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Verisimilinude

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I understand. Just would be a sad sad character point. Like, you would have to have some crazy trauma or mental disorder to throw your kids away for a slob. Wouldn't make sense for her to just develop it because he's good at fucking. It's why I like ugly bastards with a heart of....silver lol. They can win the woman over and actually not suck. They might even improve as a person and the heartbreak of the MC feels more real. Yeah, he's not a better man...he's a better person, at least for her.
I agree with you and you bring up an excellent point. Up to this stage of the series, all three MC's are flawed and dysfunctional humans. The real breaking point, for me anyway, is exactly that; if Sarah does abandon her daughters -- choose Lester over them, that's a betrayal of the worst kind. I'd have to read what's written for context, but that would probably be a deal breaker for me and this series. She's flawed, she's done some wicked and depraved shit, but a mother betraying her children... that would be an unforgivable in my view.
 
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She's trading him for a slob with a lot of money, and she likes to have a good financial standard. The world is capitalist, she won't leave her children in a shelter, she'll give custody to the father, she'll be able to visit her daughters (weekend mom), and she'll have the financial security to help if needed. Let's see if Lester will work on his appearance a little. I hope there will be fights in the marriage, especially regarding Lester using the children's bed for sex.
Trading her kids for money and sex makes even less sense, and again, it shows how she's always been a horrible person which is the trash taking itself out. Not saying it doesn't make sense but the sting of it is far far less.
 
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Trading her kids for money and sex makes even less sense, and again, it shows how she's always been a horrible person which is the trash taking itself out. Not saying it doesn't make sense but the sting of it is far far less.
But I'm not talking about Sarah willingly giving up her daughters. Lester is the one who doesn't want Sarah's children, and Lester is very dirty, so it's very likely he'll do something with the paperwork and deceive Sarah, and when she realizes it, it'll be too late. Dan hasn't installed the cameras he bought yet, he hasn't contacted the people. I hope he installs normal cameras, not online ones. So Lester doesn't have access, Lester also has no reason to suspect there are cameras. And Dan starts to overhear their conversations, some betrayals. I hope they find development in Dan in the next chapters. He doesn't even need to have sex with the Sentinel employee, but this development of finding the other girl Lester said was his girlfriend (I forgot her name). We'll see Lester in the hospital, start having less sex and more plot development.
 

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Crazy logic and a wild leap, hmmm, that's an interesting viewpoint. I can't speak for you, but I live in a world where every person has a right to agency over their own body and decisions. Being married doesn't change that fact. Marriage isn't about owning your spouse or telling them what is "permissible" or what isn't. It's about sacrifice and compromise, because you have love and respect for one another and a sincere desire to live that life together as equals.

But that's the real world, my discussion was about this particular story. This story started as a loving couple whose husband wanted to dabble in something kinky. Dan asked her to be daring and naughty, Sarah wasn't really into it but she wanted to make him happy. Once Sarah tasted the forbidden fruit and knowing it turned Dan on, made decisions to keep pushing the envelope. And Dan was there every step of the way, he had opportunities to say "I think you've gone too far Sarah. I'd like us to stop" or "I think we should communicate Sarah, this isn't heading in a direction I like" but did he do that? No he sat back and got a chubby watching Sarah fall deeper into his and eventually their shared fantasy. Sure he made half-hearted appeals, and talked around the subject that was bothering him, but he didn't communicate.

On the flip side, Sarah's no saint, she saw the signs even if she didn't want to admit it. She got a taste of great sex and manipulated Dan on a few occasions and omitted things bc deep down she knew it was wrong and that if she told Dan, he might have actually said "I want to stop." However you do have to consider the fact that she's been groomed from the beginning by Lester, psychologically programmed over a long period of time to crave what Lester is dishing out. That doesn't make her actions excusable, but it does provide a basis of why she isn't thinking straight.

If anything this is a cautionary tale of being careful what you wish for because you are going to get burned. Fortunately I don't conflate fiction with my reality, I don't project/insert myself into any of the characters, I read the facts as written and offer my opinions and analysis of the fiction. I only broaden my views when others try to kink shame someone or tell others how they should feel, think or believe. I'm not perfect but I do try to keep my opinions objective.

