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[Verisimilinude]

I'm not remotely interested in storytelling as a method for creating an archetypal hero character that readers can put themselves in, so that they can fly around in their awesomepants for a while. Comic books do that kind of thing well. So do movies and, I imagine, video games. Stories exist to explore characters, or ideas, or emotional journeys. The purpose of these journeys isn't to give you the ending you would want for yourself, but to examine on a very human level what personal experience is like in any number of situations, to any number of people.

Umh??? Did you mean to respond to someone else's post?

 

[Verisimilinude]

Just the basic starting scenario is ridiculous. Lester, a completely misanthrope, rents out a room but then turns out to have a lot of money. Dan is an skilled executive married to an upper level healthcare administrator and decides he needs to rent a room instead of getting one of those furnished apartments. In a story set when the economy is doing very well, especially for people in healthcare administration. They always prioritize sex over their children and rarely think of them. Lester single handed takes down the hospital and then, with no paper qualifications, is hired to protect them from hackers because he says he can do it. Multiple plot points hinge on Dan having no protection on his phone. He's a parent—he has a password set! Not to mention that Sarah can't ever say no to the sight of Lester's dick, no matter how angry she is with him. Over and over again, the story is goofy.

With respect, have you actually read the story?

1) Lester isn't a misanthrope. An introverted narcissistic asshole, absolutely. If he hated humankind he wouldn't want to have contact with women much less have sex with them.
2) Lots of people with antisocial traits have money
3) Dan isn't an executive, the story depicts him as a senior mid-level manager. Sarah is closer to an executive level position but without the title or pay.
4) (I'm going to lump a few of your other points into one here) He was laid off, and spent months in his home town trying to find work, unsuccessfully. The economy wasn't doing well, hence why he got laid off. He felt being located in Chicago would provide better opportunities. Not having the funds to splurge on a furnished apartment, he did what a lot of people IRL do, they find a roommate to cut down on the costs.
5) Agreed, on three occasions I can remember they prioritized sex over thinking about their children. I would argue this is an artistic choice to limit crossing boundaries most reader's of erotica don't want crossed and leave it at that.
6) Yes Lester used his networking skills, (documented as foundation in the early chapters) to manipulate a hospital employee into giving him access to the hospital network. He didn't need paper qualifications, he was recommended by a respected hospital admin (Sarah) and demo'ed his ability by fixing one of their systems prior to being awarded the contract.
7) Incorrect there was only one plot point that hinged on Dan not having a password on his phone (though I do agree with you in principle that most tech savvy people would have at a minimum a password pin on their phone).
8) This one is more subjective but there is such a thing as sexual addiction and when paired with psychological conditioning it is plausible for Sarah to have a conditioned response to seeing Lester's dick.

I respect and support your desire to say the story is goofy, but to say it isn't grounded in realism, that's a disingenuous statement.

 

[Verisimilinude]

how the author completely ignored that for the marriage to last Dan would have to pick the pieces of an emotionally broken Sarah.

But isn't this making an assumption that DS wants the marriage to last? Is it possible that he wanted to explore what happens to a marriage that has been ravaged by reckless spouses, and the aftermath of that destruction? Personally I've always viewed this story as a cautionary tale of everything that can go wrong in a marriage when you decide to blindly enter into a "sharing lifestyle." Until the final words are written, none of us can know for sure, what his intention is/was. But I feel confident in saying, based on how the story has progressed, that he ever intended this to be a trad loving sharing story.

Having said that, I do appreciate your pov on what a positive sharing lifestyle could/should be. I think its vital that opposing views are presented, for me at least, that's how I learn and grow.

 

[Davidsays1]

With respect, have you actually read the story?

1) Lester isn't a misanthrope. An introverted narcissistic asshole, absolutely. If he hated humankind he wouldn't want to have contact with women much less have sex with them.
2) Lots of people with antisocial traits have money
3) Dan isn't an executive, the story depicts him as a senior mid-level manager. Sarah is closer to an executive level position but without the title or pay.
4) (I'm going to lump a few of your other points into one here) He was laid off, and spent months in his home town trying to find work, unsuccessfully. The economy wasn't doing well, hence why he got laid off. He felt being located in Chicago would provide better opportunities. Not having the funds to splurge on a furnished apartment, he did what a lot of people IRL do, they find a roommate to cut down on the costs.
5) Agreed, on three occasions I can remember they prioritized sex over thinking about their children. I would argue this is an artistic choice to limit crossing boundaries most reader's of erotica don't want crossed and leave it at that.
6) Yes Lester used his networking skills, (documented as foundation in the early chapters) to manipulate a hospital employee into giving him access to the hospital network. He didn't need paper qualifications, he was recommended by a respected hospital admin (Sarah) and demo'ed his ability by fixing one of their systems prior to being awarded the contract.
7) Incorrect there was only one plot point that hinged on Dan not having a password on his phone (though I do agree with you in principle that most tech savvy people would have at a minimum a password pin on their phone).
8) This one is more subjective but there is such a thing as sexual addiction and when paired with psychological conditioning it is plausible for Sarah to have a conditioned response to seeing Lester's dick.

