250 affection just means unlocking all scenes, or if there is some trigger to open up new progress.
    Yes, I am working on that too, I agree it is unclear which goals are to be reached. I'll clarify this in future versions.
Bugs:
  • Giving Noelle the sleeping pill does nothing (maybe you need lower faithfulness).
  • Giving Sarah the sleeping pill just once triggers her sleep scene every single night.
  • Watching picture of Noelle in the office has the following error: "Error: cannot find a closing tag for HTML".
  • Later Afternoon on weekdays has Sarah at both the pool and the living room (Noelle is MIA).
  • An occasion where Noelle is in 2 rooms but Sarah is missing and a scene with a video error (forgot to note down specifics).
Hi thank you so much for you extensive review!!
I have replied to your ideas and suggestions in italics
And thank you for the buglist, I'll have them fixed!

Drastically less buggy and with a much cleaner interface than the prior version, well done. Aside from the typos, the only obvious bugs I encountered were a few times of day where one of the women was in two places simultaneously, and the other woman wasn't home at all. (Example: late Wednesday Afternoon, Sarah is simultaneously at the pool and in the living room playing with Peter, Noelle is MIA.)

The faithfulness stat is still awful, though. Just from an implementation standpoint, it's way too much of a grind to get it down, and it's extremely non-intuitive to figure out which things will or won't raise it which makes the grind even more frustrating when you have to constantly avoiding accidentally raising it, too. From a broader design perspective, I feel like this game already requires enough grinding of other stats (relationship, money, fitness, etc) to see the content that's there, that it doesn't really make sense to make pursuing both women virtually impossible in one playthrough by adding yet another stat that has to be carefully managed for one of them.
Thank you for your reply!
After reading the comments I have been thinking about the faithfulness stat. And thinking about it, it is indeed an unnecessary stat. It's a stat that had a function in the old version, but that function is gone now. I believe the faithfulness function was already gone in the old version as well. So there is a good change I might remove it completely indeed.

Love that this remake of a remake of a remake is getting some renewed attention, it's actually one of my faves and gotta say Dev I love this latest release so kudos. Is there any way to increase Sarahs relationship oints past 250? I feel like theres some action I havent completed yet to move on to the next stage with her but not sure what it is.
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Relationship Noelle: 200 but i can't do everything with her and i can't lower my Faithfulness
Hi! Faithfulness can be lowered by spying on Noelle, looking at Noelle and take pictures of Noelle (requires camera) at the pool.

MC is forced to sleep so I can't trigger the Friday Night Noelle scene. This might be related to Dagerdese bugs list.
Friday Night Noelle does work, it requires a faithfulness of 80 or lower, Noelle relation of 90 and is triggered at night on Friday and Saturday if you are in the house before the forced sleep is triggered.
 
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Tunnn

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Think there needs to be a guide, I wasn't sure how to trigger a lot of the main scenes for Sarah. The cheating and cumslut scene I couldn't figure out in particular.
 

Sir Anal

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Some notes:
- We put the sleeping pill in Noelle's meal but Sarah has it. And then she sleeps every night and we can only enjoy her body. Even on Saturday and Sunday mornings
- Noelle's exit on Friday night: apparently you have to have searched her room on that day and not on another and be on the ground floor at night.
- Sarah in the living room: there is an error message when "go to her"
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(Relation Sarah 250, Noelle 200, Faithfullness 0, Darkness 85) attached a backup
Typo : "That is Christel, we use to go uni TOGHETHER …."'
Apparently, in the evening, in the bedroom "Let's go somewhere else" sends to the mall


Does Darkness have a use for now? BDSM?
Is it normal that Energy can go over 100?
The slow pace of events at the beginning doesn't really bother me, it has a more realistic feel
Faithfullness that drops in less than 2 weeks as soon as we have made the tript with Noelle (when Sarah receives her colleagues, I didn't note faithfullness at that time) seems a bit excessive to me. I admit that I did everything I needed to do for that and then it's probably in the mentality of the character who cracked for good.
When you put the relationships to the max, you feel like you've reached the end of the version. You have to keep going for a while to realise that this is not true.

Overall it's a good job and I'm looking forward to the next part.
Thank you for this remake which is really worth it
 
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Svoben

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Sep 19, 2017
62
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Think there needs to be a guide, I wasn't sure how to trigger a lot of the main scenes for Sarah. The cheating and cumslut scene I couldn't figure out in particular.
Not sure how to trigger the cheating scene, but for the cumslut scene, all you really have to do is keeping cumming in her mouth in every sex scene that gives you the opportunity, even if it pisses her off and makes your relationship stat take a hit. After a few times she'll be less mad about, then kind of neutral, then eventually she'll get into it, and then the scene just randomly popped up one day.
 