As to your question my answer would be "don't let the door hit you on the way out."
I get you. My son ain't my slave or property either but if he was like "dad when I grow up I wanna smoke meth" you know what I mean
 
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I do think you'll have to wait on this for a bit. It reads as if this is going to be the new corruption goal of the series; Sarah accepting Lester as a person, not a sex toy (paired with Sarah accepting she wants to have Lester's progeny). In order for that to happen, Lester will have to convert Renee. Once Sarah's parents accept him "publicly" then it will be easier for Sarah to accept it.
I agree with you Veri, but I think that he is more focused on dehumanizing Dan right now. He must (in his mind) get Sarah brainwashed to believe that Dan is only "less than" while allowing her the "pleasure" of knowing true pleasure through him, the "greater than." Actually, I think it may work from here on out to type "<" when talking about Dan and ">" when talking about Lester. Ha! Math Jokes!! :whistle:
 

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I get you. My son ain't my slave or property either but if he was like "dad when I grow up I wanna smoke meth" you know what I mean
OH absolutely, when you have kids you have a responsibility to protect them, a duty you signed up for when you decided to raise children.

When it comes to two spouses though, it's different. Each of them should have enough care and respect for their spouse and themselves to conduct themselves in a way that demonstrates that respect, however (and I'm making a general observation, not saying you have or share this opinion) the days of a woman, keeping her mouth shut and doing what the husband tells her to, or "seeking his permission" are long buried.

It's sad but marriages don't last like they use to, people fall out of love, or are exposed to something better (or better in their mind) and the temptation to experience something better is there. It's what we have here in TA. Sarah was exposed to better sex, and she was seduced by a confluence of events (some within her control and some external) that allowed her to indulge. Does that make it right, not my place to say, but what I do know is that Dan has no right to dictate what she can and can't do.

He initiated this path they are on and she humored him. He had every right to speak up to voice his concerns but what has he really done: he indulged in his own fantasies, he gave in to his own lust, instead of speaking to her like an adult he threw a temper tantrum when he realized it wasn't just his fantasy anymore, and out of 34 chapters he's only once asked her to stop. But even that was a token request, because after he found out she hadn't stopped, he fell right back into the reluctant cuck mentality.

I have no sympathy for Dan, because he has none for himself. He's not the paragon of upstanding husband material, that a particular member on here likes to claim. At best I feel apathy for him. But that's okay because I know it's purposeful, because that's how DS has written the character. I don't think this story would have worked beyond Sarah mistakenly having sex with Lester in chapter 7. If Dan was a typical male, he would have been furious that Jessie instigated the events and he'd remove Sarah from the source of temptation, pack his bags and find a better path for him and his family. By having Dan weak and basically a doormat, it allows DS to continue writing the story that he wants to tell.
 
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I agree with you Veri, but I think that he is more focused on dehumanizing Dan right now. He must (in his mind) get Sarah brainwashed to believe that Dan is only "less than" while allowing her the "pleasure" of knowing true pleasure through him, the "greater than." Actually, I think it may work from here on out to type "<" when talking about Dan and ">" when talking about Lester. Ha! Math Jokes!! :whistle:
Yeah I get Lester's plan, but idk it feels off now. I mean when it was part of his attack to take/conquer Sarah, it made sense, but now that he has effectively "won", and I use that term loosely, it just feels like someone beating a dead horse. Small does would have better served in my opinion, and maybe that's what bothered me about 34. Like eating all the butter pecan ice cream you could get your hands on, tasted great in the beginning but at some point you just feel sick.
 
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Where the story is headed I don't think Sarah or her parents will be allowed to see the kids at all Dan will end up with full custody.
Your comment got me to thinking about the ending for this series. We hear DS say it's dark, but none of us knows what DS thinks dark is. So I was speculating about what would be the worst possible outcome for Dan and it dawned on me. IMO it would be that Lester has a health issue and expires, Sarah is devastated, Dan has reconciled and accepted Sarah's past, while packing up Dan's things from the apartment, Sarah finds all of Lester's hard drives. And the ending scene is that she turns down Dan when he wants to have sex and he finds her in his office pleasuring herself while watching her past performances with Lester. That would have to be a serious kick in the nuts. He's gone and yet, Lester still controls her and by proxy Dan, from the grave.

