VN Ren'Py Tower of Dreams [Ch. 3] [FutAphrodite]

[Kind Nightmares]

The good thing about this game is that updates is very looong, although waiting for update more than a year is way to long for me.
No offence to the dev, I still very much like this game, despite this update wasn't really for my taste, but kinda forget about plot by the time it was released.

 

[zh]

This is part of the choices that are red flags for me.
Mc blackmailed
Mc raped
Li raped (liding to ntr most of the time)
Li is a camwhore
Etc.
We can say that this kind of situation is for the plot of the story.
But the downside of this kind of situation is that you kill your Mc or a li.
As said above there were other means than the violated etc. It’s just the easy solution in a porn game I imagine...

Imagine downloading a game with the 'femdom' tag.. and complain about 'femdom'..
You know that some people ARE into MC going through this kind of stuff, right? Those kind of games are rare and deserve to exist. If you don't like it, download another game

Hey, everyone. Just wanted to pop in here and say thank you to the people who waited so long for the update. I know it took way longer than it should, but here it is nonetheless.
Now, for the people talking about the femdom, the blackmail and the first scene at the Tower with Veil. I'm just going to go out on a limb, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing some people might have stopped playing the game prematurely. I'm gonna add a spoiler here if you don't want to get spoiled.

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Character developpement? Seems good I don't mind some kinky femdom, especially if MC will get back at them later.
I wouldn't worry too much about those F95 crybabies. Just do the game you want to do, that's the most important thing

 

[Kind Nightmares]

Imagine downloading a game with the 'femdom' tag.. and complain about 'femdom'..

I have to half to disagree on that one. F95 doesn't have "Futa domination" tag, so dominant futa mc technically also falls under this tag.

On the other hand, the developer has already said that the mc will change as the plot develops. Some people just don't have the patience or stomach.

 

[Brannon]

Imagine downloading a game with the 'femdom' tag.. and complain about 'femdom'..
You know that some people ARE into MC going through this kind of stuff, right? Those kind of games are rare and deserve to exist. If you don't like it, download another game

Technically there is not a single instance of "femdom" in the game.
That requires at the very least dubious consent.
What is in the game is blackmail.

What also is in the game are "Rape" and "Drugs" albeit the tags for these mysteriously are absent.

 

[Alucard421]

I have to half to disagree on that one. F95 doesn't have "Futa domination" tag, so dominant futa mc technically also falls under this tag.

On the other hand, the developer has already said that the mc will change as the plot develops. Some people just don't have the patience or stomach.

No some people simply dont have the patience to see the MC thay are playing as getting blackmailed , drugged and raped without any say in the choice. The motive of showing that people shouldn't trust easily could have been shown when the MC is stabbed by the shapeshifter. There is no choice and we are forced to see the scene even if we didn't want it. The MC knows she doesn't want to have sex yet she is forced to go through it and we dont have any say in matter. How the MC will change here? They will take revenge by repeating the same sexual assualt upon them, is that it? That is the growth the MC will get. It could have been written in so many intriguing manner where she is betrayed by the shapeshifter and had to escape with severe injuries. That could have hardened them. They would have to grow through the process of trusting others. But nope, how the MC will develop, by getting drugged and raped?

 

[Alucard421]

Technically there is not a single instance of "femdom" in the game.
That requires at the very least dubious consent.
What is in the game is blackmail.

What also is in the game are "Rape" and "Drugs" albeit the tags for these mysteriously are absent.

Finally someone said it. Idiotic people not understanding what Femdom, Maledom or Futadom means. Forcing yourself on someone and sexually assualting them isn't any domination, its simply rape. And in the game the MC themselves got raped with us having no say in the matter.

 

[zh]

Finally someone said it. Idiotic people not understanding what Femdom, Maledom or Futadom means. Forcing yourself on someone and sexually assualting them isn't any domination, its simply rape. And in the game the MC themselves got raped with us having no say in the matter.

