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Thread is giving me deja vu. How long can we keep cycling back to the same conversation
To be honest, yeah. This feels sort of accurate. If we were going with a serious overhaul of mechanics, then no problem. But this is pretty formulaic. Even with a floor as interesting as the nun's, its still essentially 4 staging points times 3 scenes, plus the boss fight scenes, plus an interactive trigger scene (hiding), and the cage (2 more events). And once you have that process down, you really should be able to stage events all over a floor. So not sure what the hold up really is? They have the art on point. The boss fights down. Multiple floor events down. Throw in the in-fight extras of Khulan or the mechanics of the snake lady (its been that long since ive played the game now i cant remember names). Even the Ms Claus event gave us ridiculously silly mini games that felt annoying and challenging.guys i ll give you my tactic. (dont take risk)FOR 2 MONTHS just forget this game 4head, come back as you ve earned this update... i really did this before and it works wow waiting day by day for an update is bad for your health. Or try to find bugs from the start and enjoy again...
Agreed <3To be honest, yeah. This feels sort of accurate. If we were going with a serious overhaul of mechanics, then no problem. But this is pretty formulaic. Even with a floor as interesting as the nun's, its still essentially 4 staging points times 3 scenes, plus the boss fight scenes, plus an interactive trigger scene (hiding), and the cage (2 more events). And once you have that process down, you really should be able to stage events all over a floor. So not sure what the hold up really is? They have the art on point. The boss fights down. Multiple floor events down. Throw in the in-fight extras of Khulan or the mechanics of the snake lady (its been that long since ive played the game now i cant remember names). Even the Ms Claus event gave us ridiculously silly mini games that felt annoying and challenging.
Honestly after this floor, the next one needs to be a consolidation. No pushing the envelope. Take the events you know (multiple triggering, mini games (claus, boot hunting), throw in a fail ending like Yvonne/khulan, and test the player on their multiple skills over the course of the game thusfar. Basically just whop it out on time and dont try to be ambitious. A couple of on schedule releases and all will be forgiven.
With darktoz im always happy to sub because i know he's constantly trying to push himself. And i know you guys are too. But its so under the hood that i cant quite see it well enough. Take lady cobra (i knew it was snakes!), i know you likely switched up a lot of design elements but i still see (as a player), the boss fights. The same with Karen. I know the things you learned from that are pushing you forward as designers, but i (as a player) see a few mini quests, and an unbeatable boss battle thats pretty much the exact same as a normal boss battle (in this case the health bar = the number of rounds you need to survive, its basically the same to be honest)) along with a save the monks mini game). I dont really know whats different? Which is great because your game has a core identity to it, but might make you guys irritated because i dont recognise the deep changes youre making justifying the increasing delays. Point is, maybe just a couple of floors to consolidate and then move forward. Youve got stacks of mini game play mechanics that are fine (hidden rooms, mini games, boss story arcs, events with consequences). Maybe just roll out a floor or two using what you already know before trying to push things again would keep your subs happy? I promise, they want you to get better but they also just want to replay the game a bit once a month or so instead of once every three months when you figure out the direction you want to go in.
PS. just go in the direction that gave you howevere many undisclosed subs. Last update by the way, Jan 3rd at 1.23pm. Come on dudes. Unless you're building your own engine, this is a bit mental. Its fekkin april. And that wasnt even a real update. It was a mini tide-the-subs-over update. Honestly, and im not trying to hate on you, but... well, its April, dudes. This is a bit silly. I know you need artistic integrity, but im also making an obvious calculation. This calculations is as follows: I could just unsub, let someone else new to the game carry that sub and keep development going, and in 6 months pay 2 bucks and have access to the past 6 months of content... i dont want to get all Adam Smith here, but as a shareholder, im ready to let the next noob buy me out and carry the can until they too realise the nonsense, let their sub lapse and wait for someone else to randomaly stumble on the game and sub to your patreon whike you update floor eleven (sorry guys, bowei has some amazing new ideas so its going to be 2021 before theyre realised...'
This is an attrition business model. You dont have the kind of monopoly required to make it do anything other than contract and lose trust in your user base with your next project. ESPECIALLY should you abandon this clear labour of love (which your fans actually want - jings, the distrust should you just abandon this project - you better have a renpy out your ass to compensate; i mean full on fd foot-worship game (i cant stand footworship by the way, but even i know what your patreons want)). Basically your patreons want ToT content to infinity. And why shouldnt they you lunatics. Man, Do i honestly need to bring Gordon Ramsay (season 18 Hell's kitchen) into this? Why replace your mackerel with sea bass? "Stop running away from success!"