I respect and support your desire to say the story is goofy, but to say it isn't grounded in realism, that's a disingenuous statement.

I think Dan actually found a job in Chicago which is how we ended up where we are now, but Lester of course cost him the job or the job fell through I can't recall without re-reading. I also like how we ended up here when originally I think Dan and Sarah were going to save money, and sell the house so Sarah and the kids could move to Chicago to be with Dan.

 

[ABinWP]

A couple of distinctions from my POV:
they didn't respect each other's hesitancy/nervousness/equivocation after upticks in early playtime
My argument (especially in the beginning) is it wasn't a lack of respect and more a lack of understanding coupled with lack of communication. The loss of respect came later with reinforced manipulation and coercion. Dan often monologues about how he doesn't understand why he feels the way he does, and Sarah mistakenly sees this as acceptance and license to push boundaries. Yet as you've eloquently stated, they didn't take time to discuss and debrief their individual experiences.

I see your point and agree, particularly about the lack of understanding (in my experience, this is relatively common with couples getting into this scene). Though it seemed to me that both characters at times just pushed through their spouse's hesitation and kept going - like almost brushing the other one aside maybe? Whether or not these were intentional, it does represent places where they went off the rails, IMO.

they tolerated disrespect from someone outside of their relationship
You would agree that everyone is different, yes?

Oh, very much so, yes. And I also believe that everyone is entitled to live out whatever kink they wish, as long as it's done with and alongside other consenting adults.

And despite some core member's thoughts on humiliation, etc., there are people in the world who do derive sexual gratification from experiencing this kink. It's not my cup of tea, but I can objectively support someone who does enjoy it (as long as it's consensual).

Appreciate the insight from someone who has "lived" the lifestyle.

Here's where I believe there is some nuance. I personally don't get off on the cuckold/humiliation thing, but I get that some people do (I personally know a couple that does this - we don't play with them). But I would put forth for your consideration, that there is a difference between cuck-type sexual humiliation in the moment, and outright disrespect.

Lester telling Dan that he can fuck Sarah better than Dan can, telling Dan his johnson is much larger, telling Dan she loves his cock so much more - all while he's plowing Sarah...well, OK. Fine. Not my kink personally, but I understand the kink exists, and that some people dig that. You do you, all good with me. That doesn't necessarily describe where it went off the rails, or where disrespect was played out.

However, locking Dan out of the bedroom, giving Dan the wrong room key/number at the hotel, inviting a 3rd into the situation (in that same hotel room) to fuck Sarah without either of them knowing - this is blatant disrespect. In fact, I believe these situations not only represent disrespect, I believe they are dangerous.

 

[DarkStutzel]

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[powerconti]

I say again...

Daughter's bed, fuckers dead. Now way, no how.

Now, at the latest, after the defilement and contamination of the children's room by the ‘cock-driven, wanton slut’ Sarah and the ‘perverted dirty pig’ Lester, Dan should show some reaction.
This should consist of summoning the son of a bitch Lester to his home, properly castrating him, polishing his face so that he no longer knows whether he is male or female, kicking him in the arse and throwing him out of the house.
(Of course, this will only be the case if the author, Mister DS, does not continue to restrict him in his actions and function in order to erase his individuality and break his will.)
And if his ‘slut of a wife’, Sarah, makes any move to protect that filthy bastard Lester, he should kick her out too, because she has long deserved to be held accountable.

Where the CHILDEREN are concerned, all fun, reason and patience cease, because their protection and well-being come first.
Time for ‘Death Wish’ à la Charles Bronson!

