I understand your point of view.
So, why does so many people have this fetish about unwanted pregnancy erotic stories with dirty slobs? What's so erotic about that?
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So, why does so many people have this fetish about unwanted pregnancy erotic stories with dirty slobs? What's so erotic about that?
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It's hard to see men with attitude these days. If I let my wife be intimate with others, I'll cancel her like a man. It's one thing to be with friends and pick up a hooker and share her. It's another thing to have a wife who's the mother of your children. I'm also surprised by Lester's arrogance, saying with certainty that if Sarah gets pregnant, he'll be a boy, and a girl might come (and because he's ugly, the child might take after his father). What if the sentinel's wife sleeps with Dan and it's a girl, and Sarah and Lester are girls? His arrogance could be his downfall. Some friends of mine have told me that Sarah has already traded Dan for Lester, but Dan hasn't realized it yet (I compare it to Celebrimbor when he lost his city), and Dan lost his marriage without realizing it was enchanted. Money corrupts women. Here in Brazil, we see many mothers hiding abuse by partners who aren't the children's fathers. I hope this part is about Sarah losing Dan and becoming more corrupt, lots of fights, Sarah spending money on Lester and the kids not liking him and he already doesn't like them that much. Lester messing with the kids' father in front of Sarah and Sarah saying it's just a joke. Kids aren't barriers, Lester already fucked Sarah with them at home.
Thank you. Glad someone finally stepped up and said it. Ethical non-monogamy and cheating are not the same thing. At all.
Its the ultimate betrayal of the marriage. The womb is absolutely the one thing that, throughout history has been promised in matrimony. In fact back in the days before full out civilization, when everything was just little communal groupings, the entire purpose of marriage was to have babies to make your grouping stronger -- not to mention the amalgamation of the two groups the marriage came from, as they would go from two small groups to one larger group. This is also the reason for incest fetish - incest would not make the groupings bigger and therefore not as safe and quite detrimental to future society. Blue bloods proved that incest isn't harmful in its own right, they had babies that were fine, but that taboo was firmly in place through centuries of making ourselves safe, same with the womb. If someone allowed another to fill the womb that would be a detrimental strike toward the safety of the grouping that could not be undone at that time. Many groups would consider it such a blow to the group's security that death was the only answer.
All of these deep taboos for the purpose of building strength in a world built by tribal mores became entrenched in our DNA, so much so that oftentimes the law becomes involved, either governmental of civil. It is due to these deep, deep built-in normalities that when we think of something that runs foul of them that either anger or fetish is created and where as we may not want to regularly see real life taboos broken, reading about it or seeing it on film is how we deal with them and the fetish is born.
Not meaning to talk down to anyone, just saw the question and my Masters is seriously in History, so a chance to actually use it.
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(Long time TA reader, first time poster)
I (and my SO) have been reading TA together for some time now, and have also become dissatisfied with the story.
I don't personalize the story the way some people do - it's a fantasy story after all - so I don't come at this from a place of personal investment. I don't particularly care about the characters per se, but I do love a hot well-written sex story, and those aren't all that easy to find.
To me, the objection in later chapters compared to earlier chapters, is that the earlier chapters seemed to focus on Sarah's journey of exploration, pushing personal boundaries, the uncertainty around that, her vulnerability as she proceeds, how her and her husband shared that, the raw emotion and sexuality around that, etc. Combined with the author's ability to write a far above average sex scene, and that was a story to enjoy.
Now in the later chapters, we seem to be focused on Sarah in a repeating infinite loop of very similar sexual acts, and at the same time becoming a sadistic pig. She's simply becoming an unpleasant main character, and we're somehow to reasonably believe that this is naturally buried beneath some sort of sex addiction/nymphomania thing that she can't control even one tiny iota, every single time an obnoxious 300 pound fat hairy asshole shakes his cock at her - at the expense of her career, her marriage, her children, her home, etc.
Herein lies where the story loses me. Well, two things. One, the sheer unbelievability of the whole scenario, and many subplots within the story. Again, I get it - it's a fictional story. I liked Game of Thrones (first several years anyway), and I never truly believed a fire breathing dragon was going to actually show up in my neighborhood someday. But there are just so many instances of Sarah especially (but Dan also) just behaving in a manner that is simply silly and not at all even a little bit plausible. I won't list them all, but they've been discussed in detail. There are many examples. Sarah and her old boss. Sarah and the janitor at her workplace. Sarah in the scummy theater. The story loses some of its impact when the plausibility factor is near zero.
