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Yeah it is getting rly annoying now >:/ Dk how hard it is to mak e a game , but im sure 13 month should be enough to come out with something more than what theyve gave us. Fuck Koda
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Now now let's be fair. Koda might be responsible for the failed spring cleaning, and the failed cobra expansion, but the 7th floor has almost been entirely Bo's 11 month and counting delayed project.
True. I think that was in, what September? So call it 8 month delay from Bo to get the rough draft out, then lets factor in Koda translating cleaning scenes and adding the usual charm and My calculations say that floor 7 part 1 of 15 buggy edition should probably come in around... March of 2020.
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And it was given to him as a buggy, disjoint bucket of scenes with almost nothing in connecting story. We can shit on Koda for a lot of things, but 7F isn't one of them. Not yet, at least.
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And your source for this is... Koda?
Even if it were true, and that's a big if, isn't Koda working under Bo? This is supposed to be Bo's project, right? If Bo hasn't asked Koda to create this "connective tissue" for the story, why does he feel so compelled to do it?
Let me tell you, in every other similar workplace situation that I can imagine, someone who's doing the same thing as Koda right now wouldn't end up being thanked for his extra work, they'd end up being laid off for having made decisions that were never theirs to make, especially if it resulted in pushed release dates.
And let's not forget how incoherent the plot for 6.5F still is, why hasn't he felt the need to fix that?
EDIT: Sorry about the constant editting of my comments btw, I usually comment whatever and then expand upon it or change the formatting a lil bit because I haven't planned what I wanted to say
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If you really think Koda is 200 IQ that he convincingly lies to me while venting about Bo, then you think very highly of him indeed. He shares a fair bit with me, and I very seriously doubt he's lying to me about Bo giving him a very disconnected floor.
Since I'm waiting for code to compile, here's my reasoning for why there is no way he's lying:
- I've played Bo's games? I already knew Bo doesn't care about the 'game' part of 'porn game'.
- I've had to fix or help fix a bunch of Bo's bugs myself. Bo can make things but he doesn't make them properly. 7F being buggy is extremely likely.
- He has absolutely no reason to lie to me, especially before he jokingly called me the f95 liaison. He doesn't really care about what the people here think, and doesn't care what I think, so why bother lying? I'm not even a patron.
tl;dr: I think paranoia is beneath you
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You're making the assumption that I'm making the assumption that Koda's skillfully lying to you and then emotionally manipulating you through those lies or something... when the much more likely explanation is that this is just his obsessive nature making him think that there's a problem with whatever Bo has sent to him, when in reality people would barely notice or care if he were to implement 7F in the state that he got it from Bo.
To make my point let's go back to 6.5F. The plot for that floor so far has been absolutely braindead, you know how many people have noticed? Just me in F95 as far as I'm aware. And you know why I even bothered to complain about it? Because of Koda's hypocrisy, claiming he cares about making stories that make sense and then giving us 6.5F... I wouldn't have cared otherwise.
And while we're at it, I'll say I think you're greatly underestimating Koda's OCD, only someone with issues gives people the wrong release date 10 times in a row... and then does it again except this time over 20 times. And I don't think he should be demeaned for it, but ignoring the fact that something isn't quite right with him isn't gonna do him any favours.
Also as much as I dislike Bo, I think keeping the 'porn' part of 'porn game' as a priority is the obvious way to go. This game isn't some amazing excercise in creativity that you *can* masturbate to if you feel like. This is just a porn game, and an emphasis should be put on the porn part.
And like I said in my other comment after I edited it, isn't it arrogant for Koda to treat Bo's project as his own by making important decisions that will push 7F's release date even more, unilaterally?
This...kinda got a bit off topic from above, but my only original point was that we shouldn't put all the blame on Koda and treat Bo as the perfect developer when BOTH Bo and Koda failed to release any meaningful content for ToT for 10 months. I just didn't like that sometimes people think 'fuck koda fire him' will solve all the world problems and ToT will go back to releasing floors every day. Bo and Koda are equally responsible for the games success...and 'developmental flaws.'
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Don't worry, I'm no fan of Bo either, mainly for different reasons (plagiarism), but this time it seems like these delays are mostly on Koda. And I'm just not buying the "inconsistent story" excuse after 6.5F.
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Was rereading the release news of 6.5, does this mean we will be still stuck on fucking year long floors shit?. Also, how is the work schedule? I mean are they gonna keep pushing the interlude until Bo finish plagiarizing Msize for F7 then pass it to Koda to do his Bioware magic and release a buggy mess 4-5 months later? So there will be another "Ivonne update lying hell 2.0" when that time comes (not counting the one we had in february/march because we got shit for it)?
From what I heard, it was for end of 2019 at best .... No one does buy it tho... Not even their discord moderator.
I just think that when you are unable to produce a new release for whatever reason, you don't produce another mini game aka WG.
Looking at all these people here speaking of WG .... They even says that ToT is delayed due to WG. Koda said it wasn't true months ago (WG's first release) but we all know truth..
I remember the "surprise project" ... .... when we cannot have a simple expansion.
Don't forget guys, Bo doesn't care about patreons and even without any he would deliver the game because he likes it. We don't pay and don't wait for the game. As he shares the game, we share too. I think it is a better logic than patreon logic...