-- PC

 

[john_doe6711]

I can't get the reason why they had to do in the children's room...being cock drunk or not she should have drawn the line at that...clearly she doesn't respect dan or her kids...and what's going on with the former tenant she has completely disappeared from the story...dan was trying and think successfully tracked her down..now nothing about that...I read somewhere someone saying we may have 50 chapters before seeing this story wrapped up...then after waiting for so long only to have an ass ending with questions unanswered or people paying for a spin off or an epilogue...I like this story alot and want to see how it ends but there are too many variables missing right now ...(I know it's a story but when is dan going to finally say enough is enough)..

 

[Davidsays1]

I don't think the former tenant leads anywhere, if anything it will lead to her falling back under lesters thumb, she is married if that's still a thing, and all she can do is tell Dan what he already knows Lester video tapes things etc. if im right she only fully slept with Lester the 1 time and that was it.

 

[King_Gonta]

I don't want to take away from your personal results, I'm glad they work for you. Most of the studies I've looked at it's a pretty even split between women preferring stability vs looks. The variance is usually what type of relationship they are looking for. This ofc is a gross oversimplification, as there are a lot of factors at play, but typically if a woman is having a fling she favors physical attractiveness, but long term relationships she values financial security/stability.

You are absolutely right

Absolutely

 

[King_Gonta]

I can't get the reason why they had to do in the children's room...being cock drunk or not she should have drawn the line at that...clearly she doesn't respect dan or her kids...and what's going on with the former tenant she has completely disappeared from the story...dan was trying and think successfully tracked her down..now nothing about that...I read somewhere someone saying we may have 50 chapters before seeing this story wrapped up...then after waiting for so long only to have an ass ending with questions unanswered or people paying for a spin off or an epilogue...I like this story alot and want to see how it ends but there are too many variables missing right now ...(I know it's a story but when is dan going to finally say enough is enough)..

It's a room . She doing it inside their home which they live was the start of it

It should have never happened in first place

 

[DarkStutzel]

And a suggestion of mine that in more than 16 chapters to finish the series, Don didn't say anything officially. Something very important to remember is the total financial dependence the couple has on Lester. Sarah was the one paying the household bills (that's why she lost her job was the end), even if they sold the house they wouldn't be able to get a smaller one (to maintain a good and expensive standard of living). Dan already has a police record, he has used violence against other people (him going to prison won't help anything).

 

[DarkStutzel]

Here's a summary of some couples from some stories I read, with different situations:

Lauren and Corey (married for many years): When Ryder crossed the line, she broke up with Ryder right away. And she got Corey back. Sarah: When Lester mistreats Dan and says he's jealous, Sarah is getting Dan back. Lester sends Sarah upstairs, and Dan then goes to the basement. Sarah doesn't get her husband back (instead, she violates her daughters' bed).

Daisy with Ash: Conner is in trouble after an accident. When Ash starts attacking her husband, he defends her. Conner is sexually broken and doesn't have cuckold kinks.

Julia and Tom: They don't have children. Tom awakened his wife's sexuality, but he was cut off and betrayed and knows he'll never be able to satisfy her. Her wife likes sex and Devon. Julie wanted Devon. Not the man himself, but the sex. She loved me, but she didn't want to give up this new side of herself. New adventures and feelings. # Just like Dan and Sarah, the consequences and the end of their marriage.

Ashley and Jacob are a young couple, only a few years into their marriage. But Jacob isn't a coward; he confronted Carlos. Life went on; Dan couldn't face Lester, who depended on him financially.

Louise and Johnny: Johnny sent Louise to Tony's hands, and he had only one rule: to know and use a condom. Just like Sarah, she lost her career, fell into the clutches of a teenager, and cut Johnny off from sex altogether.
Emily was waiting for Johnny, and Trisha is waiting for Dan. Sarah leaving Dan aside will take Dan away from Sarah. Tony makes Louise lose her sense of everything, just as Lester does with Sarah.

Nolan and Grace have a conversation, and Nolan regrets it. "...So, how do you feel? Knowing Nate slept with your girl?" she added, wanting more of that dirty talk to encourage him.

Nolan swallowed and cleared his throat, shifting in his chair as he tried to find the words.

"It's... weird," he admitted. "I mean, I knew that was a possibility when we started all this, but it's different hearing about it, knowing it happened and there's no going back. That another man knows how you... feel."

Grace smiled and squeezed his hand again. "I know," she said. "And I'm sorry if it hurts. But I also find it kind of arousing knowing that someone else has been inside me. That another man has claimed me, and that you have to deal with that."

