To you develloper

[Brok TheDog]

This message is for you, yes you, to develop, the one who since 2020 or even before, has launched a project. Some project that you left in the oblivion to launch another project, then another. Without ever finishing those before and especially having the nerve to make your donors and those who could have been donor that this project you will finish. When will you stop taking people for cash cows. When will you really do the thing until the end, take example on some of your colleagues who have started at the same time as you and who really give themselves to please their fan, by finishing their game. As far as I'm concerned, you're just like those guys who are in Africa and who are more commonly called BROUTERS. Yes you are a grazer, but you are smarter than those who are there because you do it legally. Don't think that you can always do it, one day I hope people will open their eyes and stop once and for all to make you live by your scam.

For those who wonder why I made this message, it is very simple. I invite you to take a look at the games forum, not the lasted update but the forum. And you will see that many never finish but allow themselves to launch several games without even warning that we will never see the end, while some had an excellent beginning. It's been 15 days that I'm doing the 600 page tour. And I can tell you that some come back quite often.

 

[Müptezel Emo]

Yeah, this is really big problem.
Monthly subscription model is making everything worse. Game devs are not want to finish their games or want to extend their game until milking is over.
We need finished products, not devs mistakes and unprofessionalities.

 

[Brok TheDog]

Yeah, this is really big problem.
Monthly subscription model is making everything worse. Game devs are not want to finish their games or want to extend their game until milking is over.
We need finished products, not devs mistakes and unprofessionalities.

Coter bug, it is obliged that there is and. But that it corrects them quickly, I was patron for Station Master, currently I regret it. When we see the final version totally buggy. moreover it allows itself to relaunch the same with a 2 which if I am not mistaken does not advance at all.

 

[OsamiWorks]

lol, If you dont trust a dev, dont give them money, if they stop delivering then stop supporting them. If you can't afford it dont give them money.

They only have those pages open because they need to survive and working 100+ hours over the course of a month to make sure you get off isn't worth the extra 30$ they made on patreon. Not many devs even get to threshold where they can milk cash from people and most of the devs I watch are definitely still working on their games

 

[Müptezel Emo]

lol, If you dont trust a dev, dont give them money, if they stop delivering then stop supporting them. If you can't afford it dont give them money.

They only have those pages open because they need to survive and working 100+ hours over the course of a month to make sure you get off isn't worth the extra 30$ they made on patreon. Not many devs even get to threshold where they can milk cash from people and most of the devs I watch are definitely still working on their games

Well, game development is not a monthly paid job. If they are looking for monthly paid job, then they can find.

 

[xoxo]

Maybe the complete game was the friends you made along the way

 

[OsamiWorks]

Well, game development is not a monthly paid job. If they are looking for monthly paid job, then they can find.

I didn't realize I need to say this, but they spend that time working on a game on top of their daily job

 

[Müptezel Emo]

I didn't realize I need to say this, but if they are entrepreneur, they need to act like one.

they spend that time working on a game on top of their daily job

Well, like a said. They are not monthly-paid workers.

 

[OsamiWorks]

I didn't realize I need to say this, but if they are entrepreneur, they need to act like one.



Well, like a said. They are not monthly-paid workers.

An entrepreneur working 80 hours a week with no profit is a terrible entrepreneur.

If you think making a porn game means you'll make bank you should just do it, quit your job, work 80 hours a week with no income, and live up to your advice.

 

[Brok TheDog]

An entrepreneur working 80 hours a week with no profit is a terrible entrepreneur.

If you think making a porn game means you'll make bank you should just do it, quit your job, work 80 hours a week with no income, and live up to your advice.

As I mark them there are 2 categories of developer, the scammer and the serious. It's cool for you to have managed to follow a serious developer. But this is not the case for everyone. Yes some manage to bridge the gap between their irl work and the creation of their games others don't, if they are not told how do you want them to react. Then there are those who are there just to make 0.3 0.4 or even just a 0.1 and they move on without ever finishing. If you don't believe me, I invite you to have a look at the 700 pages of the forum starting from the end. You will see the projects started in 2019 that are still pending because the developer and move on without ever returning to it.

 

[fitgirlbestgirl]

Then there are those who are there just to make 0.3 0.4 or even just a 0.1 and they move on without ever finishing.

So? If you want completed games, play (and preferably buy) completed games. Amateur (and usually first-time) indie porn devs are highly unlikely to finish their game, let alone make it good. As for devs abandoning a game and making something else, sometimes you figure out that something isn't working and you cut your losses. Maybe nobody was playing it or the dev himself wasn't into it anymore. These things happen.

 

[tataugas]

As I mark them there are 2 categories of developer, the scammer and the serious. It's cool for you to have managed to follow a serious developer. But this is not the case for everyone. Yes some manage to bridge the gap between their irl work and the creation of their games others don't, if they are not told how do you want them to react. Then there are those who are there just to make 0.3 0.4 or even just a 0.1 and they move on without ever finishing. If you don't believe me, I invite you to have a look at the 700 pages of the forum starting from the end. You will see the projects started in 2019 that are still pending because the developer and move on without ever returning to it.