Okay, now im smashed on half a bottle of whiskey, so i'll be blunt ( i just taught a lesson on direct versus informal indirect language - isnt life cute). Get your shit together chaps. This delay is utter bullshit. Make a damn decision on your game. If youve hit the limits, no problem. Tell your subs, and then PRODUCE CONTENT extending it piece by piece every month (see my post below - this is a way after the event drunk edit). Work on your new shit (RPG MAKER is a bag of dicks, any game i download with rpg maker always feels like crap as a gameplaying experience by the way, renpy and even unity feels more immersive). But make sure that every month or so you have some updates to this game because its fucking great. But you keep trying to 'improve it' when you already invented the wheel. Its not getting more circular, chaps. You really have something so brilliant. Just crank out cheap unimaginative updates, we, your fans, will love them. And if you want more money, just create another patreon account, develop something more for your ego and let us sub to that as well. Im sure if its decent, we probably will. Or if you want to be a jerk, put it under bo wei and then have us ToT super fans panic every month when you decide Tot is beneath you and you want to work on your new renpy project.
To be clear, and i know you dont want to spiritually and creatively be restricted, but ToT lower floors (1-3) is art. ToT upper floors is beta. Mechanics and gameplay are kind of secondary. Its YOUR passion project, not your subs. Sure... if it means more efficient, less intrusive and faster updates with your improved skill set, no problem. But if it means 5 month delays while you get your shit together following a 2 month delay to deliver something only people like me want... i dunno, man?
I know this is a passion project and all, but my passion projects make me fuck all money/month. Yours makes you a fes thousand bucks. Not enough to retire on, but its literally free money whilst you learn a new skill. If i had even a tenth of your collective imagination, id... i dunno, design a game? ... would i? Probably not. People are jerks. I might make it for myself, but thats it (you really are amazing for putting this shit in public, and as someone with a death metal demotape in the ether from 1994, it takes heart to put this shit out there, and fuck me, you went viral! and reached people like me in korea. In English. In Korea. This is petty global, eh? Youre getting money from me. Almost nothing i warrant, but its still more than im giving the rest of the planet. Perhaps its not selling out listening to your audience when your audience are pretty much in sync with your own vision and just want what you want (a solid femdom game) and a decent update schedule.
To (mis)quote angryjoe, 'youre doing fucking it up'. You aint done yet. But youre kinda close. This is a bit close to abandonware... Ive played about 40 games waiting for you and darktoz since i found this site, and though you both have the content i crave (and i genuinely trust darktoz because EVERY release is more ambitious than his last one) , i reckon theres a few developers out there biting at your snatch. Femdom isnt quite so niche... or perhaps tired of the lack of games, people in our community are starting to produce shit. Right now youre way ahead. But this time next year... we're niche, sure, but we're also kind of passionate and exacting. But perhaps other people will fill the void. Im seeing games crop up now and again back in the alpha cycle but with genuine solid hc femdom potential. So maybe get your shit together? You can coast on those first few floors for only so long. Soon enough people are going to unsub, and that will lead to you losing interest. Leading to fewer subs. Leading to less interest. Wouldnt it be more exciting to make people want your damn game?
There's two problems with what you're saying:Reading all the comments after having been away for a while, I have to say, people vastly overestimate how often new games get released. New games getting released daily on DLsite? The only developer which might produce different works daily are the ones who do voice works.
Good games take a whole lot more and do tend to have a lot of delays too. For instance I like the works of tower of desire and somme work, and I remember reading the expected release dates for their latest games being somewhere around late 2016/ early 2017 and when they finally got them out it was January 2019. And even after delays, games might still have problems. For example somme work's latest game was their only one where the endings weren't intuitive while it also took really long to get to the end even when skipping everything (no dedicated skip button sucks), and at least the ending I got was bugged so I never got to actually see an actual ending.
And while I remembered them of the top of my head because of the long delays, long development times aren't something new. Looking at some other of my favorite femdom game developers Bosabosa Project also took 3 years to release their latest project, and Msize releases a game every 2 years even though he makes visual novels so he doesn't have to worry about gameplay stuff. Girl beats hero by boko877 which is usually the game most mentioned when talking about another good femdom game in english which is also in development, actually started to be developed about a year earlier than tower off trample (it's tough to remember with all the delays but this game isn't even 18 months old) and I don't know if it even has more content and even if it has, it's not by much.
I know that the delays are frustrating (which is why I hadn't even looked at the forums the past couple weeks) but anyone who thinks that good game can be churned out like they are nothing is seriously underestimating the amount of work that needs to go in them.