And the sad thing is it's not too far removed from what happened in Tainted Conception (sans all the unearned super spy nonsense).
 

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See, with this past chapter I thought I would notice something so I went back a few chapters with Lester saying he was the only Daddy in the house, and Sarah saying it as well, I thought I would notice Sarah stop calling her own dad daddy, but I noticed she's called him just dad plenty of times, I then thought she'd have a reaction when her kids called Dan daddy, but she didn't.
I think it's too late for Dan to get this girl involved all that does is beat the dead horse of Dan telling Sarah, Sarah not believing him, maybe even worst it puts the original girl back in his clutches, and then she can't be saved. However it could kick start Dan actually investigating stuff I mean what happened with Discord? Dead end so he stopped checking.
I know nobody wants her to abandon the kids, but it's felt like that is where the story is heading forever, Lester wants nothing to do with the kids, and has conquered the mother Sarah, sleeping with her in the kids room, making her late to pick the kids up so the parents had to, sleeping with her while the kids are home, so yes I in fact think she would choose Lester over them.
Now with getting the mother involved, I think if he conquers Renee, and things go south I don't think Dan will want the girls around Sarah or Renee so Dan ends up with complete custody.
Lester has a heart attack or gets arrested after everything, or the continued mention of looking like he's having a heart attack is pointless, or the mention of people trying to track him down is pointless.
Or worst yet, they find his PC and stuff, and Sarah says it all belongs to Dan, fully betraying Dan.
 
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Yeah I get Lester's plan, but idk it feels off now. I mean when it was part of his attack to take/conquer Sarah, it made sense, but now that he has effectively "won", and I use that term loosely, it just feels like someone beating a dead horse. Small does would have better served in my opinion, and maybe that's what bothered me about 34. Like eating all the butter pecan ice cream you could get your hands on, tasted great in the beginning but at some point you just feel sick.
I don't think he has completely won, though. I think Sarah would still say it was just sex talk, with the exception of telling Lester she loved him, she even had to admit to herself that was more real than not and knew she would have to talk to Dan about it. I believe that Lester knows that Sarah will say it is just sex talk, but he wants for her to believe what she is saying and until he knows she does he will continue...
 
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See, with this past chapter I thought I would notice something so I went back a few chapters with Lester saying he was the only Daddy in the house, and Sarah saying it as well, I thought I would notice Sarah stop calling her own dad daddy, but I noticed she's called him just dad plenty of times, I then thought she'd have a reaction when her kids called Dan daddy, but she didn't.
I think it's too late for Dan to get this girl involved all that does is beat the dead horse of Dan telling Sarah, Sarah not believing him, maybe even worst it puts the original girl back in his clutches, and then she can't be saved. However it could kick start Dan actually investigating stuff I mean what happened with Discord? Dead end so he stopped checking.
I know nobody wants her to abandon the kids, but it's felt like that is where the story is heading forever, Lester wants nothing to do with the kids, and has conquered the mother Sarah, sleeping with her in the kids room, making her late to pick the kids up so the parents had to, sleeping with her while the kids are home, so yes I in fact think she would choose Lester over them.
Now with getting the mother involved, I think if he conquers Renee, and things go south I don't think Dan will want the girls around Sarah or Renee so Dan ends up with complete custody.
Lester has a heart attack or gets arrested after everything, or the continued mention of looking like he's having a heart attack is pointless, or the mention of people trying to track him down is pointless.
Or worst yet, they find his PC and stuff, and Sarah says it all belongs to Dan, fully betraying Dan.
I know I can be too dark when I found myself really liking the idea of your last line, hmmmmmmmm...
 

