RPGM Tower of Trample [v1.18.0.4 + Standalone SC3] [Bo Wei/Koda]

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Onyxzz

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I don't understand people who are still patreons... I understand you liked the work up until now, but 2 months without any update; I don't wanna start anything but you're supporting them not donating. It's like you're paying them for nothing. And 3000$ per month. That's a fair amount of money for a game.
 

bahamut2195

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I don't understand people who are still patreons... I understand you liked the work up until now, but 2 months without any update; I don't wanna start anything but you're supporting them not donating. It's like you're paying them for nothing. And 3000$ per month. That's a fair amount of money for a game.
It's a fair question. I would assume it's because they don't think $2 (or whatever currency) per month is worth getting upset over. Or they like having discord access. There is even a chance some just like feeling entitled vs us peasants and thieves who don't donate. Or they fear that Bo and Koda will stop producing if their Patreon numbers drop.

Maybe some of the Patreons on here will share their reasons? Though I am sure if any do, they'll be brutalized by some of the more vociferous members here, so I wouldn't blame them for not voicing their reasons.
 
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GearlessJoe

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Either way we can all agree that one of the main reasons why we're not getting out of this delay-filled development hell anytime soon is the patrons' continued support. They have the power to force Bo to reconsider keeping the non-motivated Koda as his co-dev, but they do nothing with it just like Bo does nothing with his ability to put pressure on Koda himself.
But hey, at least Mari from the MGD mod is getting some content this month, even if it's miniscule I was only going to play level 0 for the maid anyway, and it'll probably end up being higher quality too...
 

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It's a fair question. I would assume it's because they don't think $2 (or whatever currency) per month is worth getting upset over. Or they like having discord access. There is even a chance some just like feeling entitled vs us peasants and thieves who don't donate. Or they fear that Bo and Koda will stop producing if their Patreon numbers drop.

Maybe some of the Patreons on here will share their reasons? Though I am sure if any do, they'll be brutalized by some of the more vociferous members here, so I wouldn't blame them for not voicing their reasons.
You have a very good point, I've already stopped supporting FWFS because their last update was before Adam and Eve were born and I stopped supporting Under the Witch because he's trying to add so much content all at one time before releasing it. TOT??? It's getting close to that point. These artist are very talented, but lets be honest here, if you're making a porn game, Keep it simple and straight to the point. Because it's not like we're going to be playing this all day and night like Assassin's Creed or Watch Dogs Legion.
 

olorex11

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Either way we can all agree that one of the main reasons why we're not getting out of this delay-filled development hell anytime soon is the patrons' continued support. They have the power to force Bo to reconsider keeping the non-motivated Koda as his co-dev, but they do nothing with it just like Bo does nothing with his ability to put pressure on Koda himself.
But hey, at least Mari from the MGD mod is getting some content this month, even if it's miniscule I was only going to play level 0 for the maid anyway, and it'll probably end up being higher quality too...
Shit, that reminds me I have to grind to rush the Imp Den to meet Villi. Do we have to redownload a mod for Mari's new stuff?
Also I'm really interested in knowing how is the discord server taking his bullshit after providing 3 false dates in a month? If he crafting another forgettable QTE minigame (With even smaller and uglier arrows!!!) or does he doesn't know where to put the tongue/feet licking CG he is so proud off since Tiffany's trap?
 
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If you want change, unsub and in the box politely explain why, since those reasons are emailed to bo wei. The only thing that changes situations like this is a dip in money. No other project of this size is managed like this. It's genuinely shameful that these guys get so much money when content creators who work so, so much harder are scraping by on nothing. Any other creator will appreciate your donation more, and won't make snide comments at you for being irritated.

I'd also like to stress that, as someone who has worked in games both on professional projects at major game studios, and on passion projects; including ones using RPGVXACE, this isn't normal. What koda is doing does not take this long if you aren't either really bad at using the tools (rpg maker is designed to be as user friendly as possible, that's why creators use it; it's simple, cheap, and heavily customizable) or they're working far less than they're telling the public. This isn't a technical hurdle, it's user error. The bulk of what koda does is rewrite scenes around existing art assets because bo is either unwilling or incapable of handling the writing. This includes jumbling around assets, but probably very little tech work, especially on a project this vested.