Btw people from their discord lurking (or not) here, say Hello from me to the pasta I eat and the Spanish Crusader that kill Zazzarro ^.^ They 'll understand x)
I just think that when you are unable to produce a new release for whatever reason, you don't produce another mini game aka WG.
Looking at all these people here speaking of WG .... They even says that ToT is delayed due to WG. Koda said it wasn't true months ago (WG's first release) but we all know truth..
I remember the "surprise project" ... .... when we cannot have a simple expansion.
Don't forget guys, Bo doesn't care about patreons and even without any he would deliver the game because he likes it. We don't pay and don't wait for the game. As he shares the game, we share too. I think it is a better logic than patreon logic...
Btw people from their discord lurking (or not) here, say Hello from me to the pasta I eat and the Spanish Crusader that kill Zazzarro ^.^ They 'll understand x)
"They'll understand."
I'll take your word for it...
Also is it sad that the reason I was subscribed to Bo's patron for as long as I was, was at the end purely due to chatting to people on the discord? It was a pretty fun time, let me make memes like this.
I think it was about 7 months in of uncaring radio silence from one dev and daily broken promises of falsified hype from another that made me finally stray away. Respect with those who managed to stay longer then me.
I'll probably go back if Tower of Trample patron can manage 2 successful releases in a row in a timely manner. Of less then 12-18 months between 20 minute expansions.
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WG 1.0 expected three years from now.
ToT new enemy comes out "when it's ready".
This is some cyberpunk 2077 shit, folks
ToT new enemy comes out "when it's ready".
This is some cyberpunk 2077 shit, folks
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You've probably seen the bugs and broken English, but I really doubt you've seen how it's all "disconnected" like Koda says. And that's what's relevant to this discussion because of three simple reasons:
*Making some safe assumptions based on what you've told us*
1. Bo hasn't asked Koda to do this, unlike the other two.
2. It's gonna take Koda a lot of time to do this, more than the other two.
3. "F7 feels disconnected" and "scenes don't flow well" are very ambiguous statements. It isn't clear what Koda means here and there's no clear-cut solution to these problems, unlike with the other two.
You won't like what I have to say here, but I think that you're biased due to being a programmer and a friend to Koda. I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of people would like the 'game' aspect to take a backseat, and for the 'porn' aspect to be focused on the most. Putting 'game' on the same level as 'porn' is how we get absurd config settings like "Auto QTE Difficulty" and "Lite Progress Info" settings, and other completely unnecessary QoL stuff like toggleable Mouse Support...
And now you're reaching. First off, if Koda feels like he has to make the plot dumb as hell for us to understand it, why does he think that we'll notice the lack of "connective tissue" for the story? You're just making my point here a̶n̶d̶ ̶b̶e̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶k̶i̶n̶d̶a̶ ̶r̶u̶d̶e. If Koda doesn't think we'll be able to tell, then the only reason he's doing it is self-gratification, which seems like a mighty bad reason to keep pushing 7F's release even further, especially since ToT is still primarily Bo's project.
Secondly, what is it that needs to be "spelled out"? That there's a connection between Swan and Crow? Apart from the fact that it should be painfully obvious even to Ethan and the 6.5F bros, we are the player. We have outside information, meta knowledge, a player's perspective. What you're saying makes zero sense, anyone should've been aware that there's a deeper connection between Swan and Crow for a myriad of reasons, like for example the fact that they're women being added to ToT at the same time...
Thirdly, and this one makes me think you didn't think what I said through at all.
This makes no sense either. Even if you choose to believe that Swan=Crow, my criticism still stands. The characters should be able to guess that there's a deeper connection between Swan and Crow than what it seems at first. They have extremely similar nicknames and outfits, and are both operating in the same floor at the same time. The deeper connection might be that they're actually the same person if you like that theory. If they end up going with that, it only makes the characters even dumber for not realizing that they have the same body type, or voice, or that they've never seen them both in the same room at the same time, etc.
Not...going to touch the top bit so I'll only quote the bottom dealing with the Swan crow story. Want to point out I feel there are several things you are missing. "Crow" is not crow's name, that the name the monks refer to her as so because of her armor. So to say they should make the connection, "She calls herself doctor Swan, we decided to call our enemy Crow? Bird of a Femdom they are in on it!" Seems a little unfair, as they could have named her "Black armor lady."
As for not noticing body type see above, "Crow" is covered head to toe in armor so they can't tell from that. (Also you could write three paragraphs describing Swan's body shape and it'd still apply to 7/8 other tower wardens. Bo tends to have a type.)
As for calling them dumb for all trusting swan are they? I only encountered one guy who already drank the cool aid with her, with the red hair guy at the bottom not trusting her in the least, and Ethan swapping back and forth.
And lastly as stated, they are FORCED to trust swan to an extent as the monks would surely die without her aid.
I'm...not really sure why you are so against the Swan and Crow story. I personally think the dynamic of double wardens of differing personalities is a unique twist on things. To push the bird metaphor farther, it seems the crow scared the boys into a cage and the swan is there to make it a 'gilded cage' they choose to reside in.
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