The second thing, is that the story has simply become numbingly repetitive. Lester waddles in, waves his cock for a half a minute, Sarah loses all reason and has 14 orgasms. Wash, rinse, repeat. Even her verbiage during the sex scenes has become repetitive. Another example, Dan being "frozen" the first couple or three times he sees Sarah getting fucked....sure, that's a solid story theme. But when Dan is frozen for the 3,592,145th time in a row....it gets hard to swallow after awhile.
A lot of people have talked about when the story jumped the shark, but to me, it was when Sarah left work and went to Lester's hotel....and then proceeded to get fucked in a pile of Cheetos. The two of us literally laughed out loud when reading that silliness, and in fact, that was the last my SO read of the story. She gave up at that point, so now I follow TA solo.
There were a couple of points earlier in the story, where the author touched on how Sarah 'always got her way' when arguing with Dan, or that perhaps she didn't fight fairly or with honesty (the scene with her parents after the theater thing). That's an angle that I wish was explored more in the story. It could have explained Dan's actions more than the "Dan is a sad defeated pussy" that we're kind of left with at this point.
Thank you for the opportunity to express my opinion.
I (and my SO) have been reading TA together for some time now, and have also become dissatisfied with the story.
I don't personalize the story the way some people do - it's a fantasy story after all - so I don't come at this from a place of personal investment. I don't particularly care about the characters per se, but I do love a hot well-written sex story, and those aren't all that easy to find.
To me, the objection in later chapters compared to earlier chapters, is that the earlier chapters seemed to focus on Sarah's journey of exploration, pushing personal boundaries, the uncertainty around that, her vulnerability as she proceeds, how her and her husband shared that, the raw emotion and sexuality around that, etc. Combined with the author's ability to write a far above average sex scene, and that was a story to enjoy.
Now in the later chapters, we seem to be focused on Sarah in a repeating infinite loop of very similar sexual acts, and at the same time becoming a sadistic pig. She's simply becoming an unpleasant main character, and we're somehow to reasonably believe that this is naturally buried beneath some sort of sex addiction/nymphomania thing that she can't control even one tiny iota, every single time an obnoxious 300 pound fat hairy asshole shakes his cock at her - at the expense of her career, her marriage, her children, her home, etc.
Herein lies where the story loses me. Well, two things. One, the sheer unbelievability of the whole scenario, and many subplots within the story. Again, I get it - it's a fictional story. I liked Game of Thrones (first several years anyway), and I never truly believed a fire breathing dragon was going to actually show up in my neighborhood someday. But there are just so many instances of Sarah especially (but Dan also) just behaving in a manner that is simply silly and not at all even a little bit plausible. I won't list them all, but they've been discussed in detail. There are many examples. Sarah and her old boss. Sarah and the janitor at her workplace. Sarah in the scummy theater. The story loses some of its impact when the plausibility factor is near zero.
The second thing, is that the story has simply become numbingly repetitive. Lester waddles in, waves his cock for a half a minute, Sarah loses all reason and has 14 orgasms. Wash, rinse, repeat. Even her verbiage during the sex scenes has become repetitive. Another example, Dan being "frozen" the first couple or three times he sees Sarah getting fucked....sure, that's a solid story theme. But when Dan is frozen for the 3,592,145th time in a row....it gets hard to swallow after awhile.
A lot of people have talked about when the story jumped the shark, but to me, it was when Sarah left work and went to Lester's hotel....and then proceeded to get fucked in a pile of Cheetos. The two of us literally laughed out loud when reading that silliness, and in fact, that was the last my SO read of the story. She gave up at that point, so now I follow TA solo.
There were a couple of points earlier in the story, where the author touched on how Sarah 'always got her way' when arguing with Dan, or that perhaps she didn't fight fairly or with honesty (the scene with her parents after the theater thing). That's an angle that I wish was explored more in the story. It could have explained Dan's actions more than the "Dan is a sad defeated pussy" that we're kind of left with at this point.
Thank you for the opportunity to express my opinion.
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AMEN, MAN(Long time TA reader, first time poster)
I (and my SO) have been reading TA together for some time now, and have also become dissatisfied with the story.
I don't personalize the story the way some people do - it's a fantasy story after all - so I don't come at this from a place of personal investment. I don't particularly care about the characters per se, but I do love a hot well-written sex story, and those aren't all that easy to find.
To me, the objection in later chapters compared to earlier chapters, is that the earlier chapters seemed to focus on Sarah's journey of exploration, pushing personal boundaries, the uncertainty around that, her vulnerability as she proceeds, how her and her husband shared that, the raw emotion and sexuality around that, etc. Combined with the author's ability to write a far above average sex scene, and that was a story to enjoy.