Nolan took a deep breath. That had hurt him. But before Grace could continue, Nolan spoke. "I can't deny that it hurts to hear that, that you could consciously choose to hurt my feelings for your own pleasure," he said. "But you're right. I find it kind of arousing. Not just kind of arousing. Really arousing, actually. Knowing that you're being shared, that you're not just mine, even though you still are."

Grace nodded, her heart swelling at the revelation.

"That's why I think we need to continue this journey together," Grace said. "We're both learning new things about ourselves and our relationship. But that comes with maturity. You need to deal with the fact that I'm going to explore with Nate, and you need to accept that. And I need to accept the fact that you're dealing with your own emotions about this. But we can do this together."

 

[Verisimilinude]

I see your point and agree, particularly about the lack of understanding (in my experience, this is relatively common with couples getting into this scene). Though it seemed to me that both characters at times just pushed through their spouse's hesitation and kept going - like almost brushing the other one aside maybe? Whether or not these were intentional, it does represent places where they went off the rails, IMO.

Yeah it's the lack of communication that is the core problem. I went back to chap 1&2 to see if there had been any discussion of a sharing fantasy or at least knowledge of the lifestyle and it's interesting how they were at least trying to communicate back then. As in this example:
Pausing to see how far he could push his wife, Dan added "Or maybe it was just knowing you were being listened to that turned you on so much." He continued to work his kisses up her neck, which he knew drove her crazy.

Sarah knew Dan was trying to push her buttons. She also knew the thought of being listened to did turn her on like crazy last night before. His kisses on her neck were getting her all worked up again. She decided to turn the tables and whisper in Dean's (so Dan was once a Dean, lol) ear "Or maybe it was knowing that I was pleasuring two guys at once."

So for me up to about chapter 7, this was about a lack of awareness/knowledge of the lifestyle and I don't think it was purposeful on either of their parts to endanger their marriage.

But the event's just tragically snowball into lust and rushing into the new experiences (for both of them) without thinking, talking and evaluating the cost/benefit ratio.

But I would put forth for your consideration, that there is a difference between cuck-type sexual humiliation in the moment, and outright disrespect.
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However, locking Dan out of the bedroom, giving Dan the wrong room key/number at the hotel, inviting a 3rd into the situation (in that same hotel room) to fuck Sarah without either of them knowing - this is blatant disrespect. In fact, I believe these situations not only represent disrespect, I believe they are dangerous.

I believe that there can be a difference for some, but I also understand that for others in or out of a sexual framing they are one and the same. People are wired differently. I once dated a woman where caffeine acted as a depressant and alcohol acted as a stimulant for her system, as an example. And once you get into the psychological realm and the differences just multiplies.
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Using that thought process on TA, I don't think that Lester's disrespect is sexual at all for him. He may derive some satisfaction from it, but what it boils down to is contempt. He doesn't disrespect Dan, he despises him, and like you said I think that's far more dangerous.

Lester is an ego-centric, arrogant, narcissistic asshole. He lusts for Sarah, he envy's Dan and he put a plan in place to destroy him. And after 34 chapters he's just about achieved his goals. He manipulated Dan's kinks, he's psychologically conditioned Sarah with sex and monetary stability and mind fucked Dan to the point we see he is on the verge of a mental breakdown. The only thing left for Lester to finally make Dan's mind melt is getting Sarah to willingly get pregnant and keep Lester's child(ren). Chapter 35 will inform us how how this story will end.

And this has happened, because (like you've stated) the couple didn't discuss the fantasy, discuss limits and ultimately ignored the warning signs of each other's addictive behavior.

 

[Verisimilinude]

Now, at the latest, after the defilement and contamination of the children's room by the ‘cock-driven, wanton slut’ Sarah and the ‘perverted dirty pig’ Lester, Dan should show some reaction.
This should consist of summoning the son of a bitch Lester to his home, properly castrating him, polishing his face so that he no longer knows whether he is male or female, kicking him in the arse and throwing him out of the house.
(Of course, this will only be the case if the author, Mister DS, does not continue to restrict him in his actions and function in order to erase his individuality and break his will.)
And if his ‘slut of a wife’, Sarah, makes any move to protect that filthy bastard Lester, he should kick her out too, because she has long deserved to be held accountable.

Where the CHILDEREN are concerned, all fun, reason and patience cease, because their protection and well-being come first.
Time for ‘Death Wish’ à la Charles Bronson!