What do you mean "no say"? If you don't like what's happening to the main character, there is a close game button on the top right of the screen. Just click on it if you are triggered. It's not as if the game was blackmailing/raping you irl, forcing you to play the game, right?

But I agree that the 'rape' tag should also be present since there is some 'non concent' stuff happening to MC. But I bet people will keep complaining even if they add the tag

 

[Necrosian]

What a great update! Not to mention the amount of content, just when i though it was the end it just kept going!
Keep up the good work!

 

[FutAphrodite]

Alright, alright. Before this thread becomes a "I'm right, you're wrong" one, I'll say this. Yes, there were a lot of ways I could've done that part of the story, but that's the one I went with. Now, I'm not one to live in my own world and do what I want, so I ask everyone here. Would you like for me to write a different outcome to the Tower scene, and if yes, tell me what you didn't like from the original. I don't plan on touching the rest of the chapter or the game. It's just for that scene because I also would've like to write it differently. It also adds more choice to the player, which is something I want to keep adding.

 

[Kind Nightmares]

Alright, alright. Before this thread becomes a "I'm right, you're wrong" one, I'll say this. Yes, there were a lot of ways I could've done that part of the story, but that's the one I went with. Now, I'm not one to live in my own world and do what I want, so I ask everyone here. Would you like for me to write a different outcome to the Tower scene, and if yes, tell me what you didn't like from the original. I don't plan on touching the rest of the chapter or the game. It's just for that scene because I also would've like to write it differently. It also adds more choice to the player, which is something I want to keep adding.

My comment will most likely be of no use to you, but I have always said it and I will say it again: my personal opinion is that you need to do what you originally intended. Tell the story you wanted. There will always be people who are disappointed with something, even because of some small things, and they will demand more.

If you yourself think that this scene needs to be remade, then redo it. I personally don’t think it’s absolutely terrible, but be sure that later someone will definitely complain that in dream her sister fucked the main character’s daughter (who doesn’t even exist yet)

 

[zh]

Alright, alright. Before this thread becomes a "I'm right, you're wrong" one, I'll say this. Yes, there were a lot of ways I could've done that part of the story, but that's the one I went with. Now, I'm not one to live in my own world and do what I want, so I ask everyone here. Would you like for me to write a different outcome to the Tower scene, and if yes, tell me what you didn't like from the original. I don't plan on touching the rest of the chapter or the game. It's just for that scene because I also would've like to write it differently. It also adds more choice to the player, which is something I want to keep adding.

I would personnally change nothing to the story/scenes. Just write the story you want to write. A Main Character struggling and getting abused... but getting better and better through character developpement suits me perfectly.
A lot of devs got burned trying to change/remake the game to satisfy everybody but.. it's impossible to satisfy everybody. Doing what you originally intended is the best imo.

 

[ShiftCognit]

I will be honest guys. I really wish the MC just raped Veil (because that would have been hot). But, over all, I´m surprised that some people here is so sensitive about the "non-con" instead of anything else. It´s not even that serious, I just found frustrating how MC was such a pushback after the whole thing, it was shown before that she get´s more tempted to give into her dessires, as taboo as they are, then suddenly going "nOoOOo! I woNt fuck hEr! iTs wRoNG" felt like a wasted opportunity to just let the player decide what to do with Veil.
I will admit however, that I am new to the game, since i just found out about it, and its not everyones cup of tea, so maybe i missed any comments on the dev about non-con/rape content. Other than that I liked the rest.
(also, hope in the future MC can choose when to have a dick or not)
TLDR: 8/10 would rape impregnate Veil

 

[Mr_Ainz]

Alright, alright. Before this thread becomes a "I'm right, you're wrong" one, I'll say this. Yes, there were a lot of ways I could've done that part of the story, but that's the one I went with. Now, I'm not one to live in my own world and do what I want, so I ask everyone here. Would you like for me to write a different outcome to the Tower scene, and if yes, tell me what you didn't like from the original. I don't plan on touching the rest of the chapter or the game. It's just for that scene because I also would've like to write it differently. It also adds more choice to the player, which is something I want to keep adding.