Now in the later chapters, we seem to be focused on Sarah in a repeating infinite loop of very similar sexual acts, and at the same time becoming a sadistic pig. She's simply becoming an unpleasant main character, and we're somehow to reasonably believe that this is naturally buried beneath some sort of sex addiction/nymphomania thing that she can't control even one tiny iota, every single time an obnoxious 300 pound fat hairy asshole shakes his cock at her - at the expense of her career, her marriage, her children, her home, etc.
Herein lies where the story loses me. Well, two things. One, the sheer unbelievability of the whole scenario, and many subplots within the story. Again, I get it - it's a fictional story. I liked Game of Thrones (first several years anyway), and I never truly believed a fire breathing dragon was going to actually show up in my neighborhood someday. But there are just so many instances of Sarah especially (but Dan also) just behaving in a manor that is simply silly and not at all even a little bit plausible. I won't list them all, but they've been discussed in detail. There are many examples. Sarah and her old boss. Sarah and the janitor at her workplace. Sarah in the scummy theater. The story loses some of its impact when the plausibility factor is near zero.
The second thing, is that the story has simply become numbingly repetitive. Lester waddles in, waves his cock for a half a minute, Sarah loses all reason and has 14 orgasms. Wash, rinse, repeat. Even her verbiage during the sex scenes has become repetitive. Another example, Dan being "frozen" the first couple or three times he sees Sarah getting fucked....sure, that's a solid story theme. But when Dan is frozen for the 3,592,145th time in a row....it gets hard to swallow after awhile.
A lot of people have talked about when the story jumped the shark, but to me, it was when Sarah left work and went to Lester's hotel....and then proceeded to get fucked in a pile of Cheetos. The two of us literally laughed out loud when reading that silliness, and in fact, that was the last my SO read of the story. She gave up at that point, so now I follow TA solo.
There were a couple of points earlier in the story, where the author touched on how Sarah 'got her way' when arguing with Dan, or that perhaps she didn't fight fairly or with honesty (the scene with her parents after the theater thing). That's an angle that I wish was explored more in the story. It could have explained Dan's actions more than the "Dan is a sad defeated pussy" that we're kind of left with at this point.
Thank you for the opportunity to express my opinion.
I couldn't agree more.
There is always a difference between a simple "wank"-story and an interesting "wank"-story.
And sadly TA stopped being interesting about 8 or 9 chapters ago
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I am thinking the story needs a real break.
Too much has happened. a cooldown chapter where Sarah and Lester with Dan goes on to road trip as an actual throuple
No sex. Just these 3 characters interacting freely with each other with Sarah meditating between her husband and her true love Lester ( At this point it's safe to say she truly loves Lester) .
Instead of sex they can talk about how their relationship evolved with Lester pointing out how Sarah has changed so much since their first meet. And Dan silently noticing too
Some real change is needed bcuz it is getting boring
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What's Left Unsaid - Chapter 11
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I was sitting outside my house for the second time in just a few hours. Afraid to go in. Not because of what I might walk in on this time… nothing I’m sure, since Ash’s car was gone. But Daisy’s car was still missing. Had she left with him? Was I coming home to an empty house? My wife finally having left me for someone who could satisfy her?
I pulled out my phone, thinking to track Daisy’s location, and remembered she’d texted me.
Daisy: My car wouldn’t start. Ash gave me a ride home. I called a tow truck. It’ll take the car to the shop.
Huh. It was a text that, up till two months ago, would have seemed normal. Now I was looking for hidden meaning.
Novidade
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I was sitting outside my house for the second time in just a few hours. Afraid to go in. Not because of what I might walk in on this time… nothing I’m sure, since Ash’s car was gone. But Daisy’s car was still missing. Had she left with him? Was I coming home to an empty house? My wife finally having left me for someone who could satisfy her?
I pulled out my phone, thinking to track Daisy’s location, and remembered she’d texted me.
Daisy: My car wouldn’t start. Ash gave me a ride home. I called a tow truck. It’ll take the car to the shop.
Huh. It was a text that, up till two months ago, would have seemed normal. Now I was looking for hidden meaning.