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I liked this math joke between Lester + and Dan -; they could use it between themselves (Sarah and Lester). And Dan could hear Sarah and Lester constantly denigrating him. The Sentinel employee could already say Dan is D+ (in a work situation, saying he's the best). Now I expect a heated fight between Dan and Sarah (now that everything is over), with Dan fighting over the use of his daughters' beds and bedrooms for sex, questioning how Lester knew about the safe word (since they switched the phrase and how Lester knew pineapple was the new safe word, which was never used). Sarah has indeed forgotten or given up her daughters several times for the pleasure of sex. (Some women actually do this). Sarah will show her bad side. As for Dan being blamed for the hacking, it's unlikely he doesn't have a degree in the field, nor does he have the equipment (any simple investigation can clear him of blame).
Dan, with the help of the Sentinel girl, has to rob Lester and leave him poor. Lester has to make Sarah wear his ring and leave Dan's aside. Sarah also now has Lester paying for everything (you could say that her husband is now in control of the finances and has nothing to fear, and he gave her a new engagement ring). How long has it been since Dan had sex with his wife?
- I hope that in the next chapter, Dan tries something with Sarah and she says no, denying her husband that she belongs to Lester.
- I expect a fight between them and questions about the pineapple and using the children's bed.
- More dialogue and drama development, whether it's ending the hospital part or Dan on the lookout, searching for the former tenant, or talking to her fiancé, and them joining forces for revenge.
 

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OH absolutely, when you have kids you have a responsibility to protect them, a duty you signed up for when you decided to raise children.

When it comes to two spouses though, it's different. Each of them should have enough care and respect for their spouse and themselves to conduct themselves in a way that demonstrates that respect, however (and I'm making a general observation, not saying you have or share this opinion) the days of a woman, keeping her mouth shut and doing what the husband tells her to, or "seeking his permission" are long buried.

It's sad but marriages don't last like they use to, people fall out of love, or are exposed to something better (or better in their mind) and the temptation to experience something better is there. It's what we have here in TA. Sarah was exposed to better sex, and she was seduced by a confluence of events (some within her control and some external) that allowed her to indulge. Does that make it right, not my place to say, but what I do know is that Dan has no right to dictate what she can and can't do.

He initiated this path they are on and she humored him. He had every right to speak up to voice his concerns but what has he really done: he indulged in his own fantasies, he gave in to his own lust, instead of speaking to her like an adult he threw a temper tantrum when he realized it wasn't just his fantasy anymore, and out of 34 chapters he's only once asked her to stop. But even that was a token request, because after he found out she hadn't stopped, he fell right back into the reluctant cuck mentality.

I have no sympathy for Dan, because he has none for himself. He's not the paragon of upstanding husband material, that a particular member on here likes to claim. At best I feel apathy for him. But that's okay because I know it's purposeful, because that's how DS has written the character. I don't think this story would have worked beyond Sarah mistakenly having sex with Lester in chapter 7. If Dan was a typical male, he would have been furious that Jessie instigated the events and he'd remove Sarah from the source of temptation, pack his bags and find a better path for him and his family. By having Dan weak and basically a doormat, it allows DS to continue writing the story that he wants to tell.

I can't understand that, Verisimilinude!

You keep repeating that Dan initiated all this – I agree with that. But that's no longer up for debate!
What Sarah did with it is utterly despicable and pure deception!
Because that's what we're talking about...
I still don't understand how you can think that Dan would remain silent about everything and not speak up to bring about a change and/or put a complete stop to the whole thing.
That's not true!
On the contrary, I can show you at least six or seven passages off the top of my head where he tried to put Sarah and especially Lester in their place.
But each time, Sarah prevented him from doing so, either with guests or with physical actions.
One example is in Chapter 33, when Lester called to make his manipulative, blackmailing proposal. Dan reacted negatively and angry, but before he could express this, Sarah silenced him (she grabbed him by the shoulder and made it clear to him with guests present that he should hold back). During the phone call, Dan's negative reaction was repeated several times, and each time he was silenced by Sarah.
There are plenty of such reactions and actions in the previous chapters.
This shows us that Dan disagrees with many things and only puts up with them out of love and respect for his wife and children (Family).

Furthermore, marriage is not a compromise, but an essential part of human existence and population. ‘Wild marriages’ are only observed in the animal world and only occur when the female animal is instinctively ‘in heat’ and in ‘mating season’.
Marriage is the water of life, which does not arise from a compromise between oxygen and hydrogen, but from natural law. It also has its ups and downs, sometimes freezing into ice and sometimes turning into gas, but basically it is liquid, flows into each other and forms the elixir of life, like marriage, which is considered the foundation and guarantor of human existence.