He's important and the game couldn't happen at all without him, but he's absolutely a liar when it comes to the nature of the work. If I handed this project to another of the major rpgvx creators tomorrow they'd have stuff of similar quality in much less time.

I'd be fine with it if it was clear koda was just an idiot, but he's not. He's capable of delivering things on time, or setting reasonable release Windows. Why? Because hundreds of other writers and developers do it, in this very website. He's a liar who drags his feet to get more of the likely split share of patreon money. It's no different from a major developer promising things they can't or won't deliver. It's the new age snake oil salesmen.

Stop buying into it. Go fund the people behind Quest Failed, or Majalis, or Deathblight or fucking anyone who makes a product you like that is capable of releasing on time. These are porn games, the stakes have never been lower, but your money is still your money
 
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starvoyager

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for one, 'probably best not to make another estimate' and 'hopefully not too much longer' don't really go in the same sentence.

and secondly: how do they still have that many patrons?
also i can't help but think that the 'thanks as always for your patience' is at least a little sarcastic
 

badwulf51

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the only good stuff in tot is kodas writing i dont give 2 shits for bos plagiaristic cgs
Kodas writing is beyond sub par. One time before some dude here basically said "lol kodas writing suxs xD" and koda came into the thread for the first time in months and essentially wrote a 7 page essay on how hes writing is comparable to shake sphere. After this, we gotta new WG update and man let me tell you the dialogue in this update after koda had his little rant was BLOATED and TRY HARD as hell (see: that one scene where one of the spectators, maybe emissary I cant remember, goes on a 5 minute long philosophical word salad about the role of a slave in society.)
 
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If you want change, unsub and in the box politely explain why, since those reasons are emailed to bo wei. The only thing that changes situations like this is a dip in money. No other project of this size is managed like this. It's genuinely shameful that these guys get so much money when content creators who work so, so much harder are scraping by on nothing. Any other creator will appreciate your donation more, and won't make snide comments at you for being irritated.

I'd also like to stress that, as someone who has worked in games both on professional projects at major game studios, and on passion projects; including ones using RPGVXACE, this isn't normal. What koda is doing does not take this long if you aren't either really bad at using the tools (rpg maker is designed to be as user friendly as possible, that's why creators use it; it's simple, cheap, and heavily customizable) or they're working far less than they're telling the public. This isn't a technical hurdle, it's user error. The bulk of what koda does is rewrite scenes around existing art assets because bo is either unwilling or incapable of handling the writing. This includes jumbling around assets, but probably very little tech work, especially on a project this vested.

He's important and the game couldn't happen at all without him, but he's absolutely a liar when it comes to the nature of the work. If I handed this project to another of the major rpgvx creators tomorrow they'd have stuff of similar quality in much less time.

I'd be fine with it if it was clear koda was just an idiot, but he's not. He's capable of delivering things on time, or setting reasonable release Windows. Why? Because hundreds of other writers and developers do it, in this very website. He's a liar who drags his feet to get more of the likely split share of patreon money. It's no different from a major developer promising things they can't or won't deliver. It's the new age snake oil salesmen.

Stop buying into it. Go fund the people behind Quest Failed, or Majalis, or Deathblight or fucking anyone who makes a product you like that is capable of releasing on time. These are porn games, the stakes have never been lower, but your money is still your money
From what I get, Bo Wei hadn't even drawn the map of the throne room, so all those talks of "had finished with the queen, but we decided to expend" were also lies. Or they lied about Bo Wei only drawing the map recently in hope of making the people think it had progressed rather than just releasing a months-old pic.
 

badwulf51

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Also a little healthy reminder that the last time koda pulled the old "given two release dates and delayed each one" and then said something along the lines of "oh ya just a bit more time but I wont give a date just so I dont piss someone off" he took 3 additional weeks to release it while maintaining total radio silence.
 
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