We never said this; there is no set date at the moment. Please don't spread release info that doesn't come from Bo or myself.Update will be up "early" May according to discord.
LOL EASILY my man, i can name you 10 first that comes in mind:Can you name 3?
copy pasted ur list to test some of the games since mods will delete this offtopic poste but... yeah u got some nice titles there but others are really far fetched ? honey select is not aimed @ femdom just has the ability to show some optional submissive positions at this rate you could trow the elder scrolls skyrim into this lot u should see my skyrim any way gona try some of the titles you typed that i never heard of i just hope that insult order has any thing promessing among others o.oLOL EASILY my man, i can name you 10 first that comes in mind:
Sexy beach 1\2\3,
Artificial girl 1\2\,
Evenicle,
Custom maid 3d 1\2,
Koikatu
Honey Select
Artificial Academy2
Katawa Shoujo
Mirror <<< @Koda and BO take NOTE OF this 2d puzzle game ABSOLUTLEY FANTASTIC AND SHORT (thats how games are MADE) NOONE NEEDS freaking floors - ppl need CONTENT GIRLS+ SCENES(a LOT OF SCENES)
And many MANY MORE!!! Basicly you can google ANY Illusion 3d Hentai game after 2010y and it will give you 50+ COOL games fully moded 3d chars (mod anyone you LIKE any COSTUME\GENDER\BODY CHANGES\YURI\FUTA\YAOI\TREESOME\HAREM\FEET\FEMDOM\LEZDOM\ETC) and many MANY OPTIONS (practicly limitless)
And you say name 3 - what planet you live on guys????? These game above i mentioned are 1000000000 better than TOT Here (no offence) have better stories\graphics\hentai variations + girls customizations - OMG and you SERIOUSLY will argue with me that im wrong REALLY ? =))))) Just download those from pornolab or any other resource torrents and ENJOY YOUR LIFE!! Yes those games are 10-50+ GB and require normal pc to function (you cant play them on potato) if you have wood pc sorry not my problems..
Oh btw about games on THIS site there are like 40+ here as well
Ill list some below from my mind:
All (Pink Tea) games >> he has cool flash games great quality and story ESPECIALLY >Slave lords of Galaxy< !
Succubus prison house
Harem Hotel
Bell master
Noxian Nights
DueProcess
Gladiators of Elmia <<<nice fighting femdom bitchy rpg
Spiral clicker
Claires quest
Hypno sex
Dungeon buster
Kobold's knight of lifestock
All Kamikadze OUKA games (fighting with submission and bad ends)
Nano Controll
Girl beats hero << Amazing SUBMISSION\HUMILIATION flash game as well
HS Tutor
Kings exit
Yorna <<<nice Corruption game
Insult Order <<<< COOL as FUK ^_^
AND MANY MAAAANY more (juts use browser here GADAMIT ) search by tags you like feet\femdom\submission\ etc dont be so lazy >_>
PS i have played ALL of these and SOO much more games of Hentai stuff and fetishes - just believe me dudes TOT is not so great as "fanboys" write here so PLEASE GODDAMIT STOP FKING SAYING THAT !!!!!!!!!!!! I am 100% right because i have games i played to COMPARE it with.. i have EXPERIENCE TONS of it so dont even start to argue and doubt my opinion.
Thanks all have a nice time playing ^_^
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Well you're kinda addressing a different point than what I want to make though. While the Karen stuff I wasn't the biggest fan of myself (mainly because the image of when Karen gives you a headlock kinda made her look like she was transgendered to me and that kinda ruined it even though I know Bo Wei would never do that and that she had some excellent scenes too). So I can certainly appreciate how if someone waited for months and got something that wasn't his cup of tea, he'd want the frequent updates. Personally I don't think I would care too much for most floors, but if let's say Rose's floor was a 1 month project I'd be disappointed and if they have inspirations about stuff that they want to try out so they'll have refined tools when it's time for the really important floors, I don't mind waiting.There's two problems with what you're saying:
First, no one is holding the devs to an unrealistic standard, people asking for shorter development cycles want a return to the old days of ToT, when updates only took 1-2 months, and not 4-5. The devs have already churned out content at that frequency, so why would you assume it's unreasonable to ask them to go back to that? If anything they should be more adept at it now that they have more experience under their belt.
Second, the devs themselves said they would try to make this change. For a brief moment, they seemed to acknowledge the community's complaints, and so they announced a return to small floors with shorter dev cycles... but then they said they tried it and "it didn't feel right" to them. Ultimately it's their game and they can do whatever they want with it, but to me that's a lousy explanation, especially when Santa's floor was small and had a pretty good reception (maybe better than Karen's, ironically).