For what you favour and describe, there is no need to enter into the ‘marriage covenant’. In your view, a woman has the right to satisfy her sexual excesses outside of marriage at any time with a larger penis than her husband has.
Therefore, she is not bound by marital fidelity because, in your opinion, she becomes a slave to her husband!
In your world, a wife has only attained complete freedom when she can live out her carnal sexual satisfaction's anytime, anywhere and with different men besides her husband!

According to this, we don't need any laws, any constitution, any rules; we should just live in anarchy!

Great views, respect!

-- PC
 

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Everybody saying they hated this chapter but after a long long time I have seen such discussion happen here.

A long time. For good or bad this ch was a memorable one


A real change of palette and about Dan in this chapter. He is in the mindbroken phase of his cuck cycle
Don't get me wrong im still looking for other stories just no one is posting them anywhere, and usually Kemono takes 1-3 days for the stories I look for, but no update yet. Last time I subscribed just to read a story the very next day it was on Kemono so I'm waiting it out.
This story isn't bad, it's just dragging on and on in comparison to the writers other works.
 

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Everybody saying they hated this chapter but after a long long time I have seen such discussion happen here.

A long time. For good or bad this ch was a memorable one


A real change of palette and about Dan in this chapter. He is in the mindbroken phase of his cuck cycle
Yeah mindbroken and nothing to lose apart his children, i hope for a reawakening of Brutal Dan who completely crush Lester before, when you have nothing more to lose you can do anything
 
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I liked this math joke between Lester + and Dan -; they could use it between themselves (Sarah and Lester). And Dan could hear Sarah and Lester constantly denigrating him. The Sentinel employee could already say Dan is D+ (in a work situation, saying he's the best). Now I expect a heated fight between Dan and Sarah (now that everything is over), with Dan fighting over the use of his daughters' beds and bedrooms for sex, questioning how Lester knew about the safe word (since they switched the phrase and how Lester knew pineapple was the new safe word, which was never used). Sarah has indeed forgotten or given up her daughters several times for the pleasure of sex. (Some women actually do this). Sarah will show her bad side. As for Dan being blamed for the hacking, it's unlikely he doesn't have a degree in the field, nor does he have the equipment (any simple investigation can clear him of blame).
Dan, with the help of the Sentinel girl, has to rob Lester and leave him poor. Lester has to make Sarah wear his ring and leave Dan's aside. Sarah also now has Lester paying for everything (you could say that her husband is now in control of the finances and has nothing to fear, and he gave her a new engagement ring). How long has it been since Dan had sex with his wife?
- I hope that in the next chapter, Dan tries something with Sarah and she says no, denying her husband that she belongs to Lester.
- I expect a fight between them and questions about the pineapple and using the children's bed.
- More dialogue and drama development, whether it's ending the hospital part or Dan on the lookout, searching for the former tenant, or talking to her fiancé, and them joining forces for revenge.
First, thank you, always looking for validation among math jokes (they multiply, you know :ROFLMAO:).
Second, I am going to go back and look, but I swear Dan was saying pineapple when he pulled Lester off of Sarah and threw him out.
Third: Like I stated earlier, I totally believe it is time for a knock down, drag out fight in which Sarah leaves wearing Lester's ring and not Dan's. She makes this obvious to Dan and tells him it is his turn to be the LOCAL parent (a dig at him always being somewhere else due to his incompetence that cost him his local job -- she did this one other time when they were fighting). Then she tells him she is going to spend alone time with Lester and she doesn't know when she will be back, but she is looking to actually be fucked and by a man and that obviously is not going to happen as long as Dan is here (her first denigrating thing she has said away from Lester about Dan's sexual state of being and his little worm size). She shows up at Lester's hotel room and they spend a week together, with her completely in-love with Lester and feeling a bit of disappointment and disgust with Dan.
Fourth, I absolutely love the idea of Sarah denying Dan, on her own, especially if she does nothing at all, right then. Lies on the couch and texts someone, laughing throughout. (He doesn't realize that it is Lester she is texting and they are laughing about him -- although he begins to think a good deal of his wife's laughter with other people she talks to is about him, as paranoia rises thanks to Lester.)
Fifth, they had sex soon after he arrived back home, this time; a couple of paragraphs after Dan kicks Lester out on his ass, I believe. Not very descriptive, I believe on purpose as Don wants us to think about Lester and Sarah, not Dan and Sarah.