Before doing anything rash think about it, let it marinate in your brain juices and then decide if and how to modify it. Understand that there's a lot of people who have no problem with the scenes and just skip it and continue on with the game. You'll see that most of the time minorities can be louder than the rest.

P.S: This is just my opinion but is this is a situation that will only happen once? You seem to write scenes that put the MC in vulnerable position. Changing one scene just to find yourself in a similar conundrum in the future doesn't seem efficient to me.

 

[The Meninist]

Alright, alright. Before this thread becomes a "I'm right, you're wrong" one, I'll say this. Yes, there were a lot of ways I could've done that part of the story, but that's the one I went with. Now, I'm not one to live in my own world and do what I want, so I ask everyone here. Would you like for me to write a different outcome to the Tower scene, and if yes, tell me what you didn't like from the original. I don't plan on touching the rest of the chapter or the game. It's just for that scene because I also would've like to write it differently. It also adds more choice to the player, which is something I want to keep adding.

Do. Not. Change. The. Story. No matter how much people cry about it. The average f95user wants everything they don't like changed to appeal to them. Ive seen a lot of games have stuff i dont agree with but i dont go out of my way to tell the dev "THATS NOT HOW YOU SHOULD'VE HAVE DONE THATTT!!!!" especially if your using a certain inflammatory situation in order to give growth to the mc. I like it personally, it was a pretty ballsy move to have the mc lose control in this way very early in the game. I look forward to seeing how she becomes more assertive. I dont want to see a f95users story i want to see YOUR story. (you should probably add the rape tag though )

 

[Michael_MAN]

There is a Futa protagonist and futa tag but I don't see "anal" tag.
Is it just ordinary boring vaginal sex all the time?

 

[ThisWayUp]

A new update awesome sauce!

 

[Laughingfox]

Alright, alright. Before this thread becomes a "I'm right, you're wrong" one, I'll say this. Yes, there were a lot of ways I could've done that part of the story, but that's the one I went with. Now, I'm not one to live in my own world and do what I want, so I ask everyone here. Would you like for me to write a different outcome to the Tower scene, and if yes, tell me what you didn't like from the original. I don't plan on touching the rest of the chapter or the game. It's just for that scene because I also would've like to write it differently. It also adds more choice to the player, which is something I want to keep adding.

If this is regarding the Veil stuff, I say stay the course. You are clearly building the MC up over time, and it's important to operate under the laws of the world and setup you have created. So the MC has some degree of morals, even if her opposition does not. She sees Veil utterly terrified at the prospect of being violated and turned into a baby making machine, and opts to try and be the bigger person. This is shown by her outright refusal to go rape beast, and really, when it's all said and done, you have her bend her concepts and ideals, but not outright break them.

Veil, as messed up as she is, is being built up to be a lover, not a tool.

Sure, the MC walks into a trap. (A hot trap!) But hilariously, you have her wear Veil down even in *that* condition. And Veil is a necessary catalyst that pushes the whole romance with the fam situation forward, besides.

By the time the (quite large) Chap 3 has ended, the PC has asserted herself, now in a full on romance with the sis type, and is clearly making headway with her mother/guardian. She's growing confident in her skills, shown to be a prodigy regarding magic, and has a mysterious entity trying to guide or corrupt her path. Also, you don't shy away from our futa protagonist enjoying each and every aspect of her body, which is really damned refreshing, let me tell you! (Though her new size is starting to border on absurd. You may need her to cast that healing magic if and when she uses it with her 'human' lovers.)

You've shown the sister to have her own motivations and clear desires, and potential for growth there as well beyond a manipulative pain in the ass. Heck, she even calls out her own behavior, and apologizes. (The moment of casual bickering regarding her stubbornness to refuse changing the hair color of her characters in her 'story' is adorable.)

Anyway. I was a fan before, and I'm a fan now, if not moreso. For whatever it's worth, you have one weird internet rando on a pirate themed lewd forum giving you a enthusiastic thumbs up. Nice work!