I don't know whether Bo is more in touch with the asian part of his game's community or what (some had said so here iirc) , but Koda shows glimpses of wanting to understand this community and give it what it wants, like when he comes to this forum (even though some of us are just filthy pirates) to explain some of the games mechanics, or that one time he explained the reason for some of the delays. But other times, Bo and Koda seem to completely forget about the community's existence, and usually it's on the back of some delay like right now... I don't know about you, but to me that seems like the worst moment to leave your game's fandom in the dark
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It's more than understandable that people would complain given the circumstances, just ignore the few who are trolls like edoitachi
Trust me, I've tried searching by those tags. Any game that is otherwise vanilla or even maledom but has one single femdom scene (which is like, the vast majority of your list) will get tagged with femdom. Searching by feet will basically run a gauntlet of vanilla footjob scenes, and submission will 99.9% of the time be female submission. If you're going to link these types of games then you might as well should just provide a link to dlsite/vndb for a list of upwards of thousands of games that all hit these "tags" but are absolutely nothing like ToT or the precious few femdom games that actually exist on f95.LOL EASILY my man, i can name you 10 first that comes in mind:
Sexy beach 1\2\3,
Artificial girl 1\2\,
Evenicle,
Custom maid 3d 1\2,
Koikatu
Honey Select
Artificial Academy2
Katawa Shoujo
Mirror <<< @Koda and BO take NOTE OF this 2d puzzle game ABSOLUTLEY FANTASTIC AND SHORT (thats how games are MADE) NOONE NEEDS freaking floors - ppl need CONTENT GIRLS+ SCENES(a LOT OF SCENES)
And many MANY MORE!!! Basicly you can google ANY Illusion 3d Hentai game after 2010y and it will give you 50+ COOL games fully moded 3d chars (mod anyone you LIKE any COSTUME\GENDER\BODY CHANGES\YURI\FUTA\YAOI\TREESOME\HAREM\FEET\FEMDOM\LEZDOM\ETC) and many MANY OPTIONS (practicly limitless)
And you say name 3 - what planet you live on guys????? These game above i mentioned are 1000000000 better than TOT Here (no offence) have better stories\graphics\hentai variations + girls customizations - OMG and you SERIOUSLY will argue with me that im wrong REALLY ? =))))) Just download those from pornolab or any other resource torrents and ENJOY YOUR LIFE!! Yes those games are 10-50+ GB and require normal pc to function (you cant play them on potato) if you have wood pc sorry not my problems..
Oh btw about games on THIS site there are like 40+ here as well
Ill list some below from my mind:
All (Pink Tea) games >> he has cool flash games great quality and story ESPECIALLY >Slave lords of Galaxy< !
Succubus prison house
Harem Hotel
Bell master
Noxian Nights
DueProcess
Gladiators of Elmia <<<nice fighting femdom bitchy rpg
Spiral clicker
Claires quest
Hypno sex
Dungeon buster
Kobold's knight of lifestock
All Kamikadze OUKA games (fighting with submission and bad ends)
Nano Controll
Girl beats hero << Amazing SUBMISSION\HUMILIATION flash game as well
HS Tutor
Kings exit
Yorna <<<nice Corruption game
Insult Order <<<< COOL as FUK ^_^
AND MANY MAAAANY more (juts use browser here GADAMIT ) search by tags you like feet\femdom\submission\ etc dont be so lazy >_>
PS i have played ALL of these and SOO much more games of Hentai stuff and fetishes - just believe me dudes TOT is not so great as "fanboys" write here so PLEASE GODDAMIT STOP FKING SAYING THAT !!!!!!!!!!!! I am 100% right because i have games i played to COMPARE it with.. i have EXPERIENCE TONS of it so dont even start to argue and doubt my opinion.
Thanks all have a nice time playing ^_^
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Can't quote more.Footjobs aren't inherently femdom, it's just a specific form of foot fetishism. Frankly, footjobs have become pretty vanilla outside of foot fetishism too -- in terms of mainstream porn anyways. Your definition of femdom via a footjob would essentially include any act of manual stimulation by a woman to a man, and 50% of all main stream porn would be "femdom." Femdom requires situational context and isn't really defined by specific sexual acts, though some are more common in femdom than without. I'd debate this with you further, but demanding my age doesn't give me any reassurance you're arguing in good faith, lol.
That still doesn't make those games a "femdom/foot" game. They might contain femdom/feet scenes, but as I said in my first post, all you need is 1 scene comprising 1% of the total content of a game to have femdom, and an otherwise vanilla/maledom game can be tagged as a femdom game. Why you would think anyone waiting for a ToT update would want to play those games I haven't the foggiest idea.