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Unfortunately, there's no way for the story to stop now. You can give Lester and Sarah a break and develop other parts of the story. You can close the hospital arc (Lester getting revenge on everyone for Sarah), the good thing is that you don't need to keep focusing on sex. There's also Dan's arc with the possibilities: 1. We have Trisha being able to evolve in her attacks on Dan, everything they see happening is too much, for Dan to endure alone, there are consequences for everything Sarah and Lester put him through, 2. Dan's revenge is to look for the former tenant. We have a lot of things for fights between Dan and Sarah. When Dan goes to play video games with the girls and sees that his progress has been erased (Dan didn't evolve much in the game, because it was something he did with his daughters), Sarah complains and says he's a whiny little boy because of his game, with Lester playing with the children only talking badly about Dan, the children not liking it. While Dan travels and advances in his work, Lester fucks Sarah at night and when the kids are away, and when they are home, Lester makes small, despising remarks about the children. I think the story ends in chapter 50. Chapter 35 sees the argument and Dan considering divorce for the first time (his daughters weren't respected, and Sarah doesn't care about them). Any father would be worried about leaving his daughters around their mother, who is behaving like a slut, directly influencing their character development. Sarah has already forgotten her daughters to fuck Lester, she has fucked Lester with the kids at home, and she had sex in the kids' bed (these are warning signs any father would be alert to). In chapter 20... The receptionist led Dan to a corner office, where Jesse was sitting behind a wide desk, staring intently at something on his laptop screen. His eyes flashed at Dan, and a mischievous smile quickly spread across his face.
"Thank you, Trisha," he said, waving his wrist to dismiss the receptionist. "Dan, how are you? You look better than the last time I saw you."
Now would be the time for Trisha to ask Dan what happened, making him look so miserable, with a sad and worried look.
"Thank you, Trisha," he said, waving his wrist to dismiss the receptionist. "Dan, how are you? You look better than the last time I saw you."
Now would be the time for Trisha to ask Dan what happened, making him look so miserable, with a sad and worried look.
As a woman in an open marriage I must say the story has gone waaaay off the rails.
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I agree with you that at times she has been manipulative or had thoughts of dissuading Dan to make sure that he didn't stop her.
But she was also the responsible one in chapter 11:
Sarah looked up at him with gorgeous emerald eyes, “I’m afraid that if I start texting back, it’ll send him some kind of signal. It’s one thing to have things happen in the apartment, but this is starting to creep into other areas of our lives. And I didn’t want to add to your stress, so I thought that if I just ignored them, he would eventually stop on his own. That’s probably a naive attitude given what happened last time in Chicago but that’s what I was hoping for.”
Memories of the last night in Chicago crept into his mind, watching his wife and Lester together from the other side of the peephole, watching Lester experience his wife. Sarah’s eyes losing focus as she screamed in ecstasy.
“Maybe you should send him a picture back….” Dan said playfully.
Sarah leaned up on one elbow and looked at her husband, “Do you really think that’s a good idea? I feel like it would only make Lester more bold. Besides, we need to figure out what we’re doing here. When I drive back up with you to Chicago tomorrow, Lester will probably be expecting another of his dates. I don’t want him to think it’s just open season, and he can get away with whatever he wants.”
And for Chap 32: she wasn't shutting him down or using her feminine charms to deflect, she was trying to contain a messy situation. Asking Dan to not make it worse by confronting Lester in front of their daughters.
“My parents dropped them off before I could get Lester out. I had to hide him,” Sarah said, pulling her husband into the kitchen.
“And did you have to fuck him? He could have left anytime. We agreed not to do –”
Sarah held up a hand to silence him, and tears began to stream down her face, “I know! Okay, I know! It’s just….it’s just that things have so fucked up. I didn’t know what to do. I just, I don’t know, Dan, I just fucked up.”
Sarah held up a shaking finger to her lips. Thankfully, the sounds from the TV in the living room continued. Dan peeked his head out and saw both girls sitting on the couch watching the screen. Hopefully, they hadn’t heard his outburst. He went back to Sarah, and he motioned for her to join him in the kitchen, further away from their daughters.
What should have happened was for Dan to say his part to Sarah and for Sarah to say her part to Dan:
He didn’t know what to think. His emotions were raw, and everything felt heightened and in sharp focus. He knew, objectively, that Lester was bad for them. He pushed their boundaries and didn’t really give a shit at all about Dan or their marriage. He just wanted to fuck Sarah and rub it in his face. But that was exactly what turned Dan on so much about everything. Lester just pushed the right buttons that drove both he and Sarah crazy. Letting Lester take control of things in the bedroom was intoxicating. The lack of control, giving up the reins like that, drove Dan wild. Seeing Sarah give up her inhibitions fueled his lust.
But lately, things had gotten even crazier. His lack of control had slipped even further. Sarah going behind his back to do things was, objectively, hot as fuck, but it was still fucking dangerous. She had just gotten fired for it, for God’s sake. She was out of control too, and making really bad decisions. She’d fucked a janitor at work and had gotten fired for it. Could he trust her decision-making at all anymore?