If I were to suggest anything, I'd say it'd be nice to look in on Mog or the Cat (or both) and catch up with them, however briefly, just to reinforce their existence and meaning to the PC.

(Regarding the sis and the non existent daughter fantasy within a fantasy, it was fun, and it was hot. I don't understand, are we supposed to complain about bonus content? Heck, you even alluded that the sis may also get a dong at some point, which opens up even more fun options of debauchery in the future.)

 

[Laughingfox]

There is a Futa protagonist and futa tag but I don't see "anal" tag.
Is it just ordinary boring vaginal sex all the time?

Nope, just seems to be missing the tag if that's the case. Especially in the later content, no stone or hole seems to be unchurned unturned.

 

[Brannon]

There is a Futa protagonist and futa tag but I don't see "anal" tag.
Is it just ordinary boring vaginal sex all the time?

Pretty much yes.
Reason for that is that it is the actual goal to defeat AND IMPREGNATE the floor guardians which simply can't be done with anal sex.

Haven't played to the very of Chapter 3 so it is possible a later encounter has anal sex in it.
But even if that is the case you'd have to wade through much content that you apparently don't like very much.

Do. Not. Change. The. Story. No matter how much people cry about it. The average f95user wants everything they don't like changed to appeal to them. Ive seen a lot of games have stuff i dont agree with but i dont go out of my way to tell the dev "THATS NOT HOW YOU SHOULD'VE HAVE DONE THATTT!!!!" especially if your using a certain inflammatory situation in order to give growth to the mc. I like it personally, it was a pretty ballsy move to have the mc lose control in this way very early in the game. I look forward to seeing how she becomes more assertive. I dont want to see a f95users story i want to see YOUR story. (you should probably add the rape tag though )

I agree, it is never good if a developer listens to much to the "fans". That can lead to the developer being known as a bottom bitch and/or is abandoning the game due to lack of interest because s/he is making something s/he does not like personally to "do right by the fans".

However what the situation some are complaining about right now is:
The game has a femdom tag, but there is no actual femdom in the game. That is because scenes that are more or less sold as femdom are governed by the blackmail tag instead.
The sister FORCES MC into sex, there is no consent whatsoever which is required for femdom in at least the dubious variation. For instance if the little sister made a bet with MC and MC lost.
The sequence with the shapeshifter floor guardian also is not female domination but outright rape.
In both cases the femdom is intended, but a more severe tag is taking precedence.

Very simplified example:
Your toe hurts and I hit you in the head with a hammer.
You'll forget the hurting toe ...

That is the general "you". I do not mean YOU personally. It is neither an insult nor a threat.
Thanks for understanding.

The sequence with the orc gilf comes closest to femdom at one point, but it is mutual sex and not her fully dominating MC.
Ultimately meaning the femdom tag is somewhat misplaced. It is a planned tag for sure.
Now that the blackmail supposedly is ending future encounters with the little sister can be classified as femdom without blackmail "interfering".
The game has drug and rape in it WITHOUT them being tagged.

 

[Fazed]

Alright, alright. Before this thread becomes a "I'm right, you're wrong" one, I'll say this. Yes, there were a lot of ways I could've done that part of the story, but that's the one I went with. Now, I'm not one to live in my own world and do what I want, so I ask everyone here. Would you like for me to write a different outcome to the Tower scene, and if yes, tell me what you didn't like from the original. I don't plan on touching the rest of the chapter or the game. It's just for that scene because I also would've like to write it differently. It also adds more choice to the player, which is something I want to keep adding.

If you intend to give the player more options then actually do so, dont pretend to give an option that only turn out to be fake because it changes nothing ultimately. It never feels good to be offered agency and then come to realize there wasnt any in the first place. Otherwise you might as well slap kinetic novel tag on it and forget about options altogether. You said you were trying to movie away from that though... Well the tag is still present

If you do make alteration to that scene, keep the original and offer the alteration as an option.