Verisimilinude
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Good Evening PC, hope you're doing well.
“Who is it?” Dan asked.
Sarah paused before answering, “Lester. He wants to FaceTime with me.”
“Tell him to go away,” Dan grumbled and went back to looking at the papers in front of him.
However did he say "Sarah I don't like this, please don't answer it" or "Sarah before we have any more interaction with Lester I want us to have an honest discussion." No he held up his hands, said WTF in his head (hoping she would know what that meant) basically showing his frustration and then followed it up with:
“Lester,” Dan said, holding down his anger, “Sarah and I are busy. I don’t have the patience to play one of your games right now, okay? Can you just get on with what you want to say so we can go back to it?”
and later with this:
Dan looked back at Lester’s ugly, fat, smug face taking up the entire phone screen, “What kind of agreement?”
If he had followed up the first part of that section and hung up the call, I would agree with you, he was a man doing what he had to do to protect his marriage and his family. But sadly he didn't, he engaged, knowing full well that Lester is a manipulator. That any kind of agreement would be bad. That's on Dan. Sarah's fault is that she no longer has enough respect for her husband to listen to his advice, or to hear/see what she's doing is not something Dan can control on his own, that he's allowed himself to become a victim of his vices.
It also pokes holes in your theory that, he's swallowing his anger (i.e., putting up with her behavior) out of love and respect. He's not, he leans into it because it feeds his lust and Dan tells you that very thing:
Dan hated the way Lester was talking to him, but the mention of him engaging in ‘carnal pleasures’ with Sarah had him half hard under the table.
I said in the world I live in... spouses are equals and that they do not need their spouses "permission" to have agency over their own body and decisions, that they are not slaves nor property to be owned. Furthermore you missed the bigger point I was making, I made the distinction that it applies to all; both husband and wife should have agency, not one or the other.
If you want to know what my viewpoint is on marriage or other IRL topics, how about next time you just ask. I'm an open book and would be happy to share, no need to make up something and falsely attribute it to me.
I always appreciate healthy debate. Hope you have a good day/evening PC.
That's one opinion to have, but not necessarily shared by all.
Please do share written examples where Dan has had an adult conversation with Sarah about how he doesn't like what's happening and he wants it to STOP (note my emphasis on STOP). I'm open to being incorrect and that I may have missed a detail here or there, it is a long series after all. Look forward to reading your examples.
Good example but not completely accurate. There were no guests, but I agree she answered the phone anyways and that was disrespectful:
“Who is it?” Dan asked.
Sarah paused before answering, “Lester. He wants to FaceTime with me.”
“Tell him to go away,” Dan grumbled and went back to looking at the papers in front of him.
However did he say "Sarah I don't like this, please don't answer it" or "Sarah before we have any more interaction with Lester I want us to have an honest discussion." No he held up his hands, said WTF in his head (hoping she would know what that meant) basically showing his frustration and then followed it up with:
“Lester,” Dan said, holding down his anger, “Sarah and I are busy. I don’t have the patience to play one of your games right now, okay? Can you just get on with what you want to say so we can go back to it?”
and later with this:
Dan looked back at Lester’s ugly, fat, smug face taking up the entire phone screen, “What kind of agreement?”
If he had followed up the first part of that section and hung up the call, I would agree with you, he was a man doing what he had to do to protect his marriage and his family. But sadly he didn't, he engaged, knowing full well that Lester is a manipulator. That any kind of agreement would be bad. That's on Dan. Sarah's fault is that she no longer has enough respect for her husband to listen to his advice, or to hear/see what she's doing is not something Dan can control on his own, that he's allowed himself to become a victim of his vices.
It also pokes holes in your theory that, he's swallowing his anger (i.e., putting up with her behavior) out of love and respect. He's not, he leans into it because it feeds his lust and Dan tells you that very thing:
Dan hated the way Lester was talking to him, but the mention of him engaging in ‘carnal pleasures’ with Sarah had him half hard under the table.
This would require a whole post by itself. All I can say is that "IF" (I say IF bc I don't know you and I don't know if you truly believe what you've said) you believe that compromise isn't an essential part of marriage and by proxy the one you love the most isn't worth sacrificing something for them; then that makes me sad.
Not so fast my internet friend. You don't have the right to say I said something I didn't. Those are your words not mine.
I said in the world I live in... spouses are equals and that they do not need their spouses "permission" to have agency over their own body and decisions, that they are not slaves nor property to be owned. Furthermore you missed the bigger point I was making, I made the distinction that it applies to all; both husband and wife should have agency, not one or the other.
If you want to know what my viewpoint is on marriage or other IRL topics, how about next time you just ask. I'm an open book and would be happy to share, no need to make up something and falsely attribute it to me.
I always appreciate healthy debate. Hope you have a good day/evening PC.
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