Mate, I get your frustration, especially because I'm a player first and a rookie developer second.

And since I usually only play completed games the "offer" is very thin and there are a bunch of games that you have a feeling should have already ended (I mean 4 years?! for a porn game? c'mon son!) and others just get dropped for something new or were a scam BUT

And in life, especially in porn, there's always a BUTT, developing a game takes a bunch of time and doesn't pay shit for 99% of the devs (I'm gonna be candid here, I'm not saying I only made 20$ out of my work because... I didn't even make $20, and this is not crying mind you because the game is 100% free so that's almost 20 more dollars than I expected, not bad for the +500 hours spent on the game)

So, what you're doing is picking BAD examples and for some reason trying to give moral lessons to those that not only don't owe shit to you but also are losing time AND money to create something (good or bad that's up to you).

TLDR It's shit when games don't get completed but devs also have their lives so if you don't like it just DON'T give money and stop complaining others don't do more for you.

 

[Brok TheDog]

Mate, I get your frustration, especially because I'm a player first and a rookie developer second.

And since I usually only play completed games the "offer" is very thin and there are a bunch of games that you have a feeling should have already ended (I mean 4 years?! for a porn game? c'mon son!) and others just get dropped for something new or were a scam BUT

And in life, especially in porn, there's always a BUTT, developing a game takes a bunch of time and doesn't pay shit for 99% of the devs (I'm gonna be candid here, I'm not saying I only made 20$ out of my work because... I didn't even make $20, and this is not crying mind you because the game is 100% free so that's almost 20 more dollars than I expected, not bad for the +500 hours spent on the game)

So, what you're doing is picking BAD examples and for some reason trying to give moral lessons to those that not only don't owe shit to you but also are losing time AND money to create something (good or bad that's up to you).

TLDR It's shit when games don't get completed but devs also have their lives so if you don't like it just DON'T give money and stop complaining others don't do more for you.

It feels like you're aiming for it, it feels male when you're digging up shit. Before finding excuses, you have to assume the shit you do if you are not able to manage the 2 simply stop. Other developers can do both. If for you their games are shit for others they are good. I don't understand why you allow yourself to criticize the work of people who have taken the trouble to finish their work. Thanks to this they have acquired knowledge and seen the mistakes that should not be repeated. For that I have a huge respect.

 

[Müptezel Emo]

Whatever, these topics made me grumpy.
And looks like devs do not want to understand anything.

 

[Jaike]

Whatever, these topics made me grumpy.
And looks like devs do not want to understand anything.

What should they understand? You're mostly just preaching about how Patreon is bad and that real entrepreneurship doesn't use subscriptions and that subscription services enable scammers.

A scammer thinks "Yes, that's the point you idiot".

A good-faith developer thinks "The "investment period" is too long, I can't get a loan from the bank for this, so I need to use Patreon" or "I'm just using it as a tip jar".

So what's your next step. Because I don't think your preaching is going to achieve anything.

There's also the annoying assumption that every project is meant to be finished one day.

 

[Nutluck]

As I mark them there are 2 categories of developer, the scammer and the serious.

There is also the hobbyist, the ones that do it for fun.

With that said unless the dev is serious about complete a game they shouldn't charge money. I personally am not a fan of the subscription model as i think it encourages devs to drag their feet etc to keep collecting money. I much prefer if they are going to ask for money, have a tip jar and let people donate.

There is a few games I would tip for especially once they are far enough along, but I am not going to pay a monthly fee for them.

 

[Deleted member 4654353]

Maybe the complete game was the friends you made along the way

Then I should ask for a refund

 

[xj47]

I think people seriously underestimate the amount of effort that goes into gamedev (and overestimate the amount of money most people make). These games are mainly passion projects and after a while people lost interest in whatever they were currently working on.

I get the frustration from the consumer side, but game devs aren't doing this to be dicks. And considering this is a piracy forum it just feels kinda entitled. I even get the impression that many of the people who bitch about this don't even donate to the projects they talk about. Just because someone else gave them *some* money the dev is now apparently obligated to work on the project so others can consume it for free.

 

[CardinalRed]

And since I usually only play completed games the "offer" is very thin

There's more than 6000 completed games on this site

 

[tataugas]

There's more than 6000 completed games on this site

I should have added "that I would like to play..."

And I wasn't complaining, I was simply stating my point of view, I pretty much only "play" VN's (so no sandbox, rpgm and such), and like everyone around here I look for some tags to watch and others to avoid

Ofc, that's a personal thing, for example for me, the "complete" list has around 100 games only (I've played probably half of them and the other half it's like, mehhh), again, not a complain was just stating a personal point of view