You were asked to name 3 femdom/feet related games... A simple "no" would have sufficed.LOL EASILY my man, i can name you 10 first that comes in mind:
Sexy beach 1\2\3,
Artificial girl 1\2\,
Evenicle,
Custom maid 3d 1\2,
Koikatu
Honey Select
Artificial Academy2
Katawa Shoujo
Mirror <<< @Koda and BO take NOTE OF this 2d puzzle game ABSOLUTLEY FANTASTIC AND SHORT (thats how games are MADE) NOONE NEEDS freaking floors - ppl need CONTENT GIRLS+ SCENES(a LOT OF SCENES)
And many MANY MORE!!! Basicly you can google ANY Illusion 3d Hentai game after 2010y and it will give you 50+ COOL games fully moded 3d chars (mod anyone you LIKE any COSTUME\GENDER\BODY CHANGES\YURI\FUTA\YAOI\TREESOME\HAREM\FEET\FEMDOM\LEZDOM\ETC) and many MANY OPTIONS (practicly limitless)
And you say name 3 - what planet you live on guys????? These game above i mentioned are 1000000000 better than TOT Here (no offence) have better stories\graphics\hentai variations + girls customizations - OMG and you SERIOUSLY will argue with me that im wrong REALLY ? =))))) Just download those from pornolab or any other resource torrents and ENJOY YOUR LIFE!! Yes those games are 10-50+ GB and require normal pc to function (you cant play them on potato) if you have wood pc sorry not my problems..
Oh btw about games on THIS site there are like 40+ here as well
Ill list some below from my mind:
All (Pink Tea) games >> he has cool flash games great quality and story ESPECIALLY >Slave lords of Galaxy< !
Succubus prison house
Harem Hotel
Bell master
Noxian Nights
DueProcess
Gladiators of Elmia <<<nice fighting femdom bitchy rpg
Spiral clicker
Claires quest
Hypno sex
Dungeon buster
Kobold's knight of lifestock
All Kamikadze OUKA games (fighting with submission and bad ends)
Nano Controll
Girl beats hero << Amazing SUBMISSION\HUMILIATION flash game as well
HS Tutor
Kings exit
Yorna <<<nice Corruption game
Insult Order <<<< COOL as FUK ^_^
AND MANY MAAAANY more (juts use browser here GADAMIT ) search by tags you like feet\femdom\submission\ etc dont be so lazy >_>
PS i have played ALL of these and SOO much more games of Hentai stuff and fetishes - just believe me dudes TOT is not so great as "fanboys" write here so PLEASE GODDAMIT STOP FKING SAYING THAT !!!!!!!!!!!! I am 100% right because i have games i played to COMPARE it with.. i have EXPERIENCE TONS of it so dont even start to argue and doubt my opinion.
Thanks all have a nice time playing ^_^
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I was hoping someone would post it. only seen one of their vids and I can dig itAnyone try the femdom zone by girl bully universe?
You know, i really feel terrible for bo and koda after reading through this thread. They're really working hard trying to make this game the best it can be, they're trying something unique and interesting and most likely amazing, but recently it seems like there is barely anything but toxicity over here. Not just this comment, half of the people here are whining. Can we stop begging for replacements, stop rushing them, stop bitching, stop insulting them, and show a little bit of compassion for the PEOPLE making this?
They need time to create something more unique and in depth than usual, they have told us that, and they're keeping us posted on how it's going. They've even been showing some of the art they've made. This couldn't be further from a dead project. Relax a little, grow something that somewhat resembles a shred of patience, and you'll realise how petty and silly it is to be complaining over what's happening right now.
This game is a godsend for us femdom lovers. Stop demanding quantity over quality, when some quality femdom is exactly what sets this game apart from the rest. It would be a tragedy if all this hate actually has an impact on the game at all. The total lack of any constructive input (aside from one comment), with nothing but demands for content, is exactly why rushed releases and buggy garbage flood the gaming market.
Sorry for the rant, but it would be heartbreaking to see this game ruined from the pressure of so many people begging for updates before they're ready. At least wait to see what comes from it.
I really do visit here once per 2 month so i wouldn't call it waiting for update.I do play my games and lot more every day TY for your concern about my life but i think ill decide where to go and what to play + whom to post.
PS im not bitching about his game not at all i think this game is ok. I just wrote an answer to guys who said that TOT has no concurents and no similar games. I posted list of games that are far superior.Wishing for all of you to open up your eyes and leave this narrow minded world of your "exceptional" game and try out other far greater games.