“It’s just,” Sarah breathed, “Things are already pretty fucked up. I feel like I don’t even know which way is up anymore. Right now, I probably shouldn’t be making any big decisions. And that idea, god, it would be so bad. So fucking bad. I’d be so bad. I know we’d enjoy it. A lot, I’m sure. But I don’t want to hurt anyone. I already hurt you with what I did with Otis and Dan’s pissed off down there. I don’t know how he’d react. I don’t want to hurt my girls, Lester. I just…we just need to figure this out differently.”
“Anyways,” Sarah continued, “With Dan and the girls here, I don’t want to complicate things today. Dan and I have some things to figure out. And I don’t want to expose the girls to all of this. Is it okay if you head out soon? Back to your hotel?”
If the two of them would pull their heads out of their lust, and just had an adult conversation with each other, then things would be better, they'd realize what's going on and work together to fix things. But that's not what this story is about, it's not the tale that DS is writing.
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I don't want to take away from your personal results, I'm glad they work for you. Most of the studies I've looked at it's a pretty even split between women preferring stability vs looks. The variance is usually what type of relationship they are looking for. This ofc is a gross oversimplification, as there are a lot of factors at play, but typically if a woman is having a fling she favors physical attractiveness, but long term relationships she values financial security/stability.
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I wouldn't use the word necessary as that's an absolutism. I would say that because you love and respect someone you are more willing to compromise and make sacrifices, because you know those traits will help make the marriage flow more smoothly and it would increase that spouses happiness. In the States we have a saying: Happy Wife. Happy Life, but really it applies to both spouses.
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Welcome to the mayhem. I'm curious why did you pull your other post? I thought it was a well articulated viewpoint.
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If you'd care to share, I'd love to hear your opinion of where it went off the rails. Like where did you stop and say, nope, that crossed a line you shouldn't in an open marriage lifestyle?
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Yeah I saw that it reappeared (for me I guess) right after I asked the questionThank you, and thank you.
It's still there. #3718.
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I'm curious about two of your points, bc I don't understand them:
Why is it immoral (not conforming with moral law) to discuss the moral aspect in a story? I feel like I'm not grasping your intended viewpoint on this one.
And do you mean that it's no longer acceptable for you, or in general? I mean it's DS's story, it's certainly acceptable for him to write the story he wants to tell. Whether we want to read it or not is a different kettle of fish.
I know this message wasn't directed at me, but hope it's OK if I respond anyway.
Some quick background: In full transparency, I am in an open ENM relationship (7 happy years and counting), though most of our non-monogamy comes in the form of group activity together, rather than one of us using a 'hall pass' to go out single and enjoy. We both have full freedom to do that (and have), but we don't often do so, as we really enjoy the shared experience.
As for the story, the couple went off the rails almost right off the bat. I'm doing this on a work break, so don't have time to pin down the exact chapter(s), but in short: They didn't have clear enough and/or mutually understood boundaries set, Sarah repeatedly broke the boundaries they did set, they didn't respect each other's hesitancy/nervousness/equivocation after upticks in early playtime, and (biggie here) they tolerated disrespect from someone outside of their relationship. And that was all relatively early on. Now? They're not even remotely on the same page. A fully separate relationship has been created, and even nutured.
At a basic level though, where they failed is that when life got difficult, they didn't stop their play evolution and wrap their arms around each other (figuratively), and re-commit themselves to their marriage and their family. When Dan had to move to another city, when Dan's job got tough, when Sarah lost her job, the finances, etc. One could make the case that the third paragraph of the entire story was about their life becoming difficult, and they never should have embarked upon this adventure in the first place, for reasons that had nothing to do with sex. First sentence of the third paragraph: "Like most American families, the economic downturn hit the Williams hard."
Back to the personal for a moment: This ENM ride has been one of the greatest adventures of our lives. But my SO and I have certainly taken breaks when life got difficult, and we also try and keep it simple. We do have naked preferences for sure, but as for the big stuff, we have but a few simple guidelines about all of this with each other, and with those with whom we engage:
For us:
- Full transparency with each other at all times.
- If either partner is uncomfortable, play stops immediately. Either partner has full veto power at any time.
For others:
- Show up when and where you said you would.
- Be a decent human being for the entirely of our encounter. No disrespect will be tolerated.
We know people who have far, far more rules than those. But even if Sarah and Dan had those same simple rules in place, they would have broken all of them multiple times.
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