-- PC

PC you may want to brace yourself for an ending you won't like. As I see it Dan has a few logical paths (based on how his character has been written):

1) Once he mentally snaps he goes into flight mode and walks out the door and leaves everything behind.
2) He goes into fight mode and is consumed with a murderous rage that leaves him rotting in prison.
3) He accepts his new reality and embraces his cuckold traits and his new role in this throuple.

Now if you add Lester's goals to the mix (he wants Dan out of the picture), then it becomes obvious the only path for Dan is to walk away. I think he loves Sarah and I think he could forgive her almost anything, the deciding factor will be the pregnancy. I think for Dan this is the line in the sand he can't cross. You can already see him cracking when he heard Sarah say she loved Lester.

I tried to find other logical paths, maybe someone else can see something I don't. Having stated those conclusions, DS has surprised me (I certainly didn't see the throuple coming) and maybe he finds a different ending.

 

[Verisimilinude]

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Interesting story. If only Dan had said this at any point during the last 34 chapters:
"Yes I would, and it's no longer my fantasy, but yours (as well). Please (Sarah), I love you but we've taken this kinky behavior way too far. Let's dial it back and enjoy our life together."

 

[Bad Boy Billy]

swewx said:
Right now I wouid go for Tainted Conception. I think there's more potential than TA. It's not messed up like TA, yet. lol
And, there are a lot of good erotic stories on literotica, ravishu.com, storiesonline.net, blacktowhite.net, slutwives.com, even bdsmlibrary.com, etc., for every taste.
Has anyone tried "

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" by DocSexaday or "

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" by expatdad? They are incomplete stories, but I think it's worth the time to take a look.



Wow!!!
I've just finished counting to 1000.
Man, you have issues you should go to a shrink to get your brain reset.
Where the hell you read something about "these stories" being better (or not) than Toxic Attraction or any other??
Maybe I made a mistake being so short on my suggestion. I just never thought someone could get me so wrong.
When talking about Don's work you only see "cuckold" stories, and his predilection for submissive husbands, lovesick wives and dirty, ugly old men.
And almost everyone sees his predilection for money rather than for a story that makes sense from start to finish.

With all due respect (Hell, I love saying this... lol), be more polite when talking about what other people think or like.
See "dewil666" reply to my post. He doesn't like docsexaday way of writing and thinks expatdad is ok, but he was kind enough to state his choices without being rude.

If you'd taken the time to ask me why, I'd probably have told you to pay attention to the ideas and storyline of those writers, and maybe we'd have had a nice chat about how they would have been better off with a talented writer like Don.

About my all time favorites: "Parker" "Storymaster" "The Cryptkeeper" asstr.xyz, "Powerone"

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are some of them. They're all different, but each one has its own appeal.

Be good!

He's a very good author
But he is missing so many real truths
That can't be fuckin accepted
Fantasy shit
Anyway he is a very good author I wish I could verbalize that, but I can't
Just to many mistakes of real life
It just to me makes it really silly
Good luck no reality
Reality is crucial it's truly painful if dark
This is a not credible

 

[Bad Boy Billy]

I like this bro
As a author very good
But from my knowledge of fraternity life, and making contracts with the societies Belle, it's not true
Just wish he didn't make Lester such a fat fuck, it could have been a cool story
It's a tipping point that would of been fun
Dark is true
This is not
But a great premise
It's lost tract
Shit I wanted a fuckin cool challenge story
The author should have moved on
Soory

 

[bluepixiegurl316]

I remember when there were red flags in Dan's mind about his emails being edited, his computer being hacked, then the hospital being hacked, Lester's computer background and some private security firm was investigating things.

How long ago was that?

 

[DarkStutzel]

Interesting story. If only Dan had said this at any point during the last 34 chapters:
"Yes I would, and it's no longer my fantasy, but yours (as well). Please (Sarah), I love you but we've taken this kinky behavior way too far. Let's dial it back and enjoy our life together."

Unfortunately, I don't see that being possible. Sarah is unemployed and addicted to sex with Lester (the arrangement is fine for her), and Dan is on the verge of bankruptcy. To escape Lester's trap, he'll either have to earn a lot of money and put his family back on the safe side, or he'll have to separate from Sarah and end his torment. Sarah and Dan haven't been intimate for a long time. I think Chapter 35 is the most anticipated, with many possibilities open. Will we see an argument between the couple? I hope Don can insert a quick thought into Dan (when it all started and where he is now, so we can get a sense of how much time has passed).