Royarus

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Game Developer
Jan 4, 2021
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Some notes:
- We put the sleeping pill in Noelle's meal but Sarah has it. And then she sleeps every night and we can only enjoy her body. Even on Saturday and Sunday mornings
- Noelle's exit on Friday night: apparently you have to have searched her room on that day and not on another and be on the ground floor at night.
- Sarah in the living room: there is an error message when "go to her"
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(Relation Sarah 250, Noelle 200, Faithfullness 0, Darkness 85) attached a backup
Typo : "That is Christel, we use to go uni TOGHETHER …."'
Apparently, in the evening, in the bedroom "Let's go somewhere else" sends to the mall


Does Darkness have a use for now? BDSM?
Is it normal that Energy can go over 100?
The slow pace of events at the beginning doesn't really bother me, it has a more realistic feel
Faithfullness that drops in less than 2 weeks as soon as we have made the tript with Noelle (when Sarah receives her colleagues, I didn't note faithfullness at that time) seems a bit excessive to me. I admit that I did everything I needed to do for that and then it's probably in the mentality of the character who cracked for good.
When you put the relationships to the max, you feel like you've reached the end of the version. You have to keep going for a while to realise that this is not true.

Overall it's a good job and I'm looking forward to the next part.
Thank you for this remake which is really worth it
Hi! Thank you very much for the feedback and reporting the bugs, they'll be fixed!
For you information, the error in the image is for the scenelist, so it doesn't become a problem for your game.
Also, you don't need to search Noelles room for the event, just have her relation above 90, be in the house, faith below 80, time is night on Friday or Saturday.

I haven't played the original. How do you get Sarah to cheat?
Not sure how to trigger the cheating scene, but for the cumslut scene, all you really have to do is keeping cumming in her mouth in every sex scene that gives you the opportunity, even if it pisses her off and makes your relationship stat take a hit. After a few times she'll be less mad about, then kind of neutral, then eventually she'll get into it, and then the scene just randomly popped up one day.
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phlore101

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Positives first. I quite like the changes. Videos are a good addition. Quality is good enough while remaining small. There's always going to be people who say the videos break immersion. Oh, it's a different guy fucking her every time. That's the main issue with real porn games. I definitely don't mind it as you would end up with only one or two scenes if you tried to keep the same guy in every scene. I guess POV is another avenue but then that would be limiting in other ways.

I won't go through the bugs that have been mentioned before. There is a bug with the gym. Works great if you want to cheat! The gym doesn't take your money. I'm also getting a bug "Error: cannot find a closing tag for HTML <i>" when trying to look at pictures of Noelle on my PC. There are also quite a few typos around but I don't know if you really want us nitpicking them all.

Now to the main gripe that I have about the current build. It's way too grindy to reduce your Faithfulness, and I can stomach a lot more grind than most people I think. Think back to when you were a teenager, watching a whole movie just for peek at a nipple. That's me now :p

You only get 1 point for peeking, sometimes zero (like when you spy on her when she is showering). Faithfulness then goes up when you cook for everyone, or help with the baby. Peeking should reduce it more and maybe faithfulness should only go up when you are in a situation where you are have to decide if you should stay loyal to your wife.

One example may be, Noelle is doing something where her cleavage is showing. You have the opportunity to look closer. If you look, it lowers your faithfulness, and depending on Noelle's relationship score, maybe she gets angry, maybe she lets you look, maybe she opens her blouse to let you look more etc... If on the other hand you want to remain loyal to Sarah, then you stop yourself and that's when your faithfulness would then go up.

If you really want to keep faithfulness increasing when you help Sarah, then you really need to increase how much you lose when peeking. You should also lose bit if you looking at Noelle's pictures on your computer and a lot if you jerk off to them. I'm guessing I still have a fair bit to go in the game so I don't know if things change but right now it's pretty painful reducing faithfulness.

All in all though, I like where this is heading. Keep up the good work.

Edit:

Ok, so I'm a tiny bit further along and your faithfulness does go up when you stop her from going further which is good. I still think it could be tweaked a little. I have noticed that I can repeatedly watch her masturbate outside but she gets angry when I watch her do it in the shower. She even gets angry after you masturbate together. I get she might not want you to watch her uninvited in the shower but I think she should be saying something in a different tone, perhaps more playful or something. She shouldn't be so angry anymore.
 
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Everglam

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7 days have passed since the cumslut scene but i still cant trigger the cheating scene. Am i